Johna was angry for God sparing the wicked,
Which is abusing Gods sovereignty yes I agree very much.
Thankyou brother
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Which is abusing Gods sovereignty yes I agree very much.
Thankyou brother
Mr. Genez, sir, (and by extension all other FWers are welcomed to jump in) your favorite "gangsta" iggy persona is here with a huge theological question for you re your recent comments about God's grace and how it's is often associated with divine power -- a view that I'm in agreement with, along with additional definitions of "grace" as well. But first let's look at a passage that forms the basis to this big, important question.
Eph 1:15-23
15 For this reason, because I have heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love toward all the saints, 16 I do not cease to give thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers, 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, 18 having the eyes of your hearts enlightened, that you may know what is the hope to which he has called you, what are the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, 19 and what is the immeasurable greatness of his power toward us who believe, according to the working of his great might 20 that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. 22 And he put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all.
ESV
According to this passage, the grace/power that God has bestowed upon Christ's Body (elect) is the very same power that God exerted upon the the Body's Head when God raised Him up from his tomb. To any critical thinker here the problem that FWT and its categorical rejection of the Doctrine of Irresistible Grace would soon become very obvious. If the Head really did physically rise up from the dead by the very same power that God exerts on behalf His Body, then how is it possible that there's no efficacy in that grace/power for the Body of Christ? FWers unwittingly commit intellectual and theological hari-kari when they deny the efficacy of God's grace! For if His grace/power is not the ultimate determinant for salvation for the Body due to lack of efficacy, then Jesus could not have been raised from the dead by that very same power! By FWers denying the efficacy of God's saving power to His saints, they tacitly deny the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead! And can any denier of Christ's resurrection be saved!?
So...Mr. Genez, and all you other FWers, here's your Mission Impossible if you dare accept it: Get busy to find a creative way out of this logical and theological dilemma. Put your sweat shirts and pants and workout vigorously so that you can perform great feats of mental gymnastics.
Eph 1:15-23
15 For this reason, because I have heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love toward all the saints, 16 I do not cease to give thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers, 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, 18 having the eyes of your hearts enlightened, that you may know what is the hope to which he has called you, what are the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, 19 and what is the immeasurable greatness of his power toward us who believe, according to the working of his great might 20 that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. 22 And he put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all.
ESV
According to this passage, the grace/power that God has bestowed upon Christ's Body (elect) is the very same power that God exerted upon the the Body's Head when God raised Him up from his tomb. To any critical thinker here the problem that FWT and its categorical rejection of the Doctrine of Irresistible Grace would soon become very obvious. If the Head really did physically rise up from the dead by the very same power that God exerts on behalf His Body, then how is it possible that there's no efficacy in that grace/power for the Body of Christ? FWers unwittingly commit intellectual and theological hari-kari when they deny the efficacy of God's grace! For if His grace/power is not the ultimate determinant for salvation for the Body due to lack of efficacy, then Jesus could not have been raised from the dead by that very same power! By FWers denying the efficacy of God's saving power to His saints, they tacitly deny the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead! And can any denier of Christ's resurrection be saved!?
So...Mr. Genez, and all you other FWers, here's your Mission Impossible if you dare accept it: Get busy to find a creative way out of this logical and theological dilemma. Put your sweat shirts and pants and workout vigorously so that you can perform great feats of mental gymnastics.
Speaking of "rent free", why don't you rent (for free) Chronisters lectures and actually learn what the Bible actually says?
Until then you determinists will persist to continue on a forever losing streak of your own making. Too bad so sad.
The raising of Jonah was a "type".......
I am not arguing over that aspect.
Jesus said... "I am the resurrection."
Jesus is the only one at present who has been resurrected.
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life.
The one who believes in me will live, even though they die;
and whoever lives by believing in me will never die.”
Some here might need to know that.
Many have yet to understand the difference between resurrection and resuscitation.
grace and peace .........
Drop the Free Will garbage.
You do not understand it, and as a result keep throwing us in a garbage can each time you use the term.
But the Hebrew and passed down to generations preached that Jonah physically died and was dead in the fish. I tend to believe that sentiment based upon the Numerical Values of the specific words that the Holy Ghost inspired to be said and that Jonah personally conveyed. It's not a life or death scenario based upon how one believes this passage of Scripture to mean but I prefer the Hebrew meaning.
That is an assumed Hebrew meaning.
Look at what they assume about Isaiah 53 for example.
Again... amongst Jews, it is a "preferred" meaning.
But, wrong.
Nice Twist and I agree with the comical anecdotal view.Johna was angry for God sparing the wicked,
Which is abusing Gods sovereignty yes I agree very much.
Thankyou brother
But Jonah does give us a more truer and clearer understanding of who God is so we're able to compare that to any idea presented.
Let's call it a "raising". Like Lazarus. Jonah was raised (to service) and died again. Needs (and needed) no explanation it's obviously not the resurrection to eternal life.
You'd be surprised.
I mentioned that to a Catholic priest, and it was new to him.
Many do not know that being raised from the dead that took place after Jesus was resurrected all died later on.
They were not resurrected. That will happen in the Rapture.
Just define it and understand what one is saying....
Well if your the bear who can handle the stings, you need to be aware
well when you stare up a hornets nest, that's what happens
Was Jonah dead first, then inside the fish?
Jonah 2:1
From inside the fish, Jonah prayed to the Lord his God.
Jonah 2:1
From inside the fish, Jonah prayed to the Lord his God.
Sure. But Jonah died later. I thought a lengthy explanation unnecessary.
But yea....."raising" is a much better fit for Jonah.
It is recommended we read something else to see what the Bible says? I prefer the Bible myself.
Perhaps this is why cv5 does not recognize what the Bible actually says.
Oh...since when aren't you a believer in man's libertarian-style freewill that can outperform God's freewill any day of the week? Would you prefer to be called an Arminian or a Pelagian instead?
Oh...since when aren't you a believer in man's libertarian-style freewill that can outperform God's freewill any day of the week? Would you prefer to be called an Arminian or a Pelagian instead?
You have got a label-fetish.
You freely choose to believe what you do, don't you?