Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[kqr_anointed]

Do you not know what a concordance is?

i think i know but i never use it

 

[Magenta]

i think i know but i never use it

Strong's Concordance provides an index to the Bible. This allows the reader to find words where they appear
in the Bible. It also lets the reader directly compare how the same word may be used elsewhere in the Bible.

Strong's numbers
Each original-language word (Hebrew or Greek) is given an entry number in the dictionary of those original language words listed in the back of the concordance. These have become known as the "Strong's numbers". The main concordance lists each word that appears in the KJV Bible in alphabetical order with each verse in which it appears listed in order of its appearance in the Bible, with a snippet of the surrounding text (including the word in italics). Appearing to the right of the scripture reference is the Strong's number. This allows the user of the concordance to look up the meaning of the original language word in the associated dictionary in the back, thereby showing how the original language word was translated into the English word in the KJV Bible.

Strong's Concordance includes:

• The 8,674 Hebrew root words used in the Old Testament. (Example: אֱנוֹשׁ (H582))
• The 5,624 Greek root words used in the New Testament. (Example: λόγος (G3056))

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[Magenta]

your writing seemed strange

The "writing" I provided proved Adam did not die when God put him in
a deep sleep, neither did Abraham die when God put him in a deep sleep.
(Nor was Jonah said to be asleep at any time while in the belly of the fish.)

People are making up all kinds of stuff and saying it is what the Bible means when it is not what the Bible teaches at all.

The fact that people are doing this is concerning... and even disturbing.

Some resort to blaspheming God rather than admit any error.

Do you want such people as teachers? Spreading error and refusing correction?

Free will falls into this category. All of it. The Bible does not teach that man's will is free. Quite the contrary.

John 14 v 17a, Romans 8 v 6-9 ~ “Inability” in Bible. The world cannot receive the Spirit of truth. The mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Those controlled by the flesh cannot please God. You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. Praise be to God for calling me out of the world.

 

[Magenta]

Despite what the un-Biblical free will doctrine promoters put forth, the natural man does not have everything he needs in order to grow the good fruit of faith from the stony ground of his incurably wicked heart which is opposed to the things of God, and he cannot change himself, being a lover of darkness who suppresses the truth in unrighteousness as a slave to sin, being inherently hostile in his mind toward God, and blinded to the truth while under the power of the evil one. Those who promote the free will of the natural man reject a plethora of Biblical truths. Praise God if Jesus has set you free!

 

[Magenta]

"Free will" in the Bible? ~ Freedom is something believers are called to (Galatians 5 verse 13). We need Jesus to “set us free” (Galatians 5 verse 1). If Jesus has not freed us from the bondage of sin, then we are still slaves to sin (Romans 6 verses 6-7). Freedom is found in the presence of the Spirit (2 Corinthians 3 verse 17). Only Jesus can give us true freedom (John 8 verse 36). Only through His lovingkindness can we truly make choices unfettered by a nature that is inherently hostile toward God.

 

[cv5]

Nowhere is Jonah said to have slept while in the belly of the fish.

You can't have a finer coroners report than this one.....

Mat 12:40 - For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

 

[Magenta]

You can't have a finer coroners report than this one.....

Mat 12:40 - For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Sleep is still not mentioned.

 

[cv5]

The "writing" I provided proved Adam did not die when God put him in
a deep sleep, neither did Abraham die when God put him in a deep sleep.
(Nor was Jonah said to be asleep at any time while in the belly of the fish.)

People are making up all kinds of stuff and saying it is what the Bible means when it is not what the Bible teaches at all.

The fact that people are doing this is concerning... and even disturbing.

Some resort to blaspheming God rather than admit any error.

Do you want such people as teachers? Spreading error and refusing correction?

Free will falls into this category. All of it. The Bible does not teach that man's will is free. Quite the contrary.

You aren't going to like the sound of this but your extraordinary biblical illiteracy is on display 24/7.

Seriously......you need help. @Cameron143 is in bad shape too.
@Rufus buddy...... critical condition.

Some free advice: dispose of your Augustinian and Calvinistic baggage in the dumpster and literally start over from scratch.

 

[cv5]

Sleep is still not mentioned.

Dead is mentioned. Actually dead is confirmed.

 

[Magenta]

Dead is mentioned. Actually dead is confirmed.

I proved sleep did not mean dead in the instances post gave.

Nor does Jonah's account say he was sleeping to denote death.

You are way off as usual.

So it is your extraordinary biblical illiteracy that is on display.

But I am well aware that you would rather blaspheme God than admit error.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

You are adding to what is stated in Genesis 3. And your addition contradicts that text. Adam was with Eve when they both encountered the serpent. And they were therefore together when they ate.

nope ... not adding to the text ... just because I do not believe Adam was with Eve when the serpent deceived Eve, that does not mean I am adding to the text.

The Fall
3 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”

2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”

4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

Look at who is conversing:

3 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”

2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”

4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman.

5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it ...


... she also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.


There is no indication in the record the Adam was with Eve when satan and Eve were conversing. Look at the bolded text ... the serpent spoke to Eve ... Eve spoke to the serpent.

I do not believe Adam was there. I do not believe Adam would have remained silent during the discussion. I believe Adam would have said something or done something to keep Eve from eating if Adam had been present.

The Father of Adam is God (Luke 3:38).

True. You referred to a passage that pertained to those who have both a mother and father.

If a son has only one parent (whether father or mother) ... does that negate the command?

The Lord Jesus Christ confirmed the command (Matt 19:5; Mark 10:7).

Paul confirmed the command (Eph 5:31).

Adam and Eve were one from the moment God made Eve from Adams rib. Adam did not leave his Father to be one with his wife.

Were they "one flesh" after Eve ate? Eve died the moment she ate. Adam ate and became one flesh with her after she had eaten.

Just because Adam did not have a mother, does that invalidate that Adam left his Father and joined his wife in her fallen state? When the Lord Jesus Christ took upon Himself the form of a servant and humbled Himself, He left His Father ... the same Father Who was the Father of Adam.

What about single mothers ... whose sons are to leave mom to join their wives? ... are they exempt from Gen 2:24 because there's no dad in the picture?

Or single fathers ... their sons don't leave dad because the mother is no longer in the picture?

I have a friend who lost his wife when his children were young. He never remarried and he raised his children ... when his son married, the son was exempt from Gen 2:24?

Not applicable to what is being discussed in Genesis 3.

sure it is ... if you would give serious consideration rather than rejecting out of hand, it just might become apparent that they were no longer "one flesh" after Eve had eaten.

When Adam ate the fruit, he chose to remain united with Eve rather than separate from her due to her transgression.

If , as you say, Adam was not with Eve when she encountered the serpent and ate of the tree, why would Adam be guilty of Sinning too?

Because Adam ate of the tree which God commanded him not to eat after he "hearkened unto the voice of his wife".

Genesis 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life

Eve would have brought Adam the fruit she took from the forbidden tree if Adam wasn't with her when she met the serpent .

We do not know if Eve brought the fruit to Adam or if Adam found Eve after she had eaten.

All we know is that Adam hearkened unto the voice of his wife and ate the fruit she gave him.

When there were many trees in the garden of Eden, how would Adam then know the fruit she offered was the forbidden fruit? And then be guilty of Sin because he ate of it if Adam did not know the fruit she had with her was that what God told him not to eat?

why would you assume that Adam did not know the fruit was from the tree of knowledge of good and evil?

Scripture is clear that Adam was not deceived (1 Tim 2:14) ... and that Adam ate the fruit (Gen 3:6).

I have already told you Adam was with Eve when she gave him the fruit and that Adam ate after Eve ate.

I posted Genesis 3.
You said Adam was not with Eve when she met the serpent.

right ... Adam joined Eve after she ate ... or Eve joined Adam after she ate.

Bottomline ... when Eve gave the fruit to Adam, they were together. That does not mean Adam was there when the serpent beguiled Eve.
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[Magenta]

Flesh serves the law of sin, for the flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are opposed to each other. But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ! Because everyone born of God overcomes the world. In the mixed up unBiblical theology, of the free will crowd, man overcomes the world with his wicked heart and is then born again.

 

[Jordon]

The "writing" I provided proved Adam did not die when God put him in
a deep sleep, neither did Abraham die when God put him in a deep sleep.
(Nor was Jonah said to be asleep at any time while in the belly of the fish.)

People are making up all kinds of stuff and saying it is what the Bible means when it is not what the Bible teaches at all.

The fact that people are doing this is concerning... and even disturbing.

Some resort to blaspheming God rather than admit any error.

Do you want such people as teachers? Spreading error and refusing correction?

Free will falls into this category. All of it. The Bible does not teach that man's will is free. Quite the contrary.

John 14 v 17a, Romans 8 v 6-9 ~ “Inability” in Bible. The world cannot receive the Spirit of truth. The mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Those controlled by the flesh cannot please God. You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. Praise be to God for calling me out of the world.

It would probably be better if you just said the whale coughed him up because he couldn't kill him,
I've heard it said before they see Johna a Christ type to because he was in the whale for three days.

The only Good thing about all this, that I can see Is God still loved Johna to just, as just like Adam Johna disobeyed,
I could say more but I only wanted to say, I hope our lovely great mum of saints is doing well today, and you keep that nice tolerant spirit going, as there trying everything they can to get you to react, all you'll do if you do is give them ammunition to fire at you if you do ,this you probably already know that , it quite clear there in denial

Have a lovely day sis

 

[GWH]

lol you see your off again, ok I know, the law is holy
And so is the jaw.

I see you are not interested in serious discussion.
Okay, happy trails!

 

[Jordon]

I see you are not interested in serious discussion.
Okay, happy trails!

if that was an invitation, I guess I should consider, but I'm thinking it may have been but im not sure with you, and my guard goes up when people just repeat expressions of faith, then not even acknowledging its the lord faith there expressing, especially when it comes to saying all they have to do is believe, as they can't believe by themselves,


But it Diffacult to know really if it was an invitation.
The other thing is I have a hard time talking with people who can't accept God can go against there will, it's not that I have a hard time, it's just that it becomes a consuming one.

 

[Cameron143]

You aren't going to like the sound of this but your extraordinary biblical illiteracy is on display 24/7.

Seriously......you need help. @Cameron143 is in bad shape too.
@Rufus buddy...... critical condition.

Some free advice: dispose of your Augustinian and Calvinistic baggage in the dumpster and literally start over from scratch.

Still living rent free in your head.

 

[cv5]

I proved sleep did not mean dead in the instances post gave.

Nor does Jonah's account say he was sleeping to denote death.

You are way off as usual.

So it is your extraordinary biblical illiteracy that is on display.

But I am well aware that you would rather blaspheme God than admit error.

You aren't biblically illiterate because you didn't know that Matt 12:40 proves conclusively that Jonah was three days dead as a doornail in the great fish?

I beg to differ.....

 

[HeIsHere]

You aren't biblically illiterate because you didn't know that Matt 12:40 proves conclusively that Jonah was three days dead as a doornail in the great fish?

I beg to differ.....

So then is this prayer was made as he anticipated his death inside the fish?
That would make sense to me, him dying but then God bringing him back to life.

Jonah 2:1-9

 

[Magenta]

So then is this prayer was made as he anticipated his death inside the fish?
That would make sense to me, him dying but then God bringing him back to life.

Jonah 2:1-9

All these rabbit holes trying to obscure the fact that the Bible does not say Jonah slept within the whale.

 

[Magenta]

It would probably be better if you just said the whale coughed him up because he couldn't kill him,
I've heard it said before they see Johna a Christ type to because he was in the whale for three days.

The only Good thing about all this, that I can see Is God still loved Johna to just, as just like Adam Johna disobeyed,
I could say more but I only wanted to say, I hope our lovely great mum of saints is doing well today, and you keep that nice tolerant spirit going, as there trying everything they can to get you to react, all you'll do if you do is give them ammunition to fire at you if you do ,this you probably already know that , it quite clear there in denial

Have a lovely day sis

Thank you Jordon, and good day. It is just amazing to me all these distortions of Scripture that are being flung around by people refusing to admit what is plainly written. Or they say, we cannot know (because the Bible does not say) and then insist it could only have happened the way they imagine. LOL. And what they imagine denies what the Scripture verse explicitly articulates. Yes. A bit mind boggling. They contradict themselves all over the place, but this is something I have noticed about people in error, and commented on before. And I believe we saw the height of the general lack of logic among FWers when one said God convinced them of the Truth, and then they got to decide if they believed it or not... because logic dictates, when one is convinced, they already do believe.

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con·vinced
/kənˈvin(t)st/
adjective
adjective: convinced

completely certain about something.

firm in one's belief with regard to a particular cause or issue.