No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

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Obeying/Believing comes from God. Man by nature is dead to God and have a nature of disobedience Eph 2:1-3

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

By nature we are disobedient and worthy of wrath, cannot obey

“By nature we are disobedient and worthy of wrath, cannot obey”

“What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey;

whether of sin unto death,

or of obedience unto righteousness? But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, ( because you used to yield to sin and serve it and obey it like he’s just explained ) but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin,

ye became the servants of righteousness.”( because you yielded to it obeying the gospel like he just explained )
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:15-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

as long as you guys are convinced you can’t obey the gospel you’ll never really understand Paul’s doctrine or what he was actually teaching in his letters which was all to accomplish your obedience to the gospel in word and deed.

“I have therefore whereof I may glory through Jesus Christ in those things which pertain to God. For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ hath not wrought by me, to make the Gentiles obedient, by word and deed,”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭15:17-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬


the gospel is telling you what to believe and do so you will be saved by Gods word and promise. It’s the lord teaching humanity who he is who they are and how they can have everlasting life in Jesus Christ his son . Anyone can believe the gospel and be saved of thier own volition . Gods part os the gospel and sending out his witnesses establishing it in earth so that anyone can hear about Jesus if they choose to .

this is in our future not just believers either every human

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10KJV‬‬

He’s not going to judge people based on whether they were born a regular normal human bieng or not but what they did and said while they were in earth.

We reject that essential truth and create other things where nonone os able to choose good or evil… no one can hear the gospel and choose to believe and hold on to it and be saved … nonone can choose to be baptized in his name for remission of thier sins because they believe what he said about salvation …the Bible teaches man accountability because we not only can choose between good and evil but we must choose between good and evil because they partook of that knowledge and became as gods knowing both good and evil



“But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”

To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:5-11‬ ‭NIV‬‬

This is true my friend you should consider how many times it’s stated in how many different places it’s there to open your eyes because the problem isn’t that we’re dead or incapable but sin has people in a slumber and has them totally deceived thinking they can’t even obey thier own Lords simple words that promise salvation

Really God has shouted in the gospel to all humanity choose Jesus , choose life but I guess if they’ve been conviced they can’t choose to acknowledge and serve the lord ….and think if they did have to choose good and not evil then we’ll they’ve stolen the glory and credit from god . I think it’s not a good idea but I’m just someone with a different idea so lol no worries

maybe they’ve found some other secret revelation . the Bible I read sometimes teaches a pretty straight forward judgement and it’s never because the people were made incapable or weren’t chosen by god or favored ….. it’s because they did evil rather than good and cursed and judged others rather than bless and forgive them they served evil in thier lives and not good

“ incapability “ doctrine will never help a sinner repent . telling people “ your either chosen by god or you aren’t “ will never help anyone actually know the lord . Telling them what the Bible teaches about overcoming sins dominion might help though
 
You cant resist Gods Power, that would make you greater than God
You can resist and succeed or resist and fail - 'resist' does not automatically mean success.

It can be properly said that you can resist God's Power - but, you will fail.

Also, it is not God's Power that is being resisted in a freewill scenario.
 
Okay - I guess I missed something somewhere - my post #123 was a direct response to post #117 - which I thought was being made as a broad general statement about resisting the power of God while still alive in the body.
 
You cant resist Gods Power, that would make you greater than God
You are saved with God living inside you who wants you to stop sinning and you are able to stop because you are a NEW CREATION but you still sin every day. Does that make you greater than God?
 
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Jn 6:44

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

No man can come here means no man has the ability to come to Christ. That cancels out the myth that man has a freewill,

It also means that no man has the ability to believe on Christ for Salvation. Because Christ equates believing on Him with coming to Him. Jn 6:64-65

64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.


What about those Jesus says to them Jn 5:40

40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Thats answered in Jn 6:44 they simply will not come because they cannot come unless the Power of God draws them and makes them willing

Ps 110:3

3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.

If and when one comes to believe on Christ willingly, the credit goes to Gods Power !
So you quoted the Bible. I don’t guess you can give us any insight as to why you chose this all of the sudden?
 
You are saved with God living inside you who wants you to stop sinning and you are able to stop because you are a NEW CREATION but you still sin every day. Does that make you greater than God?
This is about no man has the freewill ability to believe in Jesus Christ. Jn 6:44
 
No, this is about harmonizing your interpretation of John 6:44 with John 3:16, 1Tim. 2:3-4, Rom. 3:21-5:1, 2Pet. 3:9, Tit. 2:11, etc.
This is about no man has the freewill ability to believe in Jesus Christ. Jn 6:44,65
 
John 6:44 (ESV)
44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.

helkō (draw)

  1. to draw, drag off
  2. metaph., to draw by inward power, lead, impe
[Jhn 17:2-3 KJV]
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
 
False, for the drawing is regeneration in which man is passive and given new spiritual life and nature. He is saved

No the drawing is changing your hardened heart to a flesh heart to accept the gospel so you have the right faith inbirthed in you and then you accept God graced gift of Salvation through the saving faith that you get from reading and hearing the Scripture ---without Saving Faith you cannot be saved ---Period ---

Ezeckiel 36:26

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Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you, and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
 
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Then you don't believe God's Word who is Jesus ---so if you don't believe God's word who is Jesus then you don't believe in Jesus -----and if you don't believe in Jesus then you don't believe in God the Father cause Jesus and God the Farther are ONE ____and then you don't believe in the Holy Spirit as well _so your SOL for heaven my friend -----

Good luck with your False Doctrine -------:devilish:

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