God didn't curse him. Adam cursed himself by knowing evil which separated him from God, ie, spiritual death
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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God didn't curse him. Adam cursed himself by knowing evil which separated him from God, ie, spiritual death
What do you think the evil he came to know was?
James 1 verses 14-15; 1 John 2 verse 16 Each one is tempted when by his own evil desires he is lured away and enticed. Then after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death. For all that is in the world- the desires of the flesh, the desires of the eyes, and the pride of life- is not from the Father but from the world. .
Adam was not cursed, period.
Satan was cursed, the ground was cursed for our sake, and Adam and Eve, who confessed their sin and believed the gospel, were given salvation in the mercy of God.
@rogerg
pardon me for being captain obvious here, but...
- why does it say "believe and you will be saved" instead of "be saved and you will believe"???
- why does he ask how to be saved instead of asking how to believe?
faaaaar out, man.
No problem
Kind of a complicated answer but I'll give it a shot under the assumption you'll stay interested through it
I'll start with a question: why do you think that "believe" is in one tense and "will be saved" is in a different tense if believing
saves?
[Gen 2:17 KJV] 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
The discussion is about did God create man able to seek Him and Acts tells us yes God made man able to seek Him.
Not sure why the other things are mentioned it's a simple yes or no question and yes God created man able to seek Him.
@posthuman
I should have included v19 in my prior post too
Adam was taken from the ground and in death he was returned to the ground
[Gen 3:19 KJV]
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou [art], and unto dust shalt thou return.
Adam was taken from the ground and returned to the ground, so the curse of the ground applied to him also. The curse of the ground
encompassed Adam - those not of the ground do not die - everything from/of the ground, dies.
I should have included v19 in my prior post too
Adam was taken from the ground and in death he was returned to the ground
[Gen 3:19 KJV]
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou [art], and unto dust shalt thou return.
Adam was taken from the ground and returned to the ground, so the curse of the ground applied to him also. The curse of the ground
encompassed Adam - those not of the ground do not die - everything from/of the ground, dies.
Acts 17 does not say that man seeks after God. It does say that God has acted in ways that should cause man to seek after Him, but it never says man can or will do so. If man was inclined to seek after God, why does God need to draw them?
The Bible very plainly and clearly states that man does not seek for God.
I really wonder why these so-called seasoned Christians need such rudimentary facts pointed out to them.
What is it that causes them to outright reject what the Bible very explicitly articulates? .
Have they been taken captive by some philosophy and empty deception, which are
based on human tradition and the spiritual forces of the world rather than on Christ?
I actually do believe they have been.
Colossians 2 v 8, Romans 16 v 18, Romans 10 v 2, Proverbs 19 v 2a ~ See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, which are based on human tradition and the spiritual forces of the world rather than on Christ. For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. For I testify about them that they are zealous for God, but not on the basis of knowledge. Zeal is no good without knowledge. They teach as doctrine the precepts of men.
@lrs68
Plus, being spiritually dead until being saved/born again, man can't seek God. That is why God had to do it all in Eph 2:1 &5, man contributed nothing - he was dead and the dead can't "seek".
"No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him." John 6 verse 44 The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2 verse 14 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God. Romans 8 verse 7-8
Actually if we were to read the Scroll that Luke wrote Acts this would read like this, the correct true way:
And God hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; That they should seek the Lord.
I know they're spiritually dead. I am just pointing out how Luke wrote Acts inspired by the Holy Ghost.
Man is born with all he needs to come to faith, we have been told. God not required. No divine intervention necessary at all even though Jesus disagrees. But we know this about FWers: they contradict a slew of Scriptures including the very words of Jesus Christ our Lord.