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Because the devil is at work

Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by strength, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts. Zechariah 4:6


We can agree the devil is at work, we just don't agree on who the devil is. At least I don't think we do. Too many pages here to sort out who believes what. I don't believe Israel is the devil or enemy.
 
We can agree the devil is at work, we just don't agree on who the devil is. At least I don't think we do. Too many pages here to sort out who believes what. I don't believe Israel is the devil or enemy.

Neither modern Israel nor Hamas is the devil, but they are both doing his work. They are both relying on the strength and power of military arms and neither is relying on God's spirit.
 
It certainly beats trying to match world events to scripture over and over again and looking like fools to the world.

Yes it does but I still believe God is gathering and his promise is still valid. The how and why's are still in the waiting.
Setting the stage for the end times has definitely effected the whole world. And has drawn strong criticism for and against but we as Abraham’s seed are called promote peace and unity. A 2 state solution is not a option. Hamas cannot go on ignored along with any other terrorist groups. The Palestinians have a choice to make remain supporting a terrorist regime as a government of the peple or go under Arab or Israeli occupation. As for those who promote there extremism who war to dominate must be ment with war to eradicate.
Israel is holding the first line of defence but if we cowdown to the obvious for the sake of a diplomatic peace we will prove how foolish we are as history has dictated.
 
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Neither modern Israel nor Hamas is the devil, but they are both doing his work. They are both relying on the strength and power of military arms and neither is relying on God's spirit.

That's the difference then. I believe Hamas are terrorists. Israel is defending their right to live in peace. But this is moving forward now with a purpose. By the end of whatever time Trump gives them, Hamas has a decision to make. I'm very interested to see what happens from here.
 
I just sighed when I read this. I know what I hope for. But with past history, these peace deals don't usually last.

If there is peace, do you think it would be unprecedented? Like, will people say "Wow, there really IS peace their. Finally."
 
If there is peace, do you think it would be unprecedented? Like, will people say "Wow, there really IS peace their. Finally."

Well there hasn't been peace in the area for how many years? I think if peace were to happen, any lasting peace, people would say "Finally there is peace". I personally don't believe there will be peace that lasts until Christ returns.
 
Well there hasn't been peace in the area for how many years? I think if peace were to happen, any lasting peace, people would say "Finally there is peace". I personally don't believe there will be peace that lasts until Christ returns.

Sure.

It might be enough that people say "Finally! Peace!" though. In which case we should be looking for a significant event:

"For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape."
 
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The True Israel of God, the Church, Paul calls them the circumcision , which is another name for Israel Phil 3:3

3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

Paul was writing to the Church at Philipi Phil 1:1

Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:

In fact, all the Saints in Christ Jesus are the circumcision, which worship God in the Spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus. Circumcision here is not physical, what the jews practiced under the Old Covenant, no it has noting to do with that. Its the circumcision of the heart Rom 2:29

But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

What's been stated here is the New Birth, Gal 6:15

For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

The circumcision of Christ Col 2:11

In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

This is the Church, Spiritual Israel, Christs seed ! 7
 
The US is moving a lot of aircraft to the mideast. I'm pretty sure it's not to protect Greta's flotilla


🚨Undercover Agent Infiltrates Greta Thunberg Flotilla, This Is What She Found!

Undercover reporter shows that this group is not a human rights group but a resistance organization working on the PR for Hamas.
 
Sure.

It might be enough that people say "Finally! Peace!" though. In which case we should be looking for a significant event:

"For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape."

Peace and safety is a reference to the Pax Romana.
 
If everyone is saying "Peace and Security" and then we get "Sudden Destruction" this is a reference to betrayal similar to Pearl Harbor attack.

Satan is a liar and this is how Antichrist will begin his reign, as a big fat liar, thief and murderer. Expect Pearl Harbor 2.0, it is bigger, better bombs, better explosions, more terrifying. This is the sequel we have been waiting decades for.
 
Peace and safety is a reference to the Pax Romana.

Pax Romana was one iteration of fulfillment. There have been numerous others through-out history. This age will culminate a world-wide celebration followed by world-wide destruction.
 
Pax Romana was one iteration of fulfillment. There have been numerous others through-out history. This age will culminate a world-wide celebration followed by world-wide destruction.

I see one fulfillment, it will never line up again as perfectly as it did in the first century.
 
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I see one fulfillment, it will never line up again as perfectly as it did in the first century.

Really? With all the "Peace Accords", the UN, and world-wide media coverage today?

"It will never line up again..." Yes it will. And the 1st Century iteration provides the pattern we are to recognize when it does. That culmination is set against a "Day of the Lord".

Ironically, the pieces are already in play for the next (and final?) iteration: Pax Romana was a peace secured by government intervention. Already we have the Trump Administration promising peace in the Middle East region as US troops are set to take up positions in Gaza and elsewhere.
 
We know that the Church is the antitype of old testament israel when we consider a comparison of 1 Pet 2:9 as the fulfillment of Ex 19:5

Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: and Deut 14:2

For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God, and the Lord hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.

1 Pet 2:9

But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Now the greek word for peculiar in 1 Pet 2 is the word περιποίησις and means:

  1. a preserving, a preservation
  2. possession, one's own property
  3. an obtaining

Now the word comes from the verb peripoieō which means:

  1. to make to remain over
  2. to reserve, to leave or keep safe, lay by
  3. to make to remain for one's self
  4. to preserve for one's self
  5. to get for one's self, purchase

Which word Paul uses for purchase here Acts 20:28

Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

So the Church of God is that peculiar people of God in 1 Pet 2:9 which fulfills the OT Type Israel In Exodus and Deut. For God only has One Peculiar people and that's through the Blood of Christ. 7
 
There are certain men crept in unawares

Jude 1:1, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called: 2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.

This word multiplied is interesting, in Acts the word of God multiplied, in Peter grace and peace is multiplied, and in Jude it is Mercy and Peace and Love that is multiplied. He is the brother of James, that is truly a unique thing to say at the start of an epistle. It is important that two brothers of Jesus, James and Jude, would give their testimonies, and both identify themselves as servants of Jesus Christ. Both identify Jesus as the Messiah and as part of the godhead.

This word "preserved"

τηρέω tēréō, tay-reh'-o; from τερός terós (a watch; perhaps akin to G2334); to guard (from loss or injury, properly, by keeping the eye upon; and thus differing from G5442, which is properly to prevent escaping; and from G2892, which implies a fortress or full military lines of apparatus), i.e. to note (a prophecy; figuratively, to fulfil a command); by implication, to detain (in custody; figuratively, to maintain); by extension, to withhold (for personal ends; figuratively, to keep unmarried); by extension, to withhold (for personal ends; figuratively, to keep unmarried):—hold fast, keep(- er), (pre-, re-)serve, watch.

Jesus is guarding us from loss or injury. He is keeping an eye on us to hold us fast, or preserve.

3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

James was the chief elder of the church in Jerusalem, Jude here is exhorting us to earnestly contend for the faith. He is like a coach. He is like the guy in your corner of the ring who between rounds is telling you what you need to do in this fight.

4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

And the first thing he wants to point out is something the enemy is doing that is very sneaky. A few years ago the parents of children in school were shocked to find pornography on the shelves of school libraries. You might assume that it was an oversight, a book slipped in by mistake. But when parents tried to get the books removed they were hit with stiff resistance, accused of being "book burners", etc. Some of these books were so disgusting that you were not allowed to read them at a school board meeting and yet they were even on shelves in elementary schools. However, instead of being ashamed they fought tooth and nail against organizations like Mom's for Liberty who wanted them removed. What was even more horrifying is that this was not a single school here or there, these books were "approved" by the NEA, National Education Association and were in school libraries across the country. These people had crept in unawares, and they were ordained for this condemnation. Their was a hidden agenda to inject pornography into schools at the youngest age. We also discovered that sex education was not what we had when we grew up. It was graphic with props to demonstrate the various things and it was often taught to coed classes making it even more awkward. It seemed like the curriculum was written by someone working for Playboy. What had started as a health class warning of various sexually transmitted diseases had turned into lasciviousness. They all had various strategies and theories on what the best way to address sex, but the one constant theme was a complete denial of Jesus Christ. Predictably pornography has become a major epidemic in this country and a much bigger business than professional sports. Broken families, single parent mothers, and poverty are all part of the wreckage of this as well as AIDS and abortion. Some have theorized that this is by design. If you can destroy the family then people will be more dependent on the state. It is interesting that in virtually every other country on the planet boys and girls in high school wear uniforms and go to separate boys school or girls school. It seems every other society realizes the risks of premarital sex and babies out of wedlock and has put up guard rails to protect against it. Only the Americans think they don't have to worry about this? High school uniforms for girls also makes it harder for the girls to be prostitutes, it is like a warning to all men to avoid this girl. Uniforms for both boys and girls makes it harder to be truant. The parents make sure the kids go to school in their uniforms and once school starts any cop can immediately spot a kid who is not in school. But apparently the Americans are not concerned with gangs enticing their kids away from school.

Satan understands, just like the Catholic church does, that if he can get the kids while they are kids he can hook them on pornography or gang violence from a young age and then he'll have them for life. Get a girl pregnant in school and few years later she'll have a bunch of kids and be on welfare. And our welfare system is also designed to encourage single parent moms as they would lose benefits if they got married. It has been very successful, 60+ million abortions, criminal gangs in the major cities, and a very large number of single mothers in poverty.

Jude says this was ordained of old. Yes, Balaam used the same strategy in counseling Balak on how to defeat Israel. In that story we discover that this fornication infested the Israelite camp. What Jude is telling us is that these men sneak into the church. It turns out they have, many churches in the US are 501c(3) charitable organizations that have a board of directors. Often FreeMasons will join the board, provide a lot of money to the church and then influence the church. They want to focus on growing the congregation. They do that by bringing in music and bands like Hillsong. The music industry for Christian popular songs is very big, very profitable, and often involves witchcraft and fornication. Also to grow the church they want the pastor to emphasize the "Once Saved Always Saved" doctrine that if you pray to receive the Lord you are saved. Is this true? Sure, you can make a very strong Biblical case. But think about salt, or sugar. Are they essential to your health? Sure. But junk food emphasizes them and eating too much salt and sugar is very bad for your health. The entire Bible is good for food, but because of this emphasis on "OSAS" you will find that pastors do not preach from the whole Bible. The sermons are often like processed food, white flour, too much salt and sugar, and not enough fresh ingredients. Processed food is when you cut out part of the food. The FreeMasons don't want you talking about prophecy, that is 25% of the Bible. They don't want you talking about the Antichrist or the end times. And they want every message to conclude with a message from our sponsor: "OSAS". The New Testament concludes with an exhortation to contend for the faith, these messages conclude with a message that you don't need to contend for the faith because once you are saved you are always saved.
 
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