Total depravity was a gnostic concept based on the belief that it was impossible for anything in the material world to do anything good. The earliest church fathers did not teach that, but taught that man was free to choose and do right and wrong.
Is it Total Depravity?
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Total depravity was a gnostic concept based on the belief that it was impossible for anything in the material world to do anything good. The earliest church fathers did not teach that, but taught that man was free to choose and do right and wrong.
believing and appealing to human emotions is not wise friend,.you just won't listen will you.
Your incredible determined to re write scripture on the bases of one understanding of totally depraved by the looks of it.
I mean to use the argument total depraved also includes new born babies, to say no one is worthy not one , is like so incredible silly because any parent wants to love there babies just like God does.
But babies will scream the house down if you don't love them. Its because there nature is not selfish free.
But one day the babies has to learn to love back, now some may do that correctly by the right bringing up and they may never even notice the change.
Some kids will stop themselves in there tracks when the prick in there conscience goes prick prick prick,
Total depravity is often misunderstood to mean that man is as depraved as he could possibly be. As the website https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/worse-than-we-think says:
"The modifier total in total depravity denotes that sin affects every facet of our nature. It does not mean that sinners are as bad as they possibly can be or that any one person is as bad as he possibly can be. Nor does it mean that fallen humans lack a conscience or that the world since the fall is entirely miserable and incapable of making any progress or appreciating the beauty evident all around. It means that no part of the personality is uncorrupted: the mind, the emotions, and so on. In William Shedd’s words, total depravity means “the entire absence of holiness, not the highest intensity of sin” (Dogmatic Theology, 2:257). "
Which means the vessel is entirely unclean. That doesn't mean it is incapable of doing anything good, but that it is unfit for use in God's house.
Well, sinners are enabled to repent as God intended but at some point they may become completely calloused per Matthew 13:14-15 and Acts 28:26-27, and anyone who commits apostasy or blasphemy is totally depraved/unredeemable per Hebrews 6:4-6.
God has given a way for love and mercy for us all to see and grab onto. the hard part is going through troubles here on earth, wanting to survive and giving up on other people and become selfish and harm others in the process. Why not I got harmed, so I have harmed others in past. Gotten harmed as well.
What a perplexity this life here on earth is, is it not?
I have went the route love others as I love myself, and have got harmed again in it, anyone else?
Then I saw all religion live by a golden rule, love your neighbor as yourself.Every religion says this in different words, yet love is the main thing in religion
The 2 command, not the first Command to love God Father of in risen Son frist, who truthfully love us all y'all
Anyone else note this, we are not seeking out Father of in risen Son first. we are trying to do what is done for us in Son ourselves!
As Father leads not me or anyone else and Father and Son are One to me thank you
Oh, yes, and not rewriting what you don't like to suit your preferences, and also not
directly contradicting what the Bible says and/or outright denying what is meant.
I have seen an awful lot of that in relation to this issue by those who promote free will.
Total depravity is an invention of John Calvin who misinterpreted what the bible says. The earliest church fathers, who Calvin ignored when he developed his theology, did not teach total depravity.
"Yes, John Calvin's theology, particularly regarding predestination and total depravity, diverges significantly from the views of the earliest Church Fathers, who generally upheld the concept of free will and human responsibility in accepting God's grace. Many scholars argue that Calvin did not fully engage with or acknowledge the writings of these early theologians, which emphasized free will as central to salvation"
So you do not interchange depravity with inability like you said you do?
Because man's inability is definitely taught in the Bible.
They are the same thing as far as I'm concerned because total depravity would produce total inability
Man's inability is taught in the Bible.
Romans 7 v 18-24a I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my flesh; for I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For I do not do the good I want to do. Instead, I keep on doing the evil I do not want to do. And if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. So this is the principle I have discovered: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God’s law. But I see another law at work in my body, warring against the law of my mind and holding me captive to the law of sin that dwells within me. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God, through Jesus Christ our Lord!
This is so absurd
'John Calvin stated, "So depraved is [human] nature that he can be moved or impelled only to evil," which reflects his belief in total inability, emphasizing that without divine grace, humans cannot choose good over evil."
where did you just copy and paste this from, theologians seem out of your comprehension seeing as you cant answer a simple question
Anything not of faith is sin. Without faith it is impossible to please God. Is sin not evil in your universe?
That is an AI generated response to a question I asked. What question are you referring to that I didn't answer?
So then inability or depravity is not an invention of Calvin as you keep saying, because man's inability is taught in the Bible.
You just like to keep muddying the waters for some reason, and with your Manichaean Gnosticism as well.
you don't think he's going to answer that question for himself do you.
He will probably only answer it for John Calvin, he's from got Calvinism syndrome or something
Faith isn't some magic substance that things are done out of. What Paul was saying in that verse is that if something is done that damages the conscience, then that is sin. Like someone eating idol sacrifices with weak faith, and then falling under condemnation for having done so. Happy is the person who doesn't condemn himself over the things he allows