Word of faith

[Blain]

So I am curious about this subject, See when I was in the hospital they had someone there to sit with me to keep an eye on me and they were a wof believer and they were telling me how the wof belief puts faith into action and he said to declare something in faith with authority is how one gets to see the works of God in action

But to be honest and this part depending on how you look at it may have been woppf in action I wanted to learn if it was actually biblical and no longer had I said this a code blue happened meaning someone stopped breathing and was dying and almost as if by instinct as the nurses were running to where the code blue was taking place I declared for the person to breath again and no sooner had I done this the code blue stopped.

This was either a coincidence or it was truly faith in action but then it got me thinking what if I diddn't have enough faith in that instance? would that person had died? and what about others who may want to believe in wof but nothing ever happens does that mean they simply didn't have enough faith? and if this is the case then wouldn't the wof belief actually cause them to have doubts because they apparently didn't have enough faith? wouldn't that be damaging to their confidence?

 

[NightTwister]

It works to make certain preachers rich.

 

[timf]

1Sa_15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

One might ask why witchcraft ad rebellion are equated. What they have in common is people thinking that they can get what they want by a special act. It is difficult to also see how this is different from word of faith.

 

[Carlyw]

From my knowldge Word of faith is almost entirely unbiblical, Especially when you start to look deep within its roots. From my understanding, some of these people believe that they themselves have the same authority in themselves as God did. Which is partially true as we were given the Holy spirit, but we are not God. They believe that they can speak things into existence by relying on "faith", turning faith into almost like a currency to exchange with God to make anything THEY desire to happen. This puts them in the place that God would/should be.

A prayer should not look like "in the name of Jesus i declare this will happen"

But rather,

"Father if it is in your will to do so please make this happen, all glory be to you Father in the name of your beloved son Jesus Christ.

Now sometimes it works, WoF is grounded in new age practices, like manifestation and words of affirmation. Of course it will work at times, spiritual powers of darkness exist for a reason.

I also will say that God let's them work for whatever reason, I am not sure why but he does. And he will allow for evil to happen which he can use for good.

God doesnt always make sense to me, im too radical and ridged in some of my beliefs. Like if I had it my way some things on earth would no longer exist. I would wipe them out. God sees more purpose for them than that and does not control as a dictator would. Thank God non of us are like him in authority.

WoF is bad. A lot of WoF teachers also believe that tithing is a way to reap benefits and inspire God's favor through this "faith" you've offered up through money.

They turn faith into something its not. Its unfortunate.

Also many WoF teachers will offer healings to those who give these types of offerings, many of who do not get healed. When they confess that they were not healed, these people get told they did not have enough faith or give enough.

WoF is at best wrong, and at worst predatory and harmful.

Look into the movement yourself. There are many WOF Christians and believers right now that would LOVE for you to join them. They might have scripture to twist and make the doctrine sound Biblical, I in fact know they do. Be cautious and read each verse in context, and weigh it. I am of the opinion that they are VERY wrong, as ive done my own digging in the past. Now I forgot most of their scriptural points and beliefs, otherwise I would help way more. I only am left with small bits of memories about the movement and how I believe it is wrong. But maybe youll find some grains of truth.

I suspect you tend to be a more Charasmatic /Mystic believer. If this is true, it leaves you more susceptible to being lead astray by what you feel God is telling you, which when dealing with doctrines, when not left checked can lead to all types of confusion and doctrinal errors. Its not wrong to be more charasmaric, but its also important to take scripture as is and check everything by scripture.

WoF teachers are very common in the charasmatic side of Church. My old church had WoF teachings. I believe it is mot biblical. Decide for yourself and if you want keep me updated. I would love to hear about what you find if you end up looking. Maybe I am wrong, who knows. I certainly dont know everything.

 

[Gideon300]

So I am curious about this subject, See when I was in the hospital they had someone there to sit with me to keep an eye on me and they were a wof believer and they were telling me how the wof belief puts faith into action and he said to declare something in faith with authority is how one gets to see the works of God in action

But to be honest and this part depending on how you look at it may have been woppf in action I wanted to learn if it was actually biblical and no longer had I said this a code blue happened meaning someone stopped breathing and was dying and almost as if by instinct as the nurses were running to where the code blue was taking place I declared for the person to breath again and no sooner had I done this the code blue stopped.

This was either a coincidence or it was truly faith in action but then it got me thinking what if I diddn't have enough faith in that instance? would that person had died? and what about others who may want to believe in wof but nothing ever happens does that mean they simply didn't have enough faith? and if this is the case then wouldn't the wof belief actually cause them to have doubts because they apparently didn't have enough faith? wouldn't that be damaging to their confidence?

WOF is dangerous because, like the most effective deceptions, there is an element of truth. If we have faith, then yes, what God wills comes to pass. The problem is that many imagine that they have faith when it is actually presumption.

WOF puts God under obligation to the believer. And that is wrong. An example from my own life. I was with a few believers about to go our separate ways. It was Sunday. One of the people had a toothache that literally laid him out. He could not get up. He and his brother had come by motorbike. Being Sunday, there was no dentist open.

His brother said we should pray for him. Doubting Thomas here said to himself, "God does not heal teeth." God spoke to me and said, "Yes I do". Immediately I had faith to pray for the man. Healing was immediate.

WOF turns it around. I received a word from God. I've never had the same experience again and that was nearly 50 years ago. WOF tries to make God serve us, so to speak. And yes, if God does not perform, the assumption is that faith is lacking.

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of Christ. It is not a magic formula. I received a word in a particular situation and so faith rose up. I already have the faith of Christ because I have Him in my life. However, I am not at liberty to use my faith for my own purposes.

What if it is not God's will to heal? Some in Corinth were abusing the Lord's Supper by denigrating poorer believers. Paul said that resulted in some getting sick and even dying. Do you pray for the sick in that situation? Or do you tell them why they are sick so that they may repent?

Presumption goes ahead of God, fear and doubt lags behind. True faith is in step with God, neither ahead nor behind.

 

[Edify]

@ Blain,
WOF is totally wrong. These people say they can "name it & claim it" when we are supposed to listen to the leading of the Holy Spirit.
Imagine if God gave a little kid spiritual power to command whatever they want. That is what WOF believes. They think they can speak to any circumstance without God leading them as if the power is theirs.
We can only speak as the Spirit gives utterance.(Acts 2:4).
Eph 6:
18Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; 19And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel, 20For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.

 

[Edify]

Also, those in WOF speak loudly & arrogantly trying to convince others of their "anointing".

 

[Blain]

My thing is is this, I believe that if by the spirits leading then a word of faith is possible just like how I declared for the person not breathing to breath again but that is the key point it was by the spirits leading

I have seen plenty so called wof pastors but never once have I seen what they do be reality this to me says that it is not the wof that is wrong but those who preach it without understanding it. Faith in action is essentially what wof is supposed to be but it has been perveted and people have been decieved by it

Any time that faith in action happens it is by the spirits leading trying to force it even with good intentions will get you nowhere

 

[homwardbound]

So I am curious about this subject, See when I was in the hospital they had someone there to sit with me to keep an eye on me and they were a wof believer and they were telling me how the wof belief puts faith into action and he said to declare something in faith with authority is how one gets to see the works of God in action

But to be honest and this part depending on how you look at it may have been woppf in action I wanted to learn if it was actually biblical and no longer had I said this a code blue happened meaning someone stopped breathing and was dying and almost as if by instinct as the nurses were running to where the code blue was taking place I declared for the person to breath again and no sooner had I done this the code blue stopped.

This was either a coincidence or it was truly faith in action but then it got me thinking what if I diddn't have enough faith in that instance? would that person had died? and what about others who may want to believe in wof but nothing ever happens does that mean they simply didn't have enough faith? and if this is the case then wouldn't the wof belief actually cause them to have doubts because they apparently didn't have enough faith? wouldn't that be damaging to their confidence?

Is wof, a name it claim religion?
Sounds like it.
God himself has claimed salvation for us all through risen Son to either believe God or not, Simple
Yet man has got his claims in this too, and to me I see to stand out and not get in the way of God or others as well too, thank you
God did it by Son, I believe it and that settles it for me. I do not have to get or do anything. One day I will leave here and go to God Father and Son, who decided to save me and all the world of people that choose God in belief, who, left us to decide to believe God or not, that is it. Then trust God to get you through it all, even if disabled, poor and homeless here on earth for now. Won't be that way once leave here anymore.
The people, here seem to me to preach a prosperity gospel, which is no gospel from God at all to me, it is religion work to get what one wants now, by doing works and getting rewards from people, not necessarily by God, stop y'all think what is your motive and ask God to show you, this does not mean one does not help others, more importantly privately, not looking for rewards from others, all credit goes to God y'all.
God said God will get me through it all here, you too, oh and everyone else too. So will you trust God even if poor here, others do not yet believe and might not ever believe, having free choice too. To believe God or not
I stay away from religion(s) I stand in thanksgiving and praise to God alone in risen Son Jesus for me, to not get in the way, and wait to here in love and mercy from God what to do in love and mercy too, thank you

 

[Blain]

Is wof, a name it claim religion?
Sounds like it.
God himself has claimed salvation for us all through risen Son to either believe God or not, Simple
Yet man has got his claims in this too, and to me I see to stand out and not get in the way of God or others as well too, thank you
God did it by Son, I believe it and that settles it for me. I do not have to get or do anything. One day I will leave here and go to God Father and Son, who decided to save me and all the world of people that choose God in belief, who, left us to decide to believe God or not, that is it. Then trust God to get you through it all, even if disabled, poor and homeless here on earth for now. Won't be that way once leave here anymore.
The people, here seem to me to preach a prosperity gospel, which is no gospel from God at all to me, it is religion work to get what one wants now, by doing works and getting rewards from people, not necessarily by God, stop y'all think what is your motive and ask God to show you, this does not mean one does not help others, more importantly privately, not looking for rewards from others, all credit goes to God y'all.
God said God will get me through it all here, you too, oh and everyone else too. So will you trust God even if poor here, others do not yet believe and might not ever believe, having free choice too. To believe God or not
I stay away from religion(s) I stand in thanksgiving and praise to God alone in risen Son Jesus for me, to not get in the way, and wait to here in love and mercy from God what to do in love and mercy too, thank you

From what I understand yes it is a name it and claim it thing, but what happened with me in the hospital was either a word of faith thing or it was just a spur of the moment declaration kind of thing.

 

[Citizen]

WOF falls under the umbrella of Dominionism. Basic beliefs of WOF:

Dominion: The premise that God lost the kingdom at the fall and needs a covenant people to restore and reconstruct authority and dominion back to God. Only when this happens and the 'church' has been made spotless can Jesus Christ return. The goal is create an earthly kingdom and rule through political, educational, social, and financial power.

Faith: A force to be used to bend to our will, and as such it can be used to ‘speak’ into existence what the believer desires
God is obligated to do our will when we ‘speak’ in faith
Jesus became a sinner and satanic in nature, died spiritually, went to hell and was tortured by demons. He was spiritually reborn in hell and defeated Satan

Sickness & poverty: Considered a result of lack of faith, and they are outside of God’s will

Atonement: Jesus did not atone for sin on the cross but instead died spiritually and was dragged into hell by demons. He was tortured, overcame, and was reborn in hell. Consequently, He atoned for sin in hell.

Men are gods: Jesus came to earth as a man and 'worked' his way into Godhood and became born again. Since men are also born again, they have the same potential as Christ and are actually little Christs and gods, equal to Christ and able to do what He did if they know how.

Faith: Faith is a source of supernatural power. This 'force of faith' can be used by WOF followers to attain what they desire. 


Positive confession: Followers are to speak words in 'faith' to accomplish their goals and their desires. These desires can be material goods, wealth, health, success... whatever they want.

God obligated to do our will: God promises wealth, prosperity, health, and success to believers. Therefore God must obey His own Word by giving believers these things when asked. WOF followers are told not to ask, but to demand what they want from God. If believers are not attaining these things, they are considered to be lacking in their faith and the fault lies with them.

Examples -

Benny Hinn: "When you say ‘I am a Christian’ you are saying ‘I am a little Messiah walking on earth."

Benny Hinn: “Don’t tell me you ‘have’ Jesus. You ARE everything He was and everything He is and ever shall be.”

Kenneth Copeland: “You don’t have a God in you, you are one.”

Kenneth Copeland: “The plan of redemption BEGAN when Jesus said “It is FINISHED. Jesus death on the cross was not enough to save us.”

Kenneth Copeland: “Satan conquered Jesus on the Cross and took His spirit to the dark regions of hell”

Charles Capps: “Jesus was born again in the pit of hell. He was the firstborn, the first begotten, from the dead. He started the Church of the firstborn in the gates of hell."

Kenneth Hagin: “He (Jesus) tasted spiritual death for every man. And his spirit and inner man went to hell in my place. Can’t you see that? PHYSICAL DEATH WOULDN’T REMOVE YOUR SINS. He tasted death for every man. He’s talking about spiritual death.”

Joyce Meyer: “God rose up from His throne and said to demon powers tormenting the sinless Son of God, ‘Let Him go.’ Then the resurrection power of Almighty God went through hell and filled Jesus."

Kenneth Copeland: “Because his physical death was not enough for the payment of sins there was a another way for sins payment. Jesus put Himself into the hands of Satan when He went to that cross, and took that same nature that Adam did [when he sinned].”

Benny Hinn: “Jesus Christ knew the only way He would stop Satan is by becoming one in nature with him. You say, 'What did you say? What blasphemy is this?' No, you hear this! He did not take my sin; He became my sin. Sin is the nature of hell. Sin is what made Satan...It was sin that made Satan. Jesus said, 'I'll be sin! I'll go to the lowest place! I'll go to the origin of it! I won't just take part in it, I'll be the totality of it!'"

Dominionism and it's various offshoots are very dangerous, heretical, and definitely not Christian.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Word of Faith evolved from the New Thought movement of Phineas Quimby in the 19th century. It's not that different from new age metaphysics or magic. Does it work? Yeah, if a person knows what they're doing; but that doesn't mean it's from God. I'd stay away from it.

 

[homwardbound]

From what I understand yes it is a name it and claim it thing, but what happened with me in the hospital was either a word of faith thing or it was just a spur of the moment declaration kind of thing.

Praise God it happened, see to not claim any credit to self, thank you. Gd does answer prayers, yet it is not us that do anything, why? Pride comes in and takes people for a ride and one might become like a Pharisee in Luke 18:9-14 where I see the asking for the forgiveness before it was and is given through Son justified that sinner

I require mercy over sacrifice, seeing there is no respect of persons from the sight of God? No one better than anyone else. God loves us all y'all otherwise Son would not ave ever gone willingly to that cross!

 

[Blain]

I do think there is some truth to wof if done correctly. The ability to have faith so strong that you declare something and it happens is biblical Jesus made fish and bread come and he healed the sick made the blind see but we don't see things like this very much these days due to lack of faith.

To do it correctly in my opinion is to firstly believe you will recieve what you ask for secondly make sure the credit goes to the father thirdly thank father for his help

 

[Edify]

I do think there is some truth to wof if done correctly. The ability to have faith so strong that you declare something and it happens is biblical Jesus made fish and bread come and he healed the sick made the blind see but we don't see things like this very much these days due to lack of faith.

To do it correctly in my opinion is to firstly believe you will recieve what you ask for secondly make sure the credit goes to the father thirdly thank father for his help

Jesus did NOTHING without seeing the Father do it or hear the Father say it.
The WOF doctrine is wicked from the ground up. All that teach/preach it are wicked from the ground up.

 

[Blain]

Jesus did NOTHING without seeing the Father do it or hear the Father say it.
The WOF doctrine is wicked from the ground up. All that teach/preach it are wicked from the ground up.

Well yes as it is it has been perved and twisted to a name it clame it for self kind of thing but many times in scripture we are told that we can have the faith to move mountains that anything we ask in his name he will give it to us

The aspect of faith true faith is in fact biblical and this is what wof is supposed to be not what you see in todays age the devil has corrupted it and made it similar to the prosperity gospel

 

[Edward429451]

This was either a coincidence or it was truly faith in action but then it got me thinking what if I diddn't have enough faith in that instance? would that person had died? and what about others who may want to believe in wof but nothing ever happens does that mean they simply didn't have enough faith? and if this is the case then wouldn't the wof belief actually cause them to have doubts because they apparently didn't have enough faith? wouldn't that be damaging to their confidence?

There's no such thing as a real coincidence on earth, Brother. They are God-incidences designed to either confirm or encourage your faith by testing it!

Was it God or a coincidence? Is it live or Memorex?

That was no coincidence Brother. You had enough faith to believe the Lord and proclaim it under authority of the name Jesus that He has given us. Praise the Lord a life was saved! If you hadn't stepped in in faith the guy might be dead.

 

[Edify]

Well yes as it is it has been perved and twisted to a name it clame it for self kind of thing but many times in scripture we are told that we can have the faith to move mountains that anything we ask in his name he will give it to us

The aspect of faith true faith is in fact biblical and this is what wof is supposed to be not what you see in todays age the devil has corrupted it and made it similar to the prosperity gospel

The WOF doctrine was started by Kenneth Hagin back I think in the early 60's & he was bad from the beginning. He also started the prosperity gospel.
You really ought to research it.

 

[pinebeach]

The WOF doctrine was started by Kenneth Hagin back I think in the early 60's & he was bad from the beginning. He also started the prosperity gospel.
You really ought to research it.

Prosperity is not a separate entity. It's about 'speaking what you want into existance. About the only thing many people speak into existance is either a headache or getting angry at God for not doing what they said. BUT, Haggin got his inspiration from E W Kenyon, a whole other bowl of fruit loops.

Just the facts

 

[Blain]

The WOF doctrine was started by Kenneth Hagin back I think in the early 60's & he was bad from the beginning. He also started the prosperity gospel.
You really ought to research it.

Well regardless of what it began as even the enemy knows that for a lie to be convincing there needs to be a bit of truth in it that small bit of truth is what I am talking about not the lie or corruption part.

Tell me do you believe that we can walk on water and raise the dead? or do you believe that we can speak things and then see them come to pass?