Alcohol Damages Health

[TruthDefender]

EDIT - Meant to say Higher Gospel in my response to you: ??? I'm not the one condemning people to hell for what God allows in moderation. I am asking HigherGospel to further define his/her unscriptural condemnation.

Did you mean to reply to me or HigherGospel?

Sorry, it is meant for whoever is denigrating what God gave us for good.

 

[TruthDefender]

-"He causes the grass to grow for the cattle, and vegetation for the service of man, that he may bring forth food from the earth, and wine that makes glad the heart of man, oil to make his face shine, and bread which strengthens man’s heart."
Psalms 104:14-15 NKJV

MEDICINAL

-"No longer drink only water, but use a little winefor your stomach’s sake and your frequent infirmities."
I Timothy 5:23 NKJV

 

[Jordon]

I healed from ulcers avoiding dangerous medical doctors and their PPIs/proton pump inhibitors. These used to be their primary go to for those who have ulcers after "running" as many expensive and dangerous tests that they can charge patients for.

Perhaps there is a gastric condition that alcohol in fermented wine provides a therapeutic effect that brings about healing that I'm not aware of. I don't know everything which is why is take multiple classes per week.

However, fermented vegetables that have produced beneficial bacteria and converted to a healthy preserved state are used by some to assist gut microbial balance. I've used Kim Chi and other various fermented vegetable recipes. It aids digestion.

The wine/juice/broth/brine from it does the same thing when taken at the beginning of meals. It makes sense to me that would be understood by any culture familiar with the common preservation method of vegetables and other foods.
This has been a long tested method for many who have used old fashioned apple cider vinegar too! Unfiltered, unpasteurized is what Paul and Patricia Bragg have written about during their generation. I bought the Bragg library of to help others with many conditions. Although I disagree with some of their information, much of it has been used clinically with successful healing.

When it comes to alcohol, ethenol is a type of alcohol, the only credible theory I can think of alcohol having health benefits, is alcohol ethanol can be broken down into acetates which is used to help the metabolism of the body, acetates can be found in many medications including metabolism boosting medication, needed for all sorts of life threatening conditions.

The body can also convert alcohol ethanol to acetates by it's self which the body can use as metabolism energy also

It's linked to health benefits in low moderate consumption but none of its proven.

 

[John146]

For people who have problems with it, sure. By all means stay away from it! People have problems with all kinds of foods, but are we to stay away from those foods because of a few? This makes no sense!

But what I’m against is people who say it’s a sin, when it’s CLEARLY not!! They are adding to His word; this is a sin!

God gave us OIL and WINE to use so why denigrate what God created for our health??

Agreed, but it's not the alcohol in the wine that is good, but the benefits of grapes. Wine, as described in scripture, can be new wine, aka grape juice. All things are lawful, but not all things are expedient.

14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:

 

[John146]

PLENTY of people have just one drink. PLENTY of people understand moderation. It's not your job to judge them.

Correct, but most can't have just one. One little drink will lead to two, three, etc.

1. Man take drink
2. Drink take drink
3. Drink take man

If one never drinks, he'll never become an alcoholic. Why even test it.

 

[Blain]

Based on the bible God never said we couldn't drink now drunkess on the other hand yes it says to be sober minded if you are drinking to get drunk then there is an issue but having a few beers? no it never once says we cannot do that.

Moderation is key

 

[Blain]

Agreed, but it's not the alcohol in the wine that is good, but the benefits of grapes. Wine, as described in scripture, can be new wine, aka grape juice. All things are lawful, but not all things are expedient.

14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:

New wine is never described as grape juice

 

[John146]

Based on the bible God never said we couldn't drink now drunkess on the other hand yes it says to be sober minded if you are drinking to get drunk then there is an issue but having a few beers? no it never once says we cannot do that.

Moderation is key

The point it starts to affect your mind and judgment. Two standard drinks for most...

 

[John146]

New wine is never described as grape juice

New wine is found in the cluster.

What is wine? What is strong drink?

Numbers 6
3 He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.
4 All the days of his separation shall he eat nothing that is made of the vine tree, from the kernels even to the husk.

 

[TruthDefender]

When it comes to alcohol, ethenol is a type of alcohol, the only credible theory I can think of alcohol having health benefits, is alcohol ethanol can be broken down into acetates which is used to help the metabolism of the body, acetates can be found in many medications including metabolism boosting medication, needed for all sorts of life threatening conditions.

The body can also convert alcohol ethanol to acetates by it's self which the body can use as metabolism energy also

It's linked to health benefits in low moderate consumption but none of its proven.

Believe in what God said; men are always making statements about something or other, but you can take what God said to the bank!

-"He causes the grass to grow for the cattle, and vegetation for the service of man, that he may bring forth food from the earth, and wine that makes glad the heart of man, oil to make his face shine, and bread which strengthens man’s heart."
Psalms 104:14-15 NKJV

MEDICINAL

-"No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for your stomach’s sake and your frequent infirmities."
I Timothy 5:23 NKJV

 

[Blain]

The point it starts to affect your mind and judgment. Two standard drinks for most...

Well Jesus drank wine when he ate and drank with sinners, Timothy took wine for his stomach as well yes it can dull your sense with a large amount of it but even so if Jesus himself drank it then it seems clear to me it is not a sin

 

[TruthDefender]

New wine is found in the cluster.

What is wine? What is strong drink?

Numbers 6
3 He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.
4 All the days of his separation shall he eat nothing that is made of the vine tree, from the kernels even to the husk.

You’re taking this out of context! He was speaking to the Nazarite Priests, and only when they were on duty.

 

[Blain]

New wine is found in the cluster.

What is wine? What is strong drink?

Numbers 6
3 He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.
4 All the days of his separation shall he eat nothing that is made of the vine tree, from the kernels even to the husk.

Well even without alchohal in it wine itself is a strong drink so it seems to be saying he was to stay away from any kind of drink like that

 

[John146]

Well Jesus drank wine when he ate and drank with sinners, Timothy took wine for his stomach as well yes it can dull your sense with a large amount of it but even so if Jesus himself drank it then it seems clear to me it is not a sin

I've also heard that wine back then contained very little alcohol as compared to today.

 

[John146]

You’re taking this out of context! He was speaking to the Nazarite Priests, and only when they were on duty.

I'm aware of the context, but what is wine? What is strong drink?

 

[John146]

Thus saith the Lord, As the new wine is found in the cluster,

 

[Blain]

I've also heard that wine back then contained very little alcohol as compared to today.

Hearing about something doesn't make it valid though, nowhere does it say in scripture that it only had a little in it it does actually warn against being drunk so either they drank it in a large amount or it had a lot of alchohal in it either way wine is drunk in the buble and Jesus drank it as well

 

[John146]

Hearing about something doesn't make it valid though, nowhere does it say in scripture that it only had a little in it it does actually warn against being drunk so either they drank it in a large amount or it had a lot of alchohal in it either way wine is drunk in the buble and Jesus drank it as well

I'm not claiming you, but all of a sudden Christians want to be like Jesus when it comes to drinking wine.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Correct, but all things are lawful unto me, but not all things are expedient. We have methods for those feeling a little ill from an upset stomache other than alcohol. By the way, it is not alcohol that soothes an illness, but rather, makes one "feel better" going through it.

All due respect brother, I wouldn't drink alcohol while going through gastric distress such as an upset stomach.

Alcohol
1. Is a toxin that the liver must remove. Most of the time an upset stomach is a reaction to toxins. That's why the body want to vomit. It's the mechanism for quickly removing the poison. That which is in the intestines is expelled ASAP by diarrhea.
Adding more toxins won't improve the situation.

2. It irritates the stomach lining, not sooth it. You will be adding a strong irritant, again making it worse. Whether you drink strong drink or alcoholic wine, it's not like drinking milk. It's astringent that the nerves in the mouth lining detect so that's why people scrunch up their faces when they drink alcohol.

3. It kills beneficial gut microbes. This upsets the balance in the intestines. Guess what helps detoxify in addition to the liver?
Bacterial in the intestines. When people take poisons like antibiotics for example, they are killing off the innumerable gut microbes that make up much of the immune system and detoxify the harmful bacterial wastes.

The only healthy use that I am able to think of for oral consumption of alcohol is for things like extracts. I need to harvest plants right away. The beneficial components of the plants will be extracted with grain alcohol or vinegar. A solvent is needed to extract and to preserve the compounds God made. Then it is taken by the dropperful, but not so much as to stress the liver or kill colonies of microbes in the intestines.
These will be my natural bioavailable supplements and for external injuries, etc.

If you are experiencing upset stomach, I may be able to help.
I don't sell the extracts. I do consultations.

Be well and blessed

 

[Blain]

I'm not claiming you, but all of a sudden Christians want to be like Jesus when it comes to drinking wine.

Imitation is the greatest form of flattery