The Holy Spirit/God's Word

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Yes, I believe "God in all God loves us all, revealed by Son who is risen for us all"
and/but all/some may not satisfy God's conditional forgiveness, which Jesus and Paul called "belief (John 6:29)/faith (Eph. 2:8-9)".

It is not conditional, It is Son Jesus for us all
There is no more work of self or others to do. Only the done work of Son working that out through us each that sincerely believe, as God knows all, I assuredly do not, thank you Father and Son as Won (One)
So we each can and will be and are one with you Father and Son as Won for us to love in the same mercy and truth to all, thank you
 
It is not conditional, It is Son Jesus for us all
There is no more work of self or others to do. Only the done work of Son working that out through us each that sincerely believe, as God knows all, I assuredly do not, thank you Father and Son as Won (One)
So we each can and will be and are one with you Father and Son as Won for us to love in the same mercy and truth to all, thank you

What does "it" refer to? Salvation? If so, then you disagree with Paul's Gospel per Romans and Galatians:

1. Romans 1:16 says the Gospel reveals that (s/e) is for “everyone who believes”, both Jew and Gentile.

2. Romans 1:17 describes s/e as “righteousness from God” that is by faith “from first to last” or from creation until the end.

3. Romans 2:4 teaches that God’s kindness or patience with sinners is meant to lead them toward repentance, which implies that sinners are able to repent because of God’s leading.

4. Romans 2:5 warns that those who do not repent but instead stubbornly resist God’s leading are storing up wrath against themselves for the day when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed, which implies that God enables sinners to repent–or not (cf. Deut. 30:19).

5. Romans 2:6 affirms what is called karma by saying that “God will give to each person according to what he has done”, which (in Gal. 6:7-9) is called reaping what a person sows.

6. Romans 2:7 speaks of the need for “persistence in doing good” and seeking glory, honor and immortality in order to receive s/e or eternal life, which echoes what Jesus commanded (in Matt. 7:7) and connects with the doctrine of perseverance (cf. Heb. 10:36 & Jam. 1:3-4).

7. Romans 2:11 teaches that “God does not show favoritism” (cf. Eph. 6:9, Col. 3:25, 1Pet. 1:17), which is how God judges people justly, so the fact that some sinners ignore God’s Gospel indicates that His will or leading is resistible because of MFW.

8. Romans 2:15 teaches that sinful souls have a conscience or awareness of “the requirements of the law”, which may be combined with Romans 1:20 to teach that God’s power and moral nature or will may be perceived via creation and conscience (called natural revelation), thus those unfamiliar with God’s Word in Scripture have no good reason for resisting divine leading and choosing atheism/evil.

9. Romans 3:20-21 states the law makes souls conscious of sin and that “the Law and Prophets testify” or prepare the way for the new revelation of righteousness from God apart from the Law, which takes up where Romans 1:17 left off.

10. Romans 3:22a says that “righteousness from God” or s/e comes through faith “in Jesus Christ” (cf. Eph. 2:8), a phrase Paul used eleven times in Ephesians 1:3-14 to indicate s/e.

11. Romans 3:22b says that God’s righteousness is given “to all who believe—there is no difference”” signifying that all sinners may believe or be s/e (cf. 1Tim. 2:3-4, John 3:16, Tit. 2:11), because there is no favoritism (#7).

12. Romans 3:23 teaches that “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God”, meaning that no one can be good enough to earn salvation because of their own merit.

13. Romans 3:24 says sinners “are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus” (via faith per v.22, cf. 3:27-28); s/e is free because Christ paid the price/cost.

14. Romans 3:25a explains redemption as being “a sacrifice of atonement” for those who have faith in Christ’s work of dying in their place.

15. Romans 3:25b further explains that God demonstrated his just patience (#3) or forbearance in leaving unpunished those sins committed before the revealing of the Gospel (foreshadowed in Gen. 22:8 & 13), implying that sinners had/have the opportunity to believe and be s/e thereby demonstrating God’s justice/not showing favoritism (#11).

16. Romans 3:26 continues to emphasize divine justice by declaring it three ways (“justice…, just…, justifies”), which justness is synonymous with righteousness (2Thes. 1:5-6, Heb. 6:10).

17. Romans 4:1-25 presents Abraham as a Gentile who became the physical father of the Jews and the spiritual father of all who choose to have faith in God/Christ.

18. Romans 5:1 echoes Eph. 2:8 by describing s/e as justification through faith, Eph. 1:5 & 7 by using the phrase “through Jesus Christ”, and Eph. 2:14 by describing s/e as having peace with God.

19. Romans 5:2 & 5 also echo Eph. 2:18 & 3:1 by describing s/e as having access to God’s grace via the Holy Spirit.

20. Romans 5:6-10 states that God’s love (cf. kindness in #3) for the ungodly, for sinners and for His enemies is demonstrated by Christ dying for their s/e or justification/reconciliation.

TOP #131: Do not pervert the Gospel of Christ by reverting to belief that salvation is earned via observing the law. [Gal. 1:6-9, 5:1-12] Such doctrine is anathema or condemned (1Cor. 16:22). The purpose of the law of Moses was to lead people to faith in Christ (Gal. 3:22-24). This truth is akin to TOP #37.

The reference to an angel from heaven deserving condemnation to hell is reminiscent of TOP #128 (Gal. 1:1-10). As a reason to believe the true Gospel, Paul described how he received it from Christ via revelation even though he had been a zealous anti-Christian. There are discrepancies between the account of Paul’s activities in this epistle and that of Luke (in Acts 9, 11:25-30, 12:25, & 13-15), but Gal. 2:1-9 seems to refer to the meeting in Acts 15 regarding a dispute with “believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees”, who said that Gentiles must obey the law of Moses, beginning with external circumcision. Verse 10 refers to the request for Paul to collect alms for the poor in Jerusalem (cf. TOP #125). Verses 15-21 refer to living by faith in the Son of God rather than by obeying the Mosaic law (cf. 2Cor. 5:7).

In chapter three Paul illustrated obtaining salvation via faith by sharing the example of Abraham that is also cited in RM 4 (TOP #26). Paul said we are redeemed from the curse of the law because by faith believers receive God’s Spirit (cf. TOP #27). He also stressed that the promise or covenant made with Abraham included his “seed”, referring to Christ, and the law Moses introduced 430 years later cannot annul it, so the purpose of the law was to specify sins rather than to serve as the means of attaining righteousness (Gal. 3:15-22).

At this point Paul returns to his concern that his preaching is being perverted before citing the example of Sarah and Hagar as figuratively representing the Gospel of Christ versus the law of Moses (Gal. 4:8-31), which Scripture commands to “get rid of” (in Gen. 21:10, cf. #132).

TOP #134: Continue to be free of the law by having faith in Christ so that you will not be “alienated” and become “fallen away from grace”. [Gal. 5:1-5] This indicates the possibility of apostasy or intentionally repudiating saving faith (cf. Heb. 6:4-6).

TOP #135: The only thing that matters with regard to satisfying GRFS is having faith that is expressed through love. [Gal. 5:6&14, cf. TOP #27-29 & TOJ #129] Love in its various forms manifests the fruit of the Spirit (called the “new creation” in 6:15). Those who pervert this truth, thereby leavening the Gospel with heresy, deserve their penalty including emasculation (Gal. 5:7-12).

TOP #136: Do not cite freedom in Christ as an excuse for committing sins. [Gal. 5:13] These sins or “acts of the sinful nature” include: sexual immorality, idolatry, hatred, rage, drunkenness… and conceit (Gal. 5:16-20&26). These evil behaviors manifest the opposite of saving faith and love or living/being led “by the Spirit”.
 
What does "it" refer to? Salvation? If so, then you disagree with Paul's Gospel per Romans and Galatians:

1. Romans 1:16 says the Gospel reveals that (s/e) is for “everyone who believes”, both Jew and Gentile.

2. Romans 1:17 describes s/e as “righteousness from God” that is by faith “from first to last” or from creation until the end.

3. Romans 2:4 teaches that God’s kindness or patience with sinners is meant to lead them toward repentance, which implies that sinners are able to repent because of God’s leading.

4. Romans 2:5 warns that those who do not repent but instead stubbornly resist God’s leading are storing up wrath against themselves for the day when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed, which implies that God enables sinners to repent–or not (cf. Deut. 30:19).

5. Romans 2:6 affirms what is called karma by saying that “God will give to each person according to what he has done”, which (in Gal. 6:7-9) is called reaping what a person sows.

6. Romans 2:7 speaks of the need for “persistence in doing good” and seeking glory, honor and immortality in order to receive s/e or eternal life, which echoes what Jesus commanded (in Matt. 7:7) and connects with the doctrine of perseverance (cf. Heb. 10:36 & Jam. 1:3-4).

7. Romans 2:11 teaches that “God does not show favoritism” (cf. Eph. 6:9, Col. 3:25, 1Pet. 1:17), which is how God judges people justly, so the fact that some sinners ignore God’s Gospel indicates that His will or leading is resistible because of MFW.

8. Romans 2:15 teaches that sinful souls have a conscience or awareness of “the requirements of the law”, which may be combined with Romans 1:20 to teach that God’s power and moral nature or will may be perceived via creation and conscience (called natural revelation), thus those unfamiliar with God’s Word in Scripture have no good reason for resisting divine leading and choosing atheism/evil.

9. Romans 3:20-21 states the law makes souls conscious of sin and that “the Law and Prophets testify” or prepare the way for the new revelation of righteousness from God apart from the Law, which takes up where Romans 1:17 left off.

10. Romans 3:22a says that “righteousness from God” or s/e comes through faith “in Jesus Christ” (cf. Eph. 2:8), a phrase Paul used eleven times in Ephesians 1:3-14 to indicate s/e.

11. Romans 3:22b says that God’s righteousness is given “to all who believe—there is no difference”” signifying that all sinners may believe or be s/e (cf. 1Tim. 2:3-4, John 3:16, Tit. 2:11), because there is no favoritism (#7).

12. Romans 3:23 teaches that “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God”, meaning that no one can be good enough to earn salvation because of their own merit.

13. Romans 3:24 says sinners “are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus” (via faith per v.22, cf. 3:27-28); s/e is free because Christ paid the price/cost.

14. Romans 3:25a explains redemption as being “a sacrifice of atonement” for those who have faith in Christ’s work of dying in their place.

15. Romans 3:25b further explains that God demonstrated his just patience (#3) or forbearance in leaving unpunished those sins committed before the revealing of the Gospel (foreshadowed in Gen. 22:8 & 13), implying that sinners had/have the opportunity to believe and be s/e thereby demonstrating God’s justice/not showing favoritism (#11).

16. Romans 3:26 continues to emphasize divine justice by declaring it three ways (“justice…, just…, justifies”), which justness is synonymous with righteousness (2Thes. 1:5-6, Heb. 6:10).

17. Romans 4:1-25 presents Abraham as a Gentile who became the physical father of the Jews and the spiritual father of all who choose to have faith in God/Christ.

18. Romans 5:1 echoes Eph. 2:8 by describing s/e as justification through faith, Eph. 1:5 & 7 by using the phrase “through Jesus Christ”, and Eph. 2:14 by describing s/e as having peace with God.

19. Romans 5:2 & 5 also echo Eph. 2:18 & 3:1 by describing s/e as having access to God’s grace via the Holy Spirit.

20. Romans 5:6-10 states that God’s love (cf. kindness in #3) for the ungodly, for sinners and for His enemies is demonstrated by Christ dying for their s/e or justification/reconciliation.

TOP #131: Do not pervert the Gospel of Christ by reverting to belief that salvation is earned via observing the law. [Gal. 1:6-9, 5:1-12] Such doctrine is anathema or condemned (1Cor. 16:22). The purpose of the law of Moses was to lead people to faith in Christ (Gal. 3:22-24). This truth is akin to TOP #37.

The reference to an angel from heaven deserving condemnation to hell is reminiscent of TOP #128 (Gal. 1:1-10). As a reason to believe the true Gospel, Paul described how he received it from Christ via revelation even though he had been a zealous anti-Christian. There are discrepancies between the account of Paul’s activities in this epistle and that of Luke (in Acts 9, 11:25-30, 12:25, & 13-15), but Gal. 2:1-9 seems to refer to the meeting in Acts 15 regarding a dispute with “believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees”, who said that Gentiles must obey the law of Moses, beginning with external circumcision. Verse 10 refers to the request for Paul to collect alms for the poor in Jerusalem (cf. TOP #125). Verses 15-21 refer to living by faith in the Son of God rather than by obeying the Mosaic law (cf. 2Cor. 5:7).

In chapter three Paul illustrated obtaining salvation via faith by sharing the example of Abraham that is also cited in RM 4 (TOP #26). Paul said we are redeemed from the curse of the law because by faith believers receive God’s Spirit (cf. TOP #27). He also stressed that the promise or covenant made with Abraham included his “seed”, referring to Christ, and the law Moses introduced 430 years later cannot annul it, so the purpose of the law was to specify sins rather than to serve as the means of attaining righteousness (Gal. 3:15-22).

At this point Paul returns to his concern that his preaching is being perverted before citing the example of Sarah and Hagar as figuratively representing the Gospel of Christ versus the law of Moses (Gal. 4:8-31), which Scripture commands to “get rid of” (in Gen. 21:10, cf. #132).

TOP #134: Continue to be free of the law by having faith in Christ so that you will not be “alienated” and become “fallen away from grace”. [Gal. 5:1-5] This indicates the possibility of apostasy or intentionally repudiating saving faith (cf. Heb. 6:4-6).

TOP #135: The only thing that matters with regard to satisfying GRFS is having faith that is expressed through love. [Gal. 5:6&14, cf. TOP #27-29 & TOJ #129] Love in its various forms manifests the fruit of the Spirit (called the “new creation” in 6:15). Those who pervert this truth, thereby leavening the Gospel with heresy, deserve their penalty including emasculation (Gal. 5:7-12).

TOP #136: Do not cite freedom in Christ as an excuse for committing sins. [Gal. 5:13] These sins or “acts of the sinful nature” include: sexual immorality, idolatry, hatred, rage, drunkenness… and conceit (Gal. 5:16-20&26). These evil behaviors manifest the opposite of saving faith and love or living/being led “by the Spirit”.

You do not see as I see from God loving us all unconditionally, okay, thanks, as God knows what God allows and free choice is allowed for us all to choose.
God's love has freed me from sin that steals, kills and destroys people, to now able to enter the throne of grace in confidence, thanks to the done work of Son for us all. Psalm 100:4, 103:12
To ask Father, Daddy, PaPa, how can I say No to unrighteousness? And God leads each person that asks God to see truth over error that sets them free from error. Has set me free, are you free too? I trust from God that is so from Father's view to you through risen Son for you too, love to all from God is what is done John 19:30, Hebrews 9:14-17
 
You do not see as I see from God loving us all unconditionally, okay, thanks, as God knows what God allows and free choice is allowed for us all to choose.
God's love has freed me from sin that steals, kills and destroys people, to now able to enter the throne of grace in confidence, thanks to the done work of Son for us all. Psalm 100:4, 103:12
To ask Father, Daddy, PaPa, how can I say No to unrighteousness? And God leads each person that asks God to see truth over error that sets them free from error. Has set me free, are you free too? I trust from God that is so from Father's view to you through risen Son for you too, love to all from God is what is done John 19:30, Hebrews 9:14-17

Do you see that you disagree with the Romans passages I cited in #142?
Please understand/see that I DO see God loving everyone unconditionally per Scripture teaching that truth (John 3:16a, etc.),
AND I see God forgiving only those who satisfy His condition for salvation per Scripture teaching THAT truth (John 3:16b, etc.).
I am encouraging you also to believe BOTH sets of Scriptural teachings (John 3:16a&b).
Perhaps part of the problem is your indiscriminate use of "us", which SHOULD refer only to believers
when speaking of forgiveness. I assume you do not believe everyone is saved?
 
Our study of the HS up to this point is summarized in posts #52, 55 and 59.
Seeing that no one has suggested a better way to harmonize WB & SB, let us proceed.

The outward evidence that someone was baptized by the HS also has two diverse understandings that need to be harmonized.
One view is that Acts 2:4 indicates everyone who is filled with the HS will speak in tongues (SIT). The alternate view is that John 13:35 indicates love is the indicator of being filled with the HS. Honest reflection reveals that the only reason for this disagreement or confusion is because in 1Cor. 14:18 & 39 that he SIT more than anyone and not to forbid SIT, even though in 1Cor. 13:1-13 he taught that love is most important, and SIT will be stilled. Thus, again the question arises: What is the best way to harmonize these Scriptures instead of engaging in double-think?

IMO, the predominant NT teaching is that love is thematic, as in Eph. 3:19 & 5:18 (which is followed by Paul saying in v.19, "Speak to one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs rather than with tongues), and as in 1John 4:7-21, which commands love rather than SIT. Again, the fruit of the HS listed in Gal. 5:22-23: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control does NOT include SIT.

The personal relationship between Believers/Christians and God may be viewed as having three stages: conversion, spiritual growth or maturation (Eph. 4:13), and glorification (1Pet. 5:10) or immortality (1Cor. 15:53) in heaven. The kerygmatic prayer that is necessary in order for a sinner be saved and walk with God is confession (1John 1:9, Psa. 32:1-5). Because a convert’s commitment to Christ is in accordance with God’s perfect will (1Tim. 2:3-4), the moment of Spirit baptism fulfills the command to be filled with the Spirit (in Eph. 5:18), which means to cooperate fully with the love of God (Eph. 3:16-19). The moment or stage of conversion may be described grammatically as occurring in the past: we were saved when we repented/received the baptism of the HS.

From the moment of repentance onward begins the second stage of growth, discipleship (Acts 14:22) or sanctification (2Thes. 2:13), which is present progressive: it is the process of being saved now. This stage has two phases: instability and maturity. A new convert does not achieve immediate perfection by remaining filled with the HS (Phil. 3:12). Instead, the combination of temptations, ignorance of GW and the old selfish nature results in immature saints committing post-conversion sins, at which time the are carnal or acting like unbelievers (1Cor. 3:1).
 
True regarding "merely", we invite Him in because we read to do that in Rev. 3:20, and so we do.

The work of Holy Spirit compels us to seek Him.
If we seek Him we will find Him, if we seek Him with all our heart.
blessings:)(y):coffee:
 
The work of Holy Spirit compels us to seek Him.
If we seek Him we will find Him, if we seek Him with all our heart.
blessings:)(y):coffee:

Yes, understanding "with all our heart" to mean "sincerely/with genuine faith/will", not via exerting physical effort.
Glad we agree regarding that! HAND :cool: :love:
 
Yes, understanding "with all our heart" to mean "sincerely/with genuine faith/will", not via exerting physical effort.
Glad we agree regarding that! HAND :cool::love:

Probably doesn't matter if you and I agree, it matters that we both agree with Him
blessings
 
Do you see that you disagree with the Romans passages I cited in #142?
Please understand/see that I DO see God loving everyone unconditionally per Scripture teaching that truth (John 3:16a, etc.),
AND I see God forgiving only those who satisfy His condition for salvation per Scripture teaching THAT truth (John 3:16b, etc.).
I am encouraging you also to believe BOTH sets of Scriptural teachings (John 3:16a&b).
Perhaps part of the problem is your indiscriminate use of "us", which SHOULD refer only to believers
when speaking of forgiveness. I assume you do not believe everyone is saved?

Believe as you choose, I see I used to live like a refugee, I see new in this love for us all given by God not me or anyone else thank you
 
Believe as you choose, I see I used to live like a refugee, I see new in this love for us all given by God not me or anyone else thank you

Well, as shittim pointed out, we both need to agree with God’s Word regarding his condition/requirement for salvation or being welcomed into heaven.
 
No, I equate GW with the HS, who was incarnate as Jesus, and who indwells the minds of believers as they learn GW (1Cor. 3:16)--
and who fills the hearts of believers when they are fully loving (Rom. 5:5). Not sure why you think I would divorce them when that is what I accused you of being close to doing (nor should we divorce the mind and heart)!

So, with this understanding, what do you think of the verses I cited in #139?
I took the time to look up and copy/paste all the text for the verses you referenced to see what you might be thinking. Then I started a lengthy post to discuss each verse. But I decided to scrap that idea and replace it with this sentence: "I think, as you have indicated, that you are using logical inference to equate Jesus and the Holy Spirit with lógos." I still believe that is an accurate statement. And it is substantially the same as what you said above: "I equate GW with the HS, who was incarnate as Jesus".

I did not say that I thought your logic was in error. There is still room for agreement depending on how far you go with ascribing life to God's words. The verses you referenced appear to be support for a logical inference that animates (i.e., "gives life") to "truth" in the form of GW. That would be an error. And it is why i asked your opinion on Hebrews 4:12.

The problem here is that when the Bible says things like "I am the truth" (John 14:6) and "the Spirit is truth" (1 Jn 5:6) and "Your word is truth" (Jn 17:17) and "Your law is truth" (PS 119:42) and "all Your commandments are truth" (PS 119:51) and "all of whos works are truth" (Dan 4:37), we can not logically conclude that Jesus, the Holy Spirit, God's word, God's law, God's commandments, and all God's works are all co-equal members of the Godhead. God is true (Jn 3:33). And everything God does and says is true. There is nothing about truth that either expands or contracts the Godhead. It simply describes it. The same goes for other things said of God... God is love, God is light, God is life, God is a consuming fire. No members of the Godhead can be separated from these things nor can they merged into one because of them.
 
I took the time to look up and copy/paste all the text for the verses you referenced to see what you might be thinking. Then I started a lengthy post to discuss each verse. But I decided to scrap that idea and replace it with this sentence: "I think, as you have indicated, that you are using logical inference to equate Jesus and the Holy Spirit with lógos." I still believe that is an accurate statement. And it is substantially the same as what you said above: "I equate GW with the HS, who was incarnate as Jesus".

I did not say that I thought your logic was in error. There is still room for agreement depending on how far you go with ascribing life to God's words. The verses you referenced appear to be support for a logical inference that animates (i.e., "gives life") to "truth" in the form of GW. That would be an error. And it is why i asked your opinion on Hebrews 4:12.

The problem here is that when the Bible says things like "I am the truth" (John 14:6) and "the Spirit is truth" (1 Jn 5:6) and "Your word is truth" (Jn 17:17) and "Your law is truth" (PS 119:42) and "all Your commandments are truth" (PS 119:51) and "all of whos works are truth" (Dan 4:37), we can not logically conclude that Jesus, the Holy Spirit, God's word, God's law, God's commandments, and all God's works are all co-equal members of the Godhead. God is true (Jn 3:33). And everything God does and says is true. There is nothing about truth that either expands or contracts the Godhead. It simply describes it. The same goes for other things said of God... God is love, God is light, God is life, God is a consuming fire. No members of the Godhead can be separated from these things nor can they merged into one because of them.

I am glad you think my logic is correct, and I agree that the many ways to describe God do not mean there are many gods.
Not sure why you said giving life to truth in the form of GW would be an error, when Hebrews 4:12 seems to support such belief.

I also agree that no members of the Godhead can be separated from these things nor can they merged into one because of them,
which is why I prefer viewing the Godhead in terms of three ways God relates to humanity.
 
I am glad you think my logic is correct
I didn't say that. I said I was holding off judgement on the issue until I had obtained additional information.
and I agree that the many ways to describe God do not mean there are many gods.
Not sure why you said giving life to truth in the form of GW would be an error, when Hebrews 4:12 seems to support such belief.
Because it is clear that the passage is referring to God Himself being alive and not to the words that proceed out of His mouth. This is most obvious in verse 13 which says, "And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account" (Heb 4:13). This is another case where the Bible uses "the Word of God" as a reference to God Himself. It does not point to His words as being alive or as having life. Clarification on this point is the additional information I was looking for.
I also agree that no members of the Godhead can be separated from these things nor can they merged into one because of them, which is why I prefer viewing the Godhead in terms of three ways God relates to humanity.
There is a name for this particular view of the Trinity, but I can't put my finger on it.
 
I didn't say that. I said I was holding off judgement on the issue until I had obtained additional information.

Because it is clear that the passage is referring to God Himself being alive and not to the words that proceed out of His mouth. This is most obvious in verse 13 which says, "And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account" (Heb 4:13). This is another case where the Bible uses "the Word of God" as a reference to God Himself. It does not point to His words as being alive or as having life. Clarification on this point is the additional information I was looking for.
There is a name for this particular view of the Trinity, but I can't put my finger on it.

You said "I did not say that I thought your logic was in error", but I see you meant that you were holding off judgment.
Yes, the passage refers to God Himself being alive, but I guess you judge it to mean His words themselves are dead.
So, have you found the additional information and what is your judgment?
The name for my view of the Trinity is "Scriptural" as follows:

The OT Shema (Deut. 6:4) teaches that God is one, and the NT also affirms that there is one God (Eph. 4:6, 1Tim. 2:5). However, the NT teaches that God relates to believers in three ways simultaneously: as the Father, as the Son and as the Holy Spirit (1 x 1 x 1=1).

The Father/Parenthood of God is indicated in Jesus’ model prayer (Matt. 6:9), throughout the Gospel of John (3:35, 5:17-18, etc.), and in the epistles of Paul (Rom. 4:11, 8:15, Phil. 2:11). God the Father and Christ’s Sonship are discussed in Hebrews 1:1-4. The Son of God also is mentioned by John (John 1:14, 3:16, etc.) and by Paul (Rom. 1:4, Gal. 2:20, 1Thes. 1:10). The Holy Spirit is mentioned in three successive chapters in John (John 14:26, 15:26, 16:13), frequently in the book of Acts (Acts 1:5, 2:4, 9:17, 13:2, 19:2), and in many of Paul’s letters (Rom. 8:4-26, 1Cor. 6:19, Eph. 4:30) as well as in some of the other epistles (2Pet. 1:21, Jude 20).

Apparently, Mohammed (c. 610) did not understand how God is able to relate to Himself and to creation as a Triunity, and so his teaching stressed that there is one God and implied that the Christian gospel is false. It might have been helpful for him and others who stumble at NT doctrines to discern which aspect of the triune God is the subject of various biblical statements.

These divine aspects or “persons” may be distinguished by role: God the Father as creator or initiator (Gen. 1:1), God the Son as Messiah or mediator (1Tim. 2:5), and God the Spirit as indweller (Rom. 5:5). For example, 1 John 4:7 says love comes from (is initiated by) God (the Father), Galatians 5:22 says that love is a fruit of the (indwelling) Spirit, and Ephesians 3:18 speaks of the (mediating) love of Christ (Rom. 5:8, Eph. 2:18).

We can denote these distinctions by the use of three prepositions: God the Father is over all creation (Eph. 4:6), God the Son is Immanuel or with humanity (Matt. 1:23), and the Holy Spirit is within all believers (Eph. 1:13). A single passage that comes closest to indicating this distinction is Ephesians 3:14-19, in which Paul prays to the Father that through His Spirit of love Christ would dwell in believers’ hearts (also see 1Cor. 8:6).

When the Bible uses masculine words for God, it should be understood that only God the Son is human and had a sexual orientation while on earth. Gen 1:26-27 states that both male and female were created in God’s image, referring not to androgyny but to personality, and Jesus said (in Matt. 22:30 & 19:11-12) that there is no marriage and thus no need for sexuality in heaven.

Actually, since the creation also manifests God (Rom. 1:20, cf. John 1:1-3 & Psa. 33:6), in a sense God may be viewed as a “Quadity”. As Paul told the Athenians (Acts 17:28), “In Him we live and move and have our being.” God as Creation is throughout physical reality (called “panentheism”). However, since this mode of revelation is impersonal, it has rightly been de-emphasized by most Christian denominations lest it lead to pantheism.
 
You said "I did not say that I thought your logic was in error", but I see you meant that you were holding off judgment.
Yes, the passage refers to God Himself being alive, but I guess you judge it to mean His words themselves are dead.
So, have you found the additional information and what is your judgment?
The name for my view of the Trinity is "Scriptural" as follows:

The OT Shema (Deut. 6:4) teaches that God is one, and the NT also affirms that there is one God (Eph. 4:6, 1Tim. 2:5). However, the NT teaches that God relates to believers in three ways simultaneously: as the Father, as the Son and as the Holy Spirit (1 x 1 x 1=1).

The Father/Parenthood of God is indicated in Jesus’ model prayer (Matt. 6:9), throughout the Gospel of John (3:35, 5:17-18, etc.), and in the epistles of Paul (Rom. 4:11, 8:15, Phil. 2:11). God the Father and Christ’s Sonship are discussed in Hebrews 1:1-4. The Son of God also is mentioned by John (John 1:14, 3:16, etc.) and by Paul (Rom. 1:4, Gal. 2:20, 1Thes. 1:10). The Holy Spirit is mentioned in three successive chapters in John (John 14:26, 15:26, 16:13), frequently in the book of Acts (Acts 1:5, 2:4, 9:17, 13:2, 19:2), and in many of Paul’s letters (Rom. 8:4-26, 1Cor. 6:19, Eph. 4:30) as well as in some of the other epistles (2Pet. 1:21, Jude 20).

Apparently, Mohammed (c. 610) did not understand how God is able to relate to Himself and to creation as a Triunity, and so his teaching stressed that there is one God and implied that the Christian gospel is false. It might have been helpful for him and others who stumble at NT doctrines to discern which aspect of the triune God is the subject of various biblical statements.

These divine aspects or “persons” may be distinguished by role: God the Father as creator or initiator (Gen. 1:1), God the Son as Messiah or mediator (1Tim. 2:5), and God the Spirit as indweller (Rom. 5:5). For example, 1 John 4:7 says love comes from (is initiated by) God (the Father), Galatians 5:22 says that love is a fruit of the (indwelling) Spirit, and Ephesians 3:18 speaks of the (mediating) love of Christ (Rom. 5:8, Eph. 2:18).

We can denote these distinctions by the use of three prepositions: God the Father is over all creation (Eph. 4:6), God the Son is Immanuel or with humanity (Matt. 1:23), and the Holy Spirit is within all believers (Eph. 1:13). A single passage that comes closest to indicating this distinction is Ephesians 3:14-19, in which Paul prays to the Father that through His Spirit of love Christ would dwell in believers’ hearts (also see 1Cor. 8:6).

When the Bible uses masculine words for God, it should be understood that only God the Son is human and had a sexual orientation while on earth. Gen 1:26-27 states that both male and female were created in God’s image, referring not to androgyny but to personality, and Jesus said (in Matt. 22:30 & 19:11-12) that there is no marriage and thus no need for sexuality in heaven.

Actually, since the creation also manifests God (Rom. 1:20, cf. John 1:1-3 & Psa. 33:6), in a sense God may be viewed as a “Quadity”. As Paul told the Athenians (Acts 17:28), “In Him we live and move and have our being.” God as Creation is throughout physical reality (called “panentheism”). However, since this mode of revelation is impersonal, it has rightly been de-emphasized by most Christian denominations lest it lead to pantheism.

I have asked you prior,
Do you have a personal relationship between Father, Son and you? please answer yes or not, thank you
 
I have asked you prior,
Do you have a personal relationship between Father, Son and you? please answer yes or not, thank you

Yes, indeed, for 65 years. I have no idea why you needed to ask,
especially since you seem to believe that God's forgiveness is unconditional!
Perhaps I should I be asking the same of you?
 
Yes, indeed, for 65 years. I have no idea why you needed to ask,
especially since you seem to believe that God's forgiveness is unconditional!
Perhaps I should I be asking the same of you?

Yes, Father, Son and Holy Spirit are the gift given me to see and stand in belief to his love and mercy for all
The cross is done, that has taken place, all in that cross of Son are now forgiven, reconciled by God Father though Son. Everyone is made new by God through this truth given , once one believes Farther personally first and foremost.
Col1:21-23 God sees no more sin in the way, in order to give us new life in his love and mercy of Son for us all, to choose to believe, thank you that you believe too, God simply loves us all, and. continues too.
I am not fighting you as it seems you think I am, and we do disagree on forgiveness is for all.
I know from God forgiveness is for all, all but unbelief to this done work of God for them in risen Son to them
No work of self can ever get anyone in, not possible.
I have suspicions of you, I admit, and am careful and do not hear total truth through you. Yet I know God loves you, me and everyone else continuously anyways, whether another person believes God yet or not
Otherwise that cross Jesus went to willingly, would have been in vain. And is not in Vain. Believe, receive and see the risen Son flow in your Veins, not in vein any longer, as that is what first birth is in Vain. Need the second birth John 4:23-24
then I read 1 Cor 15 and see deeper in thanks giving and praise to God over myself and anyone else/ it is amazing to me God loves us all y'all
Just does and once I restarted right there in thanksgiving and praise, I have watched sin fall away and be gone, yet still try to come back and can't, thanks to God alone, not me ever or anyone else. staying in safely with Father and Son, not of any of myself getting in the way again anymore, and not saying it won't either, saying standing in trust to Father daily, learning this anyways daily deeper and deeper
Which I hear you are doing, please stop and see God love us all and rest in his grace for you to trust God to bring home the sheep thank you, not you trying to do it using scripture to get to be a leader, no thank you
That is what I hear you are trying to do, get followers of you in god through you, as if you are the way, truth and life
If I am wrong, I hope so, yet I do not get that from your posts
I am seeing what I am seeing and not accusing or condemning you
Galatians 6:1-9
 
Yes, Father, Son and Holy Spirit are the gift given me to see and stand in belief to his love and mercy for all
The cross is done, that has taken place, all in that cross of Son are now forgiven, reconciled by God Father though Son. Everyone is made new by God through this truth given , once one believes Farther personally first and foremost.
Col1:21-23 God sees no more sin in the way, in order to give us new life in his love and mercy of Son for us all, to choose to believe, thank you that you believe too, God simply loves us all, and. continues too.
I am not fighting you as it seems you think I am, and we do disagree on forgiveness is for all.
I know from God forgiveness is for all, all but unbelief to this done work of God for them in risen Son to them
No work of self can ever get anyone in, not possible.
I have suspicions of you, I admit, and am careful and do not hear total truth through you. Yet I know God loves you, me and everyone else continuously anyways, whether another person believes God yet or not
Otherwise that cross Jesus went to willingly, would have been in vain. And is not in Vain. Believe, receive and see the risen Son flow in your Veins, not in vein any longer, as that is what first birth is in Vain. Need the second birth John 4:23-24
then I read 1 Cor 15 and see deeper in thanks giving and praise to God over myself and anyone else/ it is amazing to me God loves us all y'all
Just does and once I restarted right there in thanksgiving and praise, I have watched sin fall away and be gone, yet still try to come back and can't, thanks to God alone, not me ever or anyone else. staying in safely with Father and Son, not of any of myself getting in the way again anymore, and not saying it won't either, saying standing in trust to Father daily, learning this anyways daily deeper and deeper
Which I hear you are doing, please stop and see God love us all and rest in his grace for you to trust God to bring home the sheep thank you, not you trying to do it using scripture to get to be a leader, no thank you
That is what I hear you are trying to do, get followers of you in god through you, as if you are the way, truth and life
If I am wrong, I hope so, yet I do not get that from your posts
I am seeing what I am seeing and not accusing or condemning you
Galatians 6:1-9

Okay, but I did not realize until now that you are one of those who ignore/disbelieve so much clear Scripture teaching,
and of course if you ignore/disbelieve GW regarding the condition/requirement for salvation you are going to ignore/disbelieve me saying that my reason for participating on CC is simply to share my fallible faith with others, hoping they will find what I have learned helpful for understanding ultimate truth, so all I can do is place my bet that you are wrong and say "happy trails"! :D
 
You said "I did not say that I thought your logic was in error", but I see you meant that you were holding off judgment.
Yes, the passage refers to God Himself being alive, but I guess you judge it to mean His words themselves are dead.
Words are inanimate and can not be described as being dead or alive. Any allusion to such is metaphorical in one way or anlother.
So, have you found the additional information and what is your judgment?
When you say, "Yes, the passage refers to God Himself being alive", it leads me in one direction. But when you say, "I guess you judge it to mean His words themselves are dead", it leads me in another. I'll go with the first and conclude that it clears up the matter.
The name for my view of the Trinity is "Scriptural" as follows:
Modalism was the word I was trying to remember.