The Holy Spirit/God's Word

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The Spirit Himself is the one who bears witness/testifies that we are His children (Ro 8:16). If HS=GW, then saying HS communicates via GW is saying HS communicates through HS, which does not make any sense. It would make sense if GW=the words contained in the Bible. Then, HS communicates through GW would mean HS communicates through what is written in the Bible. And then the follow-on phrase ("such as the verse you cited") would make sense. So now, I am thinking you really mean GW=the Bible (plus other reveleations, like creation). At least that's how you seem to be using GW here.

Well, my understanding is that the HS/GW inspired the writers of Scripture (2Tim. 3:15-17),
so the HS/GW communicates via earthly languages, but human fallibility during transmission through the years
means the HS/GW and the Bible cannot be equated exactly, only sufficiently enough to accomplish God's will/plan of salvation.
What is your understanding?
 
Yes, "God loves us all", and yes, His "condition" for forgiveness "is for people to see God only wants what is good for each person".

Oops, I do not find a Scripture supporting the last part!
Instead, I find Acts 16:31, etc.

Yes, Believe, receive and see relief from Daddy, thank you, no have to do it. This is a choice, not I better or else flesh attitude as was in the first testament under Law my tutor. If I have to, then I have not chosen the risen Son for me to be relieved from stress, I then have to be under Law and be perfect in under Law, I am not anyone else perfect at all besides Father and Son for them? I need God's salvation provided for us all in Son as risen for us all to be given new life by Father, Daddy, PaPa as well as others too, thank you
I do not make void the Law, I uphold the Law as good for me to see I heed God's lead through me in love and mercy to all, the same as Son has already done at the cross for us all, thanks
 
Yes, Believe, receive and see relief from Daddy, thank you, no have to do it. This is a choice, not I better or else flesh attitude as was in the first testament under Law my tutor. If I have to, then I have not chosen the risen Son for me to be relieved from stress, I then have to be under Law and be perfect in under Law, I am not anyone else perfect at all besides Father and Son for them? I need God's salvation provided for us all in Son as risen for us all to be given new life by Father, Daddy, PaPa as well as others too, thank you
I do not make void the Law, I uphold the Law as good for me to see I heed God's lead through me in love and mercy to all, the same as Son has already done at the cross for us all, thanks

I will take "Yes" as meaning we are in agreement that God's salvation is provided for all who are in the Son via satisfying GRFS
aka His condition of faith in Jesus as Messiah and Lord. (Acts 16:30, Eph. 2:8-9, Rom. 3:21-5:1) Yay! :love:
 
I will take "Yes" as meaning we are in agreement that God's salvation is provided for all who are in the Son via satisfying GRFS
aka His condition of faith in Jesus as Messiah and Lord. (Acts 16:30, Eph. 2:8-9, Rom. 3:21-5:1) Yay! :love:

the only way, the only true truth in love and mercy to us all
Seeing we are not under Sin anymore? What!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We are under new, where Father takes us in now, since Son took away sin for us all, we are reconciled, not yet saved, until belief stands and does not leave a person, anyone, one and many maturing (Hebrews 5:12-6)
We start sealed by God to see truth over error(s) Eph 1:13, to see verses 6,7
Accepted, forgiven by God and then sealed by God to see new, God the teacher now over self and anyone else, at least me 1 John 2:27, Phil 3:1-20.
Which takes time to see not letting go of God all in all, like being a Job in the book of Job. Each person at different stages of maturity and not the ever think anyone is better off than anyone else at least to me this I see, God having no respect of persons, not one better than any other ever, as in Luke 18:9-14 reveals to me to not be proud, or guilty anymore. To now take everything to Daddy, PaPa, Father to get taught new in each and every mistake I ever make and have made. Putting past behind me so fast.
There is no time to repent over and over again as religion teaches in error to do to people, keeping people away from the freedom offered them (Col 2). It is done for us all by Son, to turn to God Father and believe Daddy will teach us right over wrong, as one responds in thanksgiving and praise, seeing the prophecy of Psalm 103:12 as now done by Son for us to be new in the risen One for us?
Do you believe this too about Dad, Father, PaPa's love and mercy for us all given by Son for us all?
If do, thank you, if not okay too. We each are given God's truth to choose and learn from as well as everyone else too. If not then free choice would not be a reality would it?
 
Well, my understanding is that the HS/GW inspired the writers of Scripture (2Tim. 3:15-17),
so the HS/GW communicates via earthly languages, but human fallibility during transmission through the years
means the HS/GW and the Bible cannot be equated exactly, only sufficiently enough to accomplish God's will/plan of salvation.
What is your understanding?
I believe the Holy Spirit is "the Spirit", "the Spirit of God", and "the Spirit of Christ" mentioned interchangeably in Romans 8:9 as living in the hearts of those who belong to God. His presence in a person's heart is despositive for determining whether a person is alive to God or dead in his sins (Ro 8:9-10).

When speaking of the One who lives in our hearts, we are not wrong if/when we refer to Him as God the Father (Eph 4:6, 2 Cor 6:16, 1 Jn 4:12), or as Jesus or Christ (Ro 8:10, Gal 2:20, Eph 3:17, Col 1:27), or as the Holy Spirit (1 Cor 6:19, 2 Tim 1:14, Jas 4:5), or "the "Spirit of God" (1 Cor 3:16, Eph 4:30), or "His Holy Spirit" (1 Thess 4:8), or "the Spirit of His Son" (Gal 4:6), or “the Spirit of God” or "the Spirit of Christ” (Ro 8:9).

The upshot of all these things, of course, is that it does not matter what name we use for God when we say He lives in our hearts. We might use God, the Father, Jesus, the Son of God, the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God, or the Spirit of Christ. But no matter what name we use, when we say, “God lives in our hearts,” we intend to include them all in our statement. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit live in our hearts.

God cannot be equated with anything He created. For instance, He carved some tablets out of stone and wrote ten commandments on them with His finger. When Moses looked at those stones and at the ten cammandments, He was not looking at God. He was looking at something God wrote. God could have animated those stones so that in addition to having the ten commandments written on it, they could cry out repeatedly in an infinite loop the ten commandments in words understandable in every language. And even then, those speaking stones would not be God. God is infinitely greater than any of His creations could ever be.
 
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I believe the Holy Spirit is "the Spirit", "the Spirit of God", and "the Spirit of Christ" mentioned interchangeably in Romans 8:9 as living in the hearts of those who belong to God. His presence in a person's heart is despositive for determining whether a person is alive to God or dead in his sins (Ro 8:9-10).

When speaking of the One who lives in our hearts, we are not wrong if/when we refer to Him as God the Father (Eph 4:6, 2 Cor 6:16, 1 Jn 4:12), or as Jesus or Christ (Ro 8:10, Gal 2:20, Eph 3:17, Col 1:27), or as the Holy Spirit (1 Cor 6:19, 2 Tim 1:14, Jas 4:5), or "the "Spirit of God" (1 Cor 3:16, Eph 4:30), or "His Holy Spirit" (1 Thess 4:8), or "the Spirit of His Son" (Gal 4:6), or “the Spirit of God” or "the Spirit of Christ” (Ro 8:9).

The upshot of all these things, of course, is that it does not matter what name we use for God when we say He lives in our hearts. We might use God, the Father, Jesus, the Son of God, the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God, or the Spirit of Christ. But no matter what name we use, when we say, “God lives in our hearts,” we intend to include them all in our statement. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit live in our hearts.

God cannot be equated with anything He created. For instance, He carved some tablets out of stone and wrote ten commandments on them with His finger. When Moses looked at those stones and at the ten cammandments, He was not looking at God. He was looking at something God wrote. God could have animated those stones so that in addition to having the ten commandments written on it, they could cry out repeatedly in an infinite loop the ten commandments in words understandable in every language. And even then, those speaking stones would not be God. God is infinitely greater than any of His creations could ever be.

God simply lovingly, in mercy Loves us all
Time to respond to God Thank you and one becomes ne win the same love and mercy given by Son first for them
Thanks to Father, and Son for us, otherwise I stand no chance at all
 
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the only way, the only true truth in love and mercy to us all
Seeing we are not under Sin anymore? What!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We are under new, where Father takes us in now, since Son took away sin for us all, we are reconciled, not yet saved, until belief stands and does not leave a person, anyone, one and many maturing (Hebrews 5:12-6)
We start sealed by God to see truth over error(s) Eph 1:13, to see verses 6,7
Accepted, forgiven by God and then sealed by God to see new, God the teacher now over self and anyone else, at least me 1 John 2:27, Phil 3:1-20.
Which takes time to see not letting go of God all in all, like being a Job in the book of Job. Each person at different stages of maturity and not the ever think anyone is better off than anyone else at least to me this I see, God having no respect of persons, not one better than any other ever, as in Luke 18:9-14 reveals to me to not be proud, or guilty anymore. To now take everything to Daddy, PaPa, Father to get taught new in each and every mistake I ever make and have made. Putting past behind me so fast.
There is no time to repent over and over again as religion teaches in error to do to people, keeping people away from the freedom offered them (Col 2). It is done for us all by Son, to turn to God Father and believe Daddy will teach us right over wrong, as one responds in thanksgiving and praise, seeing the prophecy of Psalm 103:12 as now done by Son for us to be new in the risen One for us?
Do you believe this too about Dad, Father, PaPa's love and mercy for us all given by Son for us all?
If do, thank you, if not okay too. We each are given God's truth to choose and learn from as well as everyone else too. If not then free choice would not be a reality would it?

I believe GW teaches that God/Father/Daddy loves everyone unconditionally, but receiving His mercy/forgiveness
is conditional upon accepting Christ per the Scripture I cited (aka GRFS), and sinners are free to satisfy GRFS or not.
Those who do are sealed/saved/elect/etc.
Do you believe this too?
 
I believe the Holy Spirit is "the Spirit", "the Spirit of God", and "the Spirit of Christ" mentioned interchangeably in Romans 8:9 as living in the hearts of those who belong to God. His presence in a person's heart is despositive for determining whether a person is alive to God or dead in his sins (Ro 8:9-10).

When speaking of the One who lives in our hearts, we are not wrong if/when we refer to Him as God the Father (Eph 4:6, 2 Cor 6:16, 1 Jn 4:12), or as Jesus or Christ (Ro 8:10, Gal 2:20, Eph 3:17, Col 1:27), or as the Holy Spirit (1 Cor 6:19, 2 Tim 1:14, Jas 4:5), or "the "Spirit of God" (1 Cor 3:16, Eph 4:30), or "His Holy Spirit" (1 Thess 4:8), or "the Spirit of His Son" (Gal 4:6), or “the Spirit of God” or "the Spirit of Christ” (Ro 8:9).

The upshot of all these things, of course, is that it does not matter what name we use for God when we say He lives in our hearts. We might use God, the Father, Jesus, the Son of God, the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God, or the Spirit of Christ. But no matter what name we use, when we say, “God lives in our hearts,” we intend to include them all in our statement. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit live in our hearts.

God cannot be equated with anything He created. For instance, He carved some tablets out of stone and wrote ten commandments on them with His finger. When Moses looked at those stones and at the ten cammandments, He was not looking at God. He was looking at something God wrote. God could have animated those stones so that in addition to having the ten commandments written on it, they could cry out repeatedly in an infinite loop the ten commandments in words understandable in every language. And even then, those speaking stones would not be God. God is infinitely greater than any of His creations could ever be.

I agree that the Holy Spirit is "the Spirit", "the Spirit of God", and "the Spirit of Christ" mentioned interchangeably in Romans 8:9 as living in the hearts of those who belong to God and that His presence in a person's heart determines whether a person is alive to God or dead in his sins (Ro 8:9-10).

I also agree that when speaking of the One who lives in our hearts, we are not wrong if/when we refer to Him as God the Father (Eph 4:6, 2 Cor 6:16, 1 Jn 4:12), or as Jesus or Christ (Ro 8:10, Gal 2:20, Eph 3:17, Col 1:27), or as the Holy Spirit (1 Cor 6:19, 2 Tim 1:14, Jas 4:5), or "the "Spirit of God" (1 Cor 3:16, Eph 4:30), or "His Holy Spirit" (1 Thess 4:8), or "the Spirit of His Son" (Gal 4:6), or “the Spirit of God” or "the Spirit of Christ” (Ro 8:9). All of these terms are essentially synonymous and so using one term implies all of the others.

Yes, God cannot be equated with anything He created, whether it is the ten commandments written on stone tablets or the Bible written on parchment or the revelation via creation.

BTW, I ran across another verse supporting saying that GW = HS: John 1:1, "The Word was God."
HAND
 
I believe GW teaches that God/Father/Daddy loves everyone unconditionally, but receiving His mercy/forgiveness
is conditional upon accepting Christ per the Scripture I cited (aka GRFS), and sinners are free to satisfy GRFS or not.
Those who do are sealed/saved/elect/etc.
Do you believe this too?

God's, love and mercy is for us all to choose God or not, being revealed and made aware to know, as each person knows in themselves knows, whether or not one believes God or not, Romans 8:15-16. Love God Father first, is what changes anyone from being a better person than anyone else as if one knows better, as what is promoted more in religions than God being first above everything else is: Love your neighbor as you love yourself, is promoted in all earthly religions. We are a bunch of do-gooders, not putting God first, yet claim we are. I have been there in religion and have been a better than others person. I am not that anymore, thank you Lord, Luke 18:9-14. Nor am I claiming anyone else to be like that, or that I got it better than others, just claiming God as my Savior the only way, truth and love in mercy and truth for all. I have been there, not anymore, I am talking about my own unredeemed flesh and blood nature, I now daily reckon as dead, thanks to the done work of Father for me in risen Son to me and all people, to either believe God in love and mercy of Son for them or not! Choose is not a have to, if have to, then the choice to is not real is it?
I believe, people in general believe God, and all do not desire to die forever. Mostly people do not desire to die in their own flesh, yet all flesh dies, God calls to save our Souls through Son for us to be dead to first birth under Adam the first, willingly not a have to or else flesh attitude that can't please God at all, Romans 8:3.
I, see this is what Son Jesus did, he went to that cross willingly for us the people to save us in the resurrection of himself by Father through his done perfect work of love and mercy to us all, as proof, he is the way, the truth and new life for us to be given this, free of charge, and those that believe, God knows, These people respond, not being a creator anymore, that in past said look at me, did you see what I did, flesh attitude. Pride is not from God Father and Son, or is it, you decide?
That is the only thing left after the death is to believe, Jesus, took away sin in Father's, Daddy's, PaPa's sight for us to be made new in belief with Father now knowing Daddy, loves us all unconditionally, unconditionally here is, "I" "God" still love you, even if you sin again, "I" "GOD" want to teach you how to love my way, righteously through you, will you be willing too? As Son was who went to that cross once for us all. "I" God am revealing to you this truth through my risen Son for you. To now learn new from any and all mistakes you make. Are we willing to do that now and stop being condemned and condemning to each other and thinking God is condemning us all over again, because we are sinning, not wanting to?
God has signed up a new way for us to now learn from our mistakes, thanks to Son God doing this now for us all, once anyone is willing to God to see, from Daddy, PaPa's, Father's view Romans 12:2. To now see new from Father's view, sincerely loves you too. But, what comes out of our mouths, I just did wrong again, I got mad again and did not want to. I lusted after another and did not want to. Thought comes from religion(s) we are bad and God is not pleased with us, yet God is pleased in Son for us! What a perplexity y'all. Romans 8:1 read the entire chapter please.
Go to Daddy, Father, PaPa in prayer and close your door, and tell Father the truth in how you are feeling, and ask to hear truth and respond in thanksgiving and praise too, and love all as Son did by going to that cross willingly without any flesh fight back
Wow, woe is me Isaiah 6:1-7
 
I agree that the Holy Spirit is "the Spirit", "the Spirit of God", and "the Spirit of Christ" mentioned interchangeably in Romans 8:9 as living in the hearts of those who belong to God and that His presence in a person's heart determines whether a person is alive to God or dead in his sins (Ro 8:9-10).

I also agree that when speaking of the One who lives in our hearts, we are not wrong if/when we refer to Him as God the Father (Eph 4:6, 2 Cor 6:16, 1 Jn 4:12), or as Jesus or Christ (Ro 8:10, Gal 2:20, Eph 3:17, Col 1:27), or as the Holy Spirit (1 Cor 6:19, 2 Tim 1:14, Jas 4:5), or "the "Spirit of God" (1 Cor 3:16, Eph 4:30), or "His Holy Spirit" (1 Thess 4:8), or "the Spirit of His Son" (Gal 4:6), or “the Spirit of God” or "the Spirit of Christ” (Ro 8:9). All of these terms are essentially synonymous and so using one term implies all of the others.

Yes, God cannot be equated with anything He created, whether it is the ten commandments written on stone tablets or the Bible written on parchment or the revelation via creation.

BTW, I ran across another verse supporting saying that GW = HS: John 1:1, "The Word was God."
HAND
I have done a bit of research on this subject. I searched the Scriptures and I looked in BDAG, Louw-Nida Greek-English Lexicon, and The Theological Dictionary of the New Testament. I found no instances where "the Word" or "the Word of God" is a reference to the Holy Spirit. Instead, I see consistency among all these sources that when referring to God, "the Word" points to the pre-existant, historical, and escatological Jesus.

I did find this interesting piece in TDNTA:

3. The lógos in Hellenism.​

a. Stoicism. In Stoicism lógos expresses the ordered and teleologically oriented nature of the cosmos. It can thus be equated with God and with the cosmic power of reason of which the material world is a vast unfolding. Human lógos is a particular part of the universal lógos. The latter achieves awareness in us, thus combining God and humanity into a great cosmos. A later development is the equation of lógos and phýsis (nature) in a fusing of rational and vital force.​

b. Neo-Platonism. Here, too, lógos is shaping power, whether in art or nature. The whole world is lógos as the pure power of form, while things in the world are also lógos in admixture with matter. The one lógos may thus divide into antitheses, but humanity, by its lógos, may attain to true lógos, i.e., the truth of being.​

c. The Mysteries. In relation to deities of revelation lógos takes on a special sense as sacred history, or holy doctrine, or revelation. Gods like Osiris and Hermes are personifications of the lógos or the son of God. The sacred lógos leads to union with deity in which the initiate is also lógos theoú. Another use of lógos is for prayer, the only way whereby one may enter into relation with God.​

d. The Hermes-Logos Theology. In the personification of lógos as Hermes (also Pan, Isis, etc.), there is no incarnation but an equation of the revelatory and cosmogonic principle with a deity, i.e., its hypostatizing as a god. Hermes serves as a mediator or herald of the divine will but also as the great force of conception. Thus lógos is creative potency, the guide and agent of knowledge, increasingly represented as a doctrine of revelation. We see this in the speculations of Hermeticism on creation and revelation, in which lógos is the son of God, the demiurge, which plays the role of an intermediary as an image of deity of which humanity is itself an image, and which forms a trinity with the divine purpose and the cosmos as the seed which the former fashions into the latter.​
[Kittel, G., Friedrich, G., & Bromiley, G. W. (1985). In Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, Abridged in One Volume (pp. 506–507). W.B. Eerdmans.]​

But I also found this entry that suggests mythological personification is a no-no:

One sees from 1 Jn. 1:1 that the use of “word” for Jesus is dynamic. A real word is spoken; hence the use of the neuter “that which” along with the masculine lógos. This protects the equation of Jesus and lógos from mythological personification.​
[Kittel, G., Friedrich, G., & Bromiley, G. W. (1985). In Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, Abridged in One Volume (pp. 512–513). W.B. Eerdmans.]​

I found this entry to be very helpful:

II. Jesus Christ the lógos toú theoú.​
a. Preaching the Christ event is preaching the word, and to receive it is to have faith in Christ. The ministers of the word are eyewitnesses (Lk. 1:2). The word is not just what Jesus said but the mystery of God disclosed in Christ (Col. 1:25ff.). An event, not a concept, underlies this use. Christ is God’s “Yes” in his historical person (2 Cor. 1:19; cf. Rev. 3:14). This shows that Rev. 19:13 is expressing something integral to the whole Christian message when it says that his name is the Word of God.​
[Kittel, G., Friedrich, G., & Bromiley, G. W. (1985). In Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, Abridged in One Volume (p. 512). W.B. Eerdmans.]​
 
God's, love and mercy is for us all to choose God or not, being revealed and made aware to know, as each person knows in themselves knows, whether or not one believes God or not, Romans 8:15-16. Love God Father first, is what changes anyone from being a better person than anyone else as if one knows better, as what is promoted more in religions than God being first above everything else is: Love your neighbor as you love yourself, is promoted in all earthly religions. We are a bunch of do-gooders, not putting God first, yet claim we are. I have been there in religion and have been a better than others person. I am not that anymore, thank you Lord, Luke 18:9-14. Nor am I claiming anyone else to be like that, or that I got it better than others, just claiming God as my Savior the only way, truth and love in mercy and truth for all. I have been there, not anymore, I am talking about my own unredeemed flesh and blood nature, I now daily reckon as dead, thanks to the done work of Father for me in risen Son to me and all people, to either believe God in love and mercy of Son for them or not! Choose is not a have to, if have to, then the choice to is not real is it?
I believe, people in general believe God, and all do not desire to die forever. Mostly people do not desire to die in their own flesh, yet all flesh dies, God calls to save our Souls through Son for us to be dead to first birth under Adam the first, willingly not a have to or else flesh attitude that can't please God at all, Romans 8:3.
I, see this is what Son Jesus did, he went to that cross willingly for us the people to save us in the resurrection of himself by Father through his done perfect work of love and mercy to us all, as proof, he is the way, the truth and new life for us to be given this, free of charge, and those that believe, God knows, These people respond, not being a creator anymore, that in past said look at me, did you see what I did, flesh attitude. Pride is not from God Father and Son, or is it, you decide?
That is the only thing left after the death is to believe, Jesus, took away sin in Father's, Daddy's, PaPa's sight for us to be made new in belief with Father now knowing Daddy, loves us all unconditionally, unconditionally here is, "I" "God" still love you, even if you sin again, "I" "GOD" want to teach you how to love my way, righteously through you, will you be willing too? As Son was who went to that cross once for us all. "I" God am revealing to you this truth through my risen Son for you. To now learn new from any and all mistakes you make. Are we willing to do that now and stop being condemned and condemning to each other and thinking God is condemning us all over again, because we are sinning, not wanting to?
God has signed up a new way for us to now learn from our mistakes, thanks to Son God doing this now for us all, once anyone is willing to God to see, from Daddy, PaPa's, Father's view Romans 12:2. To now see new from Father's view, sincerely loves you too. But, what comes out of our mouths, I just did wrong again, I got mad again and did not want to. I lusted after another and did not want to. Thought comes from religion(s) we are bad and God is not pleased with us, yet God is pleased in Son for us! What a perplexity y'all. Romans 8:1 read the entire chapter please.
Go to Daddy, Father, PaPa in prayer and close your door, and tell Father the truth in how you are feeling, and ask to hear truth and respond in thanksgiving and praise too, and love all as Son did by going to that cross willingly without any flesh fight back
Wow, woe is me Isaiah 6:1-7

I understand what you said in this post as expressing agreement with what I said in a previous post:

GW teaches that God/Father/Daddy loves everyone unconditionally, but receiving His mercy/forgiveness/salvation
is conditional upon accepting/believing in Christ per the Scripture I cited. (And yes, some choose NOT to believe.)

If I understand correctly, then yay good! HAND
:love:
 
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I have done a bit of research on this subject. I searched the Scriptures and I looked in BDAG, Louw-Nida Greek-English Lexicon, and The Theological Dictionary of the New Testament. I found no instances where "the Word" or "the Word of God" is a reference to the Holy Spirit. Instead, I see consistency among all these sources that when referring to God, "the Word" points to the pre-existant, historical, and escatological Jesus.

I did find this interesting piece in TDNTA:

3. The lógos in Hellenism.​

a. Stoicism. In Stoicism lógos expresses the ordered and teleologically oriented nature of the cosmos. It can thus be equated with God and with the cosmic power of reason of which the material world is a vast unfolding. Human lógos is a particular part of the universal lógos. The latter achieves awareness in us, thus combining God and humanity into a great cosmos. A later development is the equation of lógos and phýsis (nature) in a fusing of rational and vital force.​

b. Neo-Platonism. Here, too, lógos is shaping power, whether in art or nature. The whole world is lógos as the pure power of form, while things in the world are also lógos in admixture with matter. The one lógos may thus divide into antitheses, but humanity, by its lógos, may attain to true lógos, i.e., the truth of being.​

c. The Mysteries. In relation to deities of revelation lógos takes on a special sense as sacred history, or holy doctrine, or revelation. Gods like Osiris and Hermes are personifications of the lógos or the son of God. The sacred lógos leads to union with deity in which the initiate is also lógos theoú. Another use of lógos is for prayer, the only way whereby one may enter into relation with God.​

d. The Hermes-Logos Theology. In the personification of lógos as Hermes (also Pan, Isis, etc.), there is no incarnation but an equation of the revelatory and cosmogonic principle with a deity, i.e., its hypostatizing as a god. Hermes serves as a mediator or herald of the divine will but also as the great force of conception. Thus lógos is creative potency, the guide and agent of knowledge, increasingly represented as a doctrine of revelation. We see this in the speculations of Hermeticism on creation and revelation, in which lógos is the son of God, the demiurge, which plays the role of an intermediary as an image of deity of which humanity is itself an image, and which forms a trinity with the divine purpose and the cosmos as the seed which the former fashions into the latter.​
[Kittel, G., Friedrich, G., & Bromiley, G. W. (1985). In Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, Abridged in One Volume (pp. 506–507). W.B. Eerdmans.]​

But I also found this entry that suggests mythological personification is a no-no:

One sees from 1 Jn. 1:1 that the use of “word” for Jesus is dynamic. A real word is spoken; hence the use of the neuter “that which” along with the masculine lógos. This protects the equation of Jesus and lógos from mythological personification.​
[Kittel, G., Friedrich, G., & Bromiley, G. W. (1985). In Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, Abridged in One Volume (pp. 512–513). W.B. Eerdmans.]​

I found this entry to be very helpful:

II. Jesus Christ the lógos toú theoú.​
a. Preaching the Christ event is preaching the word, and to receive it is to have faith in Christ. The ministers of the word are eyewitnesses (Lk. 1:2). The word is not just what Jesus said but the mystery of God disclosed in Christ (Col. 1:25ff.). An event, not a concept, underlies this use. Christ is God’s “Yes” in his historical person (2 Cor. 1:19; cf. Rev. 3:14). This shows that Rev. 19:13 is expressing something integral to the whole Christian message when it says that his name is the Word of God.​
[Kittel, G., Friedrich, G., & Bromiley, G. W. (1985). In Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, Abridged in One Volume (p. 512). W.B. Eerdmans.]​

Well, those sources are wrong to divorce the Triunity and ignore John 1:1, "The Word was God."

Discerning that GW = HS necessitates having the gift of logical inference that connects various Scriptures
such as those I cited and others (cf. Eph. 2:22, 4:4 & 30, 1Pet. 1:11, Rom. 8:9).

Do you agree?
 
I understand what you said in this post as expressing agreement with what I said in a previous post:

GW teaches that God/Father/Daddy loves everyone unconditionally, but receiving His mercy/forgiveness/salvation
is conditional upon accepting/believing in Christ per the Scripture I cited. (And yes, some choose NOT to believe.)

If I understand correctly, then yay good! HAND
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I hear, you believe God in all God loves us all, revealed by Son who is risen for us all, thank you
 
I hear, you believe God in all God loves us all, revealed by Son who is risen for us all, thank you

Yes, I believe "God in all God loves us all, revealed by Son who is risen for us all"
and/but all/some may not satisfy God's conditional forgiveness, which Jesus and Paul called "belief (John 6:29)/faith (Eph. 2:8-9)".
 
Yes, that is part of the discussion.
Your thoughts?

i think the Bible teaches a few different things about how people receive the holy spirit. And shows a few examples also we can learn from

Like this one the first time the gentiles are seen to have received the spirit

“And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:42-44, 46-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

My thoughts are that we can learn the right things from laces like this above or this

“Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:37-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

i think we can learn a lot from just these teo biblical examples from the doctrine of course based upon the things Jesus taught in the gospel . In a bible discussion forum it should be about what the Bible teaches . I only had asked because of the answers you were getting .
 
i think the Bible teaches a few different things about how people receive the holy spirit. And shows a few examples also we can learn from

Like this one the first time the gentiles are seen to have received the spirit

“And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:42-44, 46-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

My thoughts are that we can learn the right things from laces like this above or this

“Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:37-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

i think we can learn a lot from just these teo biblical examples from the doctrine of course based upon the things Jesus taught in the gospel . In a bible discussion forum it should be about what the Bible teaches . I only had asked because of the answers you were getting .

The first passage certainly is the way I learned it happens during my Baptist upbringing:
1. The Gospel is preached.
2. Whosoever is free to believe or not.
3. Those who believe receive remission/forgiveness of sins.
4. At the moment of saving faith believers receive the Holy Spirit.
5. After believing, being baptized in water is a good way to profess such saving faith.

My thought is that the second passage would not contradict the first one if Peter had said,
"Hear the word, repent and receive the Holy Spirit for the forgiveness of sins every one of you, then
be baptized in water in the name of Jesus Christ to profess your faith."
But Luke records Peter as NOT saying that, so here we all are, debating until kingdom come!
 
Well, those sources are wrong to divorce the Triunity and ignore John 1:1, "The Word was God."

Discerning that GW = HS necessitates having the gift of logical inference that connects various Scriptures
such as those I cited and others (cf. Eph. 2:22, 4:4 & 30, 1Pet. 1:11, Rom. 8:9).

Do you agree?
It is not possible to completely divide the trinity into three members, and it is not possible to completely merge them into one. There are three members, and they are one. The fact that Scripture referrs only to Jesus as having the name "the Word of God" strongly suggests it is reserved for Him.

Even though we disagree, I really do appreciate your willingness to discuss this.
 
It is not possible to completely divide the trinity into three members, and it is not possible to completely merge them into one. There are three members, and they are one. The fact that Scripture referrs only to Jesus as having the name "the Word of God" strongly suggests it is reserved for Him.

Even though we disagree, I really do appreciate your willingness to discuss this.

Ditto, and I think you are divorcing more than merging, not only in terms of the Word being truth in John 1:14&17
but also John 14:6, 16:13 & 17:17, 1John 5:6, Luke 4:1, Col. 1:25 and Eph. 6:17.

What about those?
 
Ditto, and I think you are divorcing more than merging, not only in terms of the Word being truth in John 1:14&17
but also John 14:6, 16:13 & 17:17, 1John 5:6, Luke 4:1, Col. 1:25 and Eph. 6:17.

What about those?

I think, as you have indicated, that you are using logical inference to equate Jesus and the Holy Spirit with lógos. I do not know if your POV rises to the level of mythological personification. But there are indications in what you say that you believe GW is alive -- not in terms of GW being another name for Jesus or the Holy Spirit, but as having a separate life of it's own. Perhaps you can explain Hebrews 4:12's statement that "The word of God is living".
 
I think, as you have indicated, that you are using logical inference to equate Jesus and the Holy Spirit with lógos. I do not know if your POV rises to the level of mythological personification. But there are indications in what you say that you believe GW is alive -- not in terms of GW being another name for Jesus or the Holy Spirit, but as having a separate life of it's own. Perhaps you can explain Hebrews 4:12's statement that "The word of God is living".

No, I equate GW with the HS, who was incarnate as Jesus, and who indwells the minds of believers as they learn GW (1Cor. 3:16)--
and who fills the hearts of believers when they are fully loving (Rom. 5:5). Not sure why you think I would divorce them when that is what I accused you of being close to doing (nor should we divorce the mind and heart)!

So, with this understanding, what do you think of the verses I cited in #139?