Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
In the format he created it's easy to check what words mean and IMO put together a better sense of what the text is actually saying rather than trust what theologians create, who have their own biases and many aren't even beleivers. I don't agree with his translation of every word; for instance he uses favor instead of grace.
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You can have your one-man bible. And "theologians" did not put together the various other translations. Their primary credentials were in the original bible languages. And how does your one language "expert" escape the label of "theologian"?
 
Rufus said:
God's Word is living in hearts God has efficaciously renewed.
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so you do not believe God's Word is a living / powerful Word? ...

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

wow ... sad ...
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Rufus said:
You can have your one-man bible. And "theologians" did not put together the various other translations. Their primary credentials were in the original bible languages. And how does your one language "expert" escape the label of "theologian"?
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Acccurate translations require inspiration from the holy spirit. Being merely an expert in original biblical language is not enough in certain cases.

That is not the only bible I use. I mainly use the KJV, but use that and another interlinear to check when I have doubts or a question.
 
sawdust said:
That's not true. The problem with the reformed position is they think the soul is inherently corrupt and therefore cannot desire life. But the corruption is inherently in the flesh, not the soul. Just because a man lives in darkness doesn't mean he is blind, it means he needs the light. Grace provides that light and does so from the time a man is born into this world. Those who see the light and desire it, are drawn to it like a moth to a flame. They have no idea where it is leading them they only know it is what they prefer over the darkness.
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not only that but at least 2 of them (as of now) do not believe God's Word is a living Word which imparts life.

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
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sawdust said:
That's not true. The problem with the reformed position is they think the soul is inherently corrupt and therefore cannot desire life. But the corruption is inherently in the flesh, not the soul. Just because a man lives in darkness doesn't mean he is blind, it means he needs the light. Grace provides that light and does so from the time a man is born into this world. Those who see the light and desire it, are drawn to it like a moth to a flame. They have no idea where it is leading them they only know it is what they prefer over the darkness.
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The natural man hates the light and refuses to come into the light according to Scripture, quite unlike your take on it... the
natural man is defined as darkness which cannot comprehend the light because it is discerned only through the Spirit.

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Flesh serves the law of sin. For the flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are opposed to each other. Nothing good lives in my flesh. Who can say, “I have kept my heart pure; I am clean and without sin”? Who can bring what is pure from the impure? No one! The flesh brings forth fruit unto death. Romans 7 v 25, Galatians 5 v 17, Romans 7 v 18, Proverbs 20 v 9, Job 14 v 4, Romans 7 v 5 (Romans 8 v 13 and James 1 v 15)
 
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cv5 said:
And this gift is indeed appropriated by faith not works.
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And, if someone is actually walking in biblical faith they produce good works which is evidence or fruit unto salvation.

If one backslides and turns away from the Lord.... sowing to the flesh (sin) causes one to be separated from the Lord which is spiritual death and if they don't repent and come back to the Lord they go to hell even though they were genuinely saved in the beginning.
 
HigherGospel said:
And, if someone is actually walking in biblical faith they produce good works which is evidence or fruit unto salvation.

If one backslides and turns away from the Lord.... sowing to the flesh (sin) causes one to be separated from the Lord which is spiritual death and if they don't repent and come back to the Lord they go to hell even though they were genuinely saved in the beginning.
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It causes them to be out of fellowship with the Lord, it does not cause the adoption to be erased or to be cast out of Christ. They remain in Christ, (if indeed they belonged to Him), but they will come under discipline even to the point of physical death if necessary and be taken home early.
 
Rufus said:
The Gr. term "kosmos" (world) has at least 8 different meanings, O Simple One! And I thought we were discussing Rom 12:3 anyway?
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I love you Brother I truly do. I am looking forward to meeting you in Heaven one day!
 
Rufus said:
That's a lie! Paul never said that in Rom 12:3.

Rom 12:3
3 For by the grace given me I say to every one of YOU: Do not think of Yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of Yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the measure of faith God has given You.
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How does "you" or "yourself" = all humanity w/o exception? You might wanna consider getting your fanciful imagination off steroids. Did Paul address his epistle to all mankind w/o exception? :rolleyes:
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Already addressed and de-Calvinized. As you well know.
 
sawdust said:
It causes them to be out of fellowship with the Lord, it does not cause the adoption to be erased or to be cast out of Christ.
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So Christians can live in sin then and still be in good standing with the Lord?

Is that what you are saying? That darkness can be in God and if we so to the flesh we do not reap corruption (Gal 6:7,8)?




sawdust said:
They remain in Christ, (if indeed they belonged to Him), but they will come under discipline even to the point of physical death if necessary and be taken home early.
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So this is when the OSAS folks claim the Lord puts cancer on people? Maybe the Lord causes them to have a car wreck and be crippled? Maybe the Lord whacks the guy's wife or his dog or something?




sawdust said:
It causes them to be out of fellowship with the Lord
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You know, Adam and Eve were "out of fellowship with the Lord" when they sinned causing them to die spiritually and be separated from the Lord.

But it sounds like in New Testament times we can live in sin and it's all good, right?
 
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1 John 1 v 8-10~ If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the Truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar, and His Word is not in us.
 
Rufus said:
You can have your one-man bible. And "theologians" did not put together the various other translations. Their primary credentials were in the original bible languages. And how does your one language "expert" escape the label of "theologian"?
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When people don't like what scripture says they'll go to extreme lengths to find something that agrees with them.
 
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