Does the Bible teach misogyny?

[pinebeach]

Hopefully, this will not turn into a typical women bashing thread.

Going over the scriptures the op posted, I do not see any other future for it other than woman bashing.

As for the question, no the Bible does not teach misogyny. Men are quite adapt at teaching that themselves and often and sadly enough, call themself a Christian

 

[homwardbound]

Man does this, not God, thanks

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Liberal View of Bible Believing Evangelical Churches

 

[Suze]

It's interesting to think that the Holy Ghost Inspired in the Gospels the account about the feeding of the 4,000 and 5,000 men. We clearly know women and children were present so those numbers could easily be somewhere close to 12,000 and 15,000 human beings Jesus miraculously fed with extremely insignificant portions to begin with.

But the question here is did the Holy Ghost Inspire the Gospel writers to only mention men or was this done by the writers themselves?

This is just a guess on my part , I think that most of the women would have been at home looking after the home and children as that was the traditional way of life then . The men were the ones who were supposed to study the Old Testament as we call it and then instruct their families . Maybe there were some young single women in the audience , maybe even some entire families , mum , dad and children , but I'm guessing it would have been mostly men . Just my thoughts .

 

[Blade]

Not sure why you added "2Thess 2:11-12". I understand some feel this way as the OP posted. You know the 1st thing I thought of.. that came to mind was Eph 5:25 "Husbands, love your wives [seek the highest good for her and surround her with a caring, unselfish love], just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, " something after 41 years oh thank you FATHER for us being together.. I have not mastered.. I work on it every day.

 

[Blade]

Seems my 5min time passed by... OP why post this twice? Same post just days apart maybe delete one

 

[tourist]

Going over the scriptures the op posted, I do not see any other future for it other than woman bashing.

As for the question, no the Bible does not teach misogyny. Men are quite adapt at teaching that themselves and often and sadly enough, call themself a Christian

Yeah, I get where you are coming from.

For example, some married guy who thinks that he is biblically learned, treats his wife as his personal slave. Expects her to ready to serve him at his every whim and desire.

I'm sure that this guy doesn't help out around the house and assist in child rearing either because he considers that to be 'women work'.

He doesn't value her opinion, in fact, tells her to keep that stuff to herself. He believes that his treatment of his wife is for her to be 'biblically submissive'.

Complete nonsense. In fact, abusive.

 

[tourist]

I have not mastered.. I work on it every day.

Me too. Going on 11 years for me.

 

[tourist]

All supposedly based on biblical principles.

Obviously, those that practice such abuse don't have a clue about biblical principles.

 

[Jon777]

Counter point: No one should be allowed to vote. Look at how dumb people are, why should the uneducated public be allowed to decide anything?

Actually, this is a perfect reason to bring back the literacy test in order to vote. Some TV talk shows have put reporters on the street to ask very simple questions about politics, who is running for VP from the Republican Party. It is truly scary that so many people are voting who gave such stupid, ignorant responses, and we permit them to help choose our leaders?

I'll add one other point on voting. For a conservative, strict bible believer, letting a woman vote, allows her to cancel out her husband's voting choice, the husband, who is to be the leader and ruler. Odd, it was not until 1920 that feminists were able to convince enough people that they got the right to vote. Not even the New York Times supported the women in this, and the Christian churches for centuries kept voting rights in a man's hand. How did biblical principles get updated in the over the last 200 years? Has the Bible is what guided the church for at least 1800 previously, until cults and heretics began to multiply in the 19th century.

 

[Dino246]

Actually, this is a perfect reason to bring back the literacy test in order to vote. Some TV talk shows have put reporters on the street to ask very simple questions about politics, who is running for VP from the Republican Party. It is truly scary that so many people are voting who gave such stupid, ignorant responses, and we permit them to help choose our leaders?

I'll add one other point on voting. For a conservative, strict bible believer, letting a woman vote, allows her to cancel out her husband's voting choice, the husband, who is to be the leader and ruler. Odd, it was not until 1920 that feminists were able to convince enough people that they got the right to vote. Not even the New York Times supported the women in this, and the Christian churches for centuries kept voting rights in a man's hand. How did biblical principles get updated in the over the last 200 years? Has the Bible is what guided the church for at least 1800 previously, until cults and heretics began to multiply in the 19th century.

The problem here is your misunderstanding of biblical principles. You actually seem to think women are second-class citizens.

I think the privilege of voting should be restricted, just not on the basis of gender.

 

[Hakawaka]

Actually, this is a perfect reason to bring back the literacy test in order to vote. Some TV talk shows have put reporters on the street to ask very simple questions about politics, who is running for VP from the Republican Party. It is truly scary that so many people are voting who gave such stupid, ignorant responses, and we permit them to help choose our leaders?

I'll add one other point on voting. For a conservative, strict bible believer, letting a woman vote, allows her to cancel out her husband's voting choice, the husband, who is to be the leader and ruler. Odd, it was not until 1920 that feminists were able to convince enough people that they got the right to vote. Not even the New York Times supported the women in this, and the Christian churches for centuries kept voting rights in a man's hand. How did biblical principles get updated in the over the last 200 years? Has the Bible is what guided the church for at least 1800 previously, until cults and heretics began to multiply in the 19th century.

Very true. And look where these 'rights' have gotten us? The churches are in apostasy and the west is in decline.

 

[Dino246]

Very true. And look where these 'rights' have gotten us? The churches are in apostasy and the west is in decline.

Do you think that the extension of voting rights to women is a direct cause of this alleged "apostasy" and the decline in the West?

I don't, and I think that attempting to make such a causal connection is inherently flawed. I think it's even a stretch to suggest that they are separate prongs of the same fork.

 

[Hakawaka]

Do you think that the extension of voting rights to women is a direct cause of this alleged "apostasy" and the decline in the West?

I don't, and I think that attempting to make such a causal connection is inherently flawed. I think it's even a stretch to suggest that they are separate prongs of the same fork.

If you read my previous post, I am of the opinion NO ONE man or woman should be able to vote. Many people have no idea about politics, don't even follow it and vote based upon the dumbest of reasons I have ever heard.

That is why many countries vote left right left right left right. They always fall for the same speeches, and think that if one party or politician cannot fix it within 4 years we need to get a new one, and the cycle repeats. Terrible system. I don't know why America wants to spread democrazy worldwide.

 

[GWH]

If you read my previous post, I am of the opinion NO ONE man or woman should be able to vote. Many people have no idea about politics, don't even follow it and vote based upon the dumbest of reasons I have ever heard.

That is why many countries vote left right left right left right. They always fall for the same speeches, and think that if one party or politician cannot fix it within 4 years we need to get a new one, and the cycle repeats. Terrible system. I don't know why America wants to spread democrazy worldwide.

Not sure which post you referenced, but I note that your vote/opinion was just shared in this post.
The American ideal derived from the desire for freedom to worship Christ, and it is right to desire such freedom to be worldwide
so that the Gospel can be taught to all nations as Christ commanded, but unfortunately that ideal has been corrupted by unbelieving politicians, mainly Muslims and Marxist Democrats.

 

[Suze]

Not sure which post you referenced, but I note that your vote/opinion was just shared in this post.
The American ideal derived from the desire for freedom to worship Christ, and it is right to desire such freedom to be worldwide
so that the Gospel can be taught to all nations as Christ commanded, but unfortunately that ideal has been corrupted by unbelieving politicians, mainly Muslims and Marxist Democrats.

God rules even in those kingdoms of men , Psalm 75 , James Ch 4 V 4 , Romans Ch 8 V 28 .

 

[GWH]

God rules even in those kingdoms of men , Psalm 75 , James Ch 4 V 4 , Romans Ch 8 V 28 .

Well, God rules in the hearts of believing men and women (Col. 3:15, Heb. 10:16, 2Cor. 3:3),
but He allows souls including kings to reject His Lordship during the earthly time of testing human hearts
(Psa. 7:9, Pro. 21:2, Jer. 17:10, 20:12, 1Thes. 2:4).

 

[Suze]

Well, God rules in the hearts of believing men and women (Col. 3:15, Heb. 10:16, 2Cor. 3:3),
but He allows souls including kings to reject His Lordship during the earthly time of testing human hearts
(Psa. 7:9, Pro. 21:2, Jer. 17:10, 20:12, 1Thes. 2:4).

Yep , for sure , but just because some people don't believe in Him , that doesn't negate who He is , He is Lord of all His creation and in perfect control if it .

 

[Charlesiii]

Patriarchy is the biblical standard, and to turn that into a negative and reject God’s design for a basic principle of human existence, cannot but help bring full apostasy and ruin, which we are seeing in this day. Look about and see more and more women lawyers, judges, CEOs, law enforcement officers, etc. What would Paul say about all these women in pulpits today?

 

[Carlyw]

I do not see endorsement of misogyny in the Bible. In fact I see very little of it. I do however see that Men naturally have sinfully hurt one other/women. I do not however think that is endorsed.

God saved many women throughout a misogynistic society in the OT

Think Rahab Joshua 6:17 , Esther , Hagar, Naomi/Ruth, he looked favorable on those oppressed think Leah, and Hannah. He even had at one point a woman lead, Deborah.

Now in the NT I see examples of what roles men and women are supposed to act out in the Church. It is because we are equal in position ,inheritance , and value but separate in role. We are not men, and men are not us.

To be a woman is a joy, we are instructed how to conduct our lives as one.

Being a man is amazing, they are instructed how to conduct their lives as one.

It looks super different, but one things for sure: we are both called to sacrifice, submit, love one another, forgive, extend grace.

I would actually argue that it could be seen as more difficult for men as they have a higher authority(specifically limited to husbands and church leaders/elders) as they are held accountable for the teaching of others.

But here's some scripture on how men are supposed to live:

1 Peter 3:7

Ephesians 5:23

Ephesians 5:33

1 Timothy 3:2

1 Peter 3:6

Titus 2:2

Titus 2:5

Here's some scripture on how women are supposed to live:

Ephesians 5:22–33

1 Peter 3:1–5

1 Timothy 2:12

Titus 2:3

Titus 2:5


Scripture about our union:
Genesis 2:18

Genesis 2:24

Proverbs 18:22

Mark 10:6-12

1 Corinthians 7:1–16

From these and some I haven't listed we see that men have a high standard to live by, and women

Men are leaders in the church, women not as much with exception.

Men have authority over woman in marriage and as a church Elder/Pastor. But God has authority over all.

Men are called to sacrifice, love, consider and understand and be kind to their wives. And we are all called to be loving, sacrificial and helpful. Patient and self disciplined in general.

Woman are called to be obedient to church leaders, as are men as well. But woman is not permitted to teach in authority over a man, and are to be submissive and obedient to their husbands. We are to be loving, respectful, and kind. Not fearful or controlling.

The ideal role for woman is as a wife raising a family, I believe but some may argue. Of course this my only be a aspect of ones life.

This is long and i'm sorry! Scripture just has a lot to say here. I love womanhood and manhood and I believe it has great value if we live it out right. God has made things to be this way.