The tribulation

[GWH]

So personally I do not think that the rapture will happen on september 23rd I am a pre wrath believer and also I believe that a great harvest is on the horizon but as for the tribulation the time of jacobs trouble I am curious when do you believe this will begin and why?

And also what will trigger it? what sign do we look for?

I don't know about the tribulation, but I already experienced purgatory as an 8th grade English teacher in inner city schools,
so I am ready for the rapture!

 

[Ceph]

Jeremiah prophesied before and during the Babylonian conquest of Jerusalem, circa 586 BC, and the kingdomof Judah's subsequent exile in Babylon, so Jacob's trouble is something that happened thousands of years ago. It's really strange to ignore that and project the time of Jacob's trouble into the future.

IMO we really won't know anything until the first 4 trumpets sound.

Jacob was named Israel after he wrestled with God & man and won. Some are still wrestling.

 

[Omegatime]

Awful quiet tonite--everyone waiting on rapture-lol

 

[Omegatime]

My apology for being wrong.

I was pretty confident we would see a Covenant by many ( United Nations ) ( Dan 9:27 ) on Feast Trumpets which didnt happen.

The 21 point plan of Trump I do believe is still in play

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

My apology for being wrong.

I was pretty confident we would see a Covenant by many ( United Nations ) ( Dan 9:27 ) on Feast Trumpets which didnt happen.

The 21 point plan of Trump I do believe is still in play

That covenant was made nearly 2000 years ago with the houses of Israel and Judah. You will be wrong every time if you stay on the same path you are on.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The only people who left earth yesterday were those who died. And that won't change until Christ returns in a loud blaze of glory that the whole world will witness. "No pre-trib rapture for you" - Pre-trib Rapture Nazi

 

[Randy4u2c]

The Jewish rapture of rev 14 is people rising in the air
The 2 witnesses rise into the air.
Jesus rose into the air.
Elijah rose into the air.
Enoch rose into the air.
Paul rose into the air....as did John.
The church meets the dead in christ in the air.

To put all that down is plain crazy.

Consider that the word "AIR" doesn't mean atmosphere but it means the "breath of life" spiritual body that we will all be changed into at Christ's return at the 7th

The Jewish rapture of rev 14 is people rising in the air
The 2 witnesses rise into the air.
Jesus rose into the air.
Elijah rose into the air.
Enoch rose into the air.
Paul rose into the air....as did John.
The church meets the dead in christ in the air.

To put all that down is plain crazy.

The word "AIR" doesn't mean atmosphere. It means the "breath of life" spiritual body that we will all be changed into at the return of Christ at the 7th Trump as written in I Cor 15: 51-52. This is the same breath of life that was breathed into Adam. There is no need to "fly away" because Christ is coming to earth with his saints to set up his millennium kingdom and will gather his people at that time, Math 24:30-31, Mark 13:24-27

 

[Blain]

My apology for being wrong.

I was pretty confident we would see a Covenant by many ( United Nations ) ( Dan 9:27 ) on Feast Trumpets which didnt happen.

The 21 point plan of Trump I do believe is still in play

Well I didn't want to say anything but I kind of figured you were going to be wrong about that at least for now

 

[Psalm1]

I agree that the bible tells us that Jesus and Elijah ascended through the air, but of Enoch, we are just told:

“And Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him.” (Ge 5:24 NKJV)

The bible doesn't even mention Paul's death.

Paul was caught up.
He said "whether in the body or not, I am not sure"
Rapture/ caught up/ harpozo....all are simply saying saints living, go up in the air visibly, and on into heaven.

 

[Psalm1]

Consider that the word "AIR" doesn't mean atmosphere but it means the "breath of life" spiritual body that we will all be changed into at Christ's return at the 7th


The word "AIR" doesn't mean atmosphere. It means the "breath of life" spiritual body that we will all be changed into at the return of Christ at the 7th Trump as written in I Cor 15: 51-52. This is the same breath of life that was breathed into Adam. There is no need to "fly away" because Christ is coming to earth with his saints to set up his millennium kingdom and will gather his people at that time, Math 24:30-31, Mark 13:24-27

There is no need to hide in caves when the AC gathers those left behind.
The bible says not to resist.
If missing the rapture is your goal, You will be offered the mark.
It says every human on the planet takes it or dies.

The pretrib rapture is so easy to defend.
Postribbers can not quote the rapture verses.
In over 40 years of debate I have never seen any of them offer a rapture verse.
I have to initiate them. Then they reframe the bible.
It is bizarre, But they have such a investment in that doctrine, that day shun the rapture verses as a default mode

 

[Psalm1]

Consider that the word "AIR" doesn't mean atmosphere but it means the "breath of life" spiritual body that we will all be changed into at Christ's return at the 7th


The word "AIR" doesn't mean atmosphere. It means the "breath of life" spiritual body that we will all be changed into at the return of Christ at the 7th Trump as written in I Cor 15: 51-52. This is the same breath of life that was breathed into Adam. There is no need to "fly away" because Christ is coming to earth with his saints to set up his millennium kingdom and will gather his people at that time, Math 24:30-31, Mark 13:24-27

From bibletools.org :

Strong's #109: aer (pronounced ah-ayr')

from aemi (to breathe unconsciously, i.e. respire; by analogy, to blow); "air" (as naturally circumambient):--air. Compare 5594.




Thayer's Greek Lexicon:

̓́


aēr


1) the air, particularly the lower and denser air as distinguished from the higher and rarer air

2) the atmospheric region


Part of Speech: noun masculine

Relation: from aemi (to breathe unconsciously, i.e. respire; by analogy, to blow)

Citing in TDNT: 1:165, 25





Usage:

This word is used 7 times:


Acts 22:23: "dust into the air,"
1 Corinthians 9:26: "I, not as one that beateth the air:"
1 Corinthians 14:9: "for ye shall speak into the air."
Ephesians 2:2: "prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh"
1 Thessalonians 4:17: "to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever"
Revelation 9:2: "sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke"
Revelation 16:17: "vial into the air; and there came a great voice




I really don't see your need to muddy up a no-brainer

 

[DavidLamb]

Paul was caught up.
He said "whether in the body or not, I am not sure"
Rapture/ caught up/ harpozo....all are simply saying saints living, go up in the air visibly, and on into heaven.

Yes, but as you say, he didn't even know whether it was a bodily ascension or not. It certainly wasn't at death.

 

[Blain]

There is no need to hide in caves when the AC gathers those left behind.
The bible says not to resist.
If missing the rapture is your goal, You will be offered the mark.
It says every human on the planet takes it or dies.

The pretrib rapture is so easy to defend.
Postribbers can not quote the rapture verses.
In over 40 years of debate I have never seen any of them offer a rapture verse.
I have to initiate them. Then they reframe the bible.
It is bizarre, But they have such a investment in that doctrine, that day shun the rapture verses as a default mode

There is no rapture verse to defend post trio but as a prewrath believer which is similar to pretrib I have found plenty of verses thast can attest to my stance but post trib? not a single one

They have to make it say something it isn't in order to defend their stance

 

[Randy4u2c]

From bibletools.org :

Strong's #109: aer (pronounced ah-ayr')

from aemi (to breathe unconsciously, i.e. respire; by analogy, to blow); "air" (as naturally circumambient):--air. Compare 5594.




Thayer's Greek Lexicon:

̓́


aēr


1) the air, particularly the lower and denser air as distinguished from the higher and rarer air

2) the atmospheric region


Part of Speech: noun masculine

Relation: from aemi (to breathe unconsciously, i.e. respire; by analogy, to blow)

Citing in TDNT: 1:165, 25





Usage:

This word is used 7 times:


Acts 22:23: "dust into the air,"
1 Corinthians 9:26: "I, not as one that beateth the air:"
1 Corinthians 14:9: "for ye shall speak into the air."
Ephesians 2:2: "prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh"
1 Thessalonians 4:17: "to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever"
Revelation 9:2: "sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke"
Revelation 16:17: "vial into the air; and there came a great voice




I really don't see your need to muddy up a no-brainer

You got it..."to breathe", "respire". Not atmosphere but the breath of life spiritual body that we will be changed into at the second coming of Christ. We will meet him in that breath of life body, not the atmosphere.