Gospel Confusion...

[Musicmaster]

Are you saying everyone name is in the book of life, and people get blotted out?

I'm saying that is precisely what scripture shows to us throughout the entire Bible. No other understanding fits in with scripture for what it says and what it does NOT say. Adding to scripture personal whim is not a proper study of what is actually stated and what is not stated.

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

Folks, there are some goofy beliefs about the book of life. Some seem to believe the Lord has some angel writing in, blotting out, and writing in again, etc., the names of people on some unknown basis and verses that don't exist.

Deuteronomy 9:12-14 KJV — And the LORD said unto me, Arise, get thee down quickly from hence; for thy people which thou hast brought forth out of Egypt have corrupted themselves; they are quickly turned aside out of the way which I commanded them; they have made them a molten image. Furthermore the LORD spake unto me, saying, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people: Let me alone, that I may destroy them, and blot out their name from under heaven: and I will make of thee a nation mightier and greater than they.

Never do we see any action phrase of the Lord writing in names in that book. It is ONLY the blotting out.

So, hopefully that will put into perspective what scripture says and what it doesn't say, with scripture speaking for itself apart from all the foolish notions some have about it.

MM

 

[Ouch]

I'm saying that is precisely what scripture shows to us throughout the entire Bible. No other understanding fits in with scripture for what it says and what it does NOT say. Adding to scripture personal whim is not a proper study of what is actually stated and what is not stated.

MM

Ok, just show me where it says that.

 

[Ouch]

Given that there is not one verse anywhere throughout scripture where the Lord told anyone that their name was actively being written in that book, and given your assumption to the contrary in the things you have said, I'm left wondering what it is that you actually do believe about that book. Do you think names are blotted out each time someone sins? Do you think you will be standing there at the great White Throne judgement? If so, you have problems in your theology and your eschatology and your eisegetical habits.

Also, no, Paul had a habit of going FIRST to the synagogues to preach the gospel of grace to the Jews first, some of whom were proselyte Gentiles who became Jews.

Paul clearly reiterated His gospel to the believers in Corinth in the first four verses of that chapter. Why can't you get that straight without adding what isn't there?

MM

I never said anything about that book!!!

Sins will not enter Heaven,
After we get baptized in JESUS name to remove our sin we will sin after that right? We need to repent and confess them daily.

Sad part is people who believe what you believe never get rid of your sins at all.

Tell me what is the gospel of grace?

Like Peter gave specific instructions on how be saved in Acts 2 and JESUS said in John 3:5 CAN'T enter with out being born of water and of spirit.

Tell me what is that gospel of grace?

How do you think we get reborn today?

Not just your words specific instructions.

Show me in HIS word where Paul preached the gospel of grace to the jews.

Are you saying this is the gospel of grace?

1 Corinthians 15
King James Version
15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Why do you talk a lot without letting JESUS do the talking, prove your points with HIS WORD, it would mean less questions and less confusion.

 

[Musicmaster]

Ok, just show me where it says that.

Are you really going to do this? You're going to sit there and demand I show to you a singular verse or set of verses that say one thing while you think you're not responsible for proving your initial point with which I disagreed? You never backed up what you initially stated. The burden of proof is on YOUR shoulders rather than mine.

So, please prove to us, from scripture, where it says anything about any names being added to that book (which I dont think you can do, and will resort to more nonsensical demands and worthless commentary, but I hope not). Do that, and I will show to you the contrary.

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

I never said anything about that book!!!

Sins will not enter Heaven,
After we get baptized in JESUS name to remove our sin we will sin after that right? We need to repent and confess them daily.

Sad part is people who believe what you believe never get rid of your sins at all.

Tell me what is the gospel of grace?

Like Peter gave specific instructions on how be saved in Acts 2 and JESUS said in John 3:5 CAN'T enter with out being born of water and of spirit.

Tell me what is that gospel of grace?

How do you think we get reborn today?

Not just your words specific instructions.

Show me in HIS word where Paul preached the gospel of grace to the jews.

Are you saying this is the gospel of grace?

1 Corinthians 15
King James Version
15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Why do you talk a lot without letting JESUS do the talking, prove your points with HIS WORD, it would mean less questions and less confusion.

Water baptism does not remove our sins under the Gospel of Grace in this dispensation. Your continued failure to rightly divide the word of truth in order to hold to the overly simplistic reading of scripture without rightly dividing only solidifies your massive confusions. That bag of confusing theology topics you hold only amplifies your pride in holding to falsehoods.

Pray tell...if it was only one absolutely similar gospel from Matthew 1 to Revelation 22, then why did Paul ever have any issue with the Kingdom Gospel being preached to the body of Christ that was and is under the Gospel of Grace? Can you at least answer that without slight of hand tricks and attempts at wit. Please answer with intelligence and thoughtful reflection upon the reasoning behind your answer...if one is forthcoming.

MM

 

[Ouch]

Are you really going to do this? You're going to sit there and demand I show to you a singular verse or set of verses that say one thing while you think you're not responsible for proving your initial point with which I disagreed? You never backed up what you initially stated. The burden of proof is on YOUR shoulders rather than mine.

So, please prove to us, from scripture, where it says anything about any names being added to that book (which I dont think you can do, and will resort to more nonsensical demands and worthless commentary, but I hope not). Do that, and I will show to you the contrary.

MM

Musicmaster said:
You seem to lack knowledge about that book. The only thing that happens is the blotting out of names since all names were written in that from the very beginning. We Israelis have known that for thousands of years.


Ouch said:
Are you saying everyone name is in the book of life, and people get blotted out?

Musicmaster said:
I'm saying that is precisely what scripture shows to us throughout the entire Bible. No other understanding fits in with scripture for what it says and what it does NOT say. Adding to scripture personal whim is not a proper study of what is actually stated and what is not stated.

Ouch said:
Ok, just show me where it says that.

Musicmaster said:
Are you really going to do this? You're going to sit there and demand I show to you a singular verse or set of verses that say one thing while you think you're not responsible for proving your initial point with which I disagreed? You never backed up what you initially stated. The burden of proof is on YOUR shoulders rather than mine.

So, please prove to us, from scripture, where it says anything about any names being added to that book (which I dont think you can do, and will resort to more nonsensical demands and worthless commentary, but I hope not). Do that, and I will show to you the contrary.


I'm a little confused? wasn't you who started the book of life thing?

Yea I think so, you said "The only thing that happens is the blotting out of names since all names were written in that from the very beginning."

Why do you say not I have to prove something? Did I miss something?

CAN YOU SHOW ME, where all of our names are in the book of life and the only thing that happens is they get removed?

 

[Ouch]

Water baptism does not remove our sins under the Gospel of Grace in this dispensation. Your continued failure to rightly divide the word of truth in order to hold to the overly simplistic reading of scripture without rightly dividing only solidifies your massive confusions. That bag of confusing theology topics you hold only amplifies your pride in holding to falsehoods.

Pray tell...if it was only one absolutely similar gospel from Matthew 1 to Revelation 22, then why did Paul ever have any issue with the Kingdom Gospel being preached to the body of Christ that was and is under the Gospel of Grace? Can you at least answer that without slight of hand tricks and attempts at wit. Please answer with intelligence and thoughtful reflection upon the reasoning behind your answer...if one is forthcoming.

MM

How can one have an intelligent conversaton about JESUS and HIS rule book when all you do is talk?

Do you have a problem with proving you are right using HIS word?

Lets keep it simple,

Like Peter gave specific instructions on how be saved in Acts 2 and JESUS said in John 3:5 CAN'T enter with out being born of water and of spirit.

How do we get rid of our sins, if we don't why and when did that stop?

Tell me what is that gospel of grace?

How do you think we get reborn today?

Not just your words specific instructions ON HOW TO BE REBORN TODAY!

Bonus question, Show me in HIS word where Paul preached the gospel of grace to the jews.

 

[Lamar]

Water baptism does not remove our sins under the Gospel of Grace in this dispensation.

This is such silly poppycock, it pains me just to read it.

 

[Musicmaster]

Musicmaster said:
You seem to lack knowledge about that book. The only thing that happens is the blotting out of names since all names were written in that from the very beginning. We Israelis have known that for thousands of years.


Ouch said:
Are you saying everyone name is in the book of life, and people get blotted out?

Musicmaster said:
I'm saying that is precisely what scripture shows to us throughout the entire Bible. No other understanding fits in with scripture for what it says and what it does NOT say. Adding to scripture personal whim is not a proper study of what is actually stated and what is not stated.

Ouch said:
Ok, just show me where it says that.

Musicmaster said:
Are you really going to do this? You're going to sit there and demand I show to you a singular verse or set of verses that say one thing while you think you're not responsible for proving your initial point with which I disagreed? You never backed up what you initially stated. The burden of proof is on YOUR shoulders rather than mine.

So, please prove to us, from scripture, where it says anything about any names being added to that book (which I dont think you can do, and will resort to more nonsensical demands and worthless commentary, but I hope not). Do that, and I will show to you the contrary.


I'm a little confused? wasn't you who started the book of life thing?

Yea I think so, you said "The only thing that happens is the blotting out of names since all names were written in that from the very beginning."

Why do you say not I have to prove something? Did I miss something?

CAN YOU SHOW ME, where all of our names are in the book of life and the only thing that happens is they get removed?

Ok, since you're acting confused, how about this:

In the absence of any statement anywhere in scripture of any names being added to the book of life, the only other conclusion is that every name was written already in that book in order for anyone to be blotted out. In other words, why would any unbeliever's name be blotted out if not already written there before birth?

Do you now see the dilemma in your thinking...IF you think names are added from the foundation ofnthe world?

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

This is such silly poppycock, it pains me just to read it.

Lamar, I understand your problem with what I said in the midst of your failure to rightly divide the word of truth.

MM

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yea, he don't like answering questions at all.

Because of his opinion it creates so many questions, too many things don't line up with HIS word.

Yeah that’s his whole purpose look at the op title lol “ gospel confusion “

 

[Ouch]

Yeah that’s his whole purpose look at the op title lol “ gospel confusion “

LLLLOOOOLLLL. Yep and who started it. I thought it was just me.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

FYI, GOD was speaking to Ananias about Paul.

Acts 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

After Paul got the Ephesians on the right track, look what he did.

Acts 19:10 And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks.

So new question did Paul just get the gospel message to the Gentles?


Did you ever figure out what that message was that Paul gave to the Corinthians 1 Cor 15:1?

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: but shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judæa, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭26:19-20‬ ‭

 

[Ouch]

Ok, since you're acting confused, how about this:

In the absence of any statement anywhere in scripture of any names being added to the book of life, the only other conclusion is that every name was written already in that book in order for anyone to be blotted out. In other words, why would any unbeliever's name be blotted out if not already written there before birth?

Do you now see the dilemma in your thinking...IF you think names are added from the foundation ofnthe world?

MM

So there are no scripture backing up what you say and makes no sense we are born in sin and sin separates us.

Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Revelation 3:3-5
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.

5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

So what do you think of this, when a person is reborn like in

Acts 2:38-41

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Three thousands souls were added, so if they were added they couldn't have been there before right?

After a person is reborn, believe, baptized in JESUS name and JESUS filled them with the Holy Ghost we will not stay sin free.

That's were 1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

After a person is reborn and they go back to their old lifestyle there name is blotted out.


Hope this helps, I can add more scripture if you like.

 

[Musicmaster]

So there are no scripture backing up what you say and makes no sense we are born in sin and sin separates us.

Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Revelation 3:3-5
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.

5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

So what do you think of this, when a person is reborn like in

Acts 2:38-41

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Three thousands souls were added, so if they were added they couldn't have been there before right?

After a person is reborn, believe, baptized in JESUS name and JESUS filled them with the Holy Ghost we will not stay sin free.

That's were 1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

After a person is reborn and they go back to their old lifestyle there name is blotted out.


Hope this helps, I can add more scripture if you like.

Hopefully you also chastise your false teaching pastor for daring to expound upon scripture as he sees it.

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

So there are no scripture backing up what you say and makes no sense we are born in sin and sin separates us.

Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Revelation 3:3-5
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.

5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

So what do you think of this, when a person is reborn like in

Acts 2:38-41

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Three thousands souls were added, so if they were added they couldn't have been there before right?

After a person is reborn, believe, baptized in JESUS name and JESUS filled them with the Holy Ghost we will not stay sin free.

That's were 1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

After a person is reborn and they go back to their old lifestyle there name is blotted out.


Hope this helps, I can add more scripture if you like.

You can go ahead and try to be saved by your works rooted in works-based salvation, which was an element of the Kingdom Gospel. If you think you can be saved under that gospel, then go for it. I was never here to take away your freedom to subjectively interpret scripture at the exclusion of rightly dividing. You see, given that we are instructed to rightly divide means that there are DIVISIONS within the word of God, all of which is TRUTH, but not all written TO us today.

Go for it, and in the end we shall all see and understand the truth of scripture more than ever. This isn't about who's right and who's wrong because Christ is ALWAYS right.

2 Timothy 2:14-16
14 Of these things put [them] in remembrance, charging [them] before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, [but] to the subverting of the hearers.
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

So, being accursed for preaching ANOTHER gospel, though it having been truth to those to whom it was spoken in the past, BUT NOW is in that past having been replaced by Paul's Gospel.

MM

 

[Ouch]

Hopefully you also chastise your false teaching pastor for daring to expound upon scripture as he sees it.

MM

LOL, you are too funny!!!

I share HIS WORD, GOD'S WORD and you think it came out of my pastors mouth.

FYI, if my what comes out of my pastor's mouth can't be backed up in GOD'S WORD he would no longer be my pastor.

Here's the real deal, you don't know how to respond to GOD'S word because you don't like the parts that goes against your personal beliefs.

Why not just man up and say your wrong?

 

[Ouch]

You can go ahead and try to be saved by your works rooted in works-based salvation, which was an element of the Kingdom Gospel. If you think you can be saved under that gospel, then go for it. I was never here to take away your freedom to subjectively interpret scripture at the exclusion of rightly dividing. You see, given that we are instructed to rightly divide means that there are DIVISIONS within the word of God, all of which is TRUTH, but not all written TO us today.

Go for it, and in the end we shall all see and understand the truth of scripture more than ever. This isn't about who's right and who's wrong because Christ is ALWAYS right.

2 Timothy 2:14-16
14 Of these things put [them] in remembrance, charging [them] before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, [but] to the subverting of the hearers.
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

So, being accursed for preaching ANOTHER gospel, though it having been truth to those to whom it was spoken in the past, BUT NOW is in that past having been replaced by Paul's Gospel.

MM

First I DON'T PREACH NOTHING, I do share HIS WORD.

So tell me wise one, who is preaching the wrong gospel?

I have asked you what is Pauls gospel?

I have asked you how do I get reborn with spific instructions with Pauls gospel?

Why don't you answer them?

When I know the difference between Paul's gospel and the other apostles gospels I will be able to see the difference.

How about YOU stop the ballbing and lets move on, sorry I have no tack.

 

[Musicmaster]

LOL, you are too funny!!!

I share HIS WORD, GOD'S WORD and you think it came out of my pastors mouth.

FYI, if my what comes out of my pastor's mouth can't be backed up in GOD'S WORD he would no longer be my pastor.

Here's the real deal, you don't know how to respond to GOD'S word because you don't like the parts that goes against your personal beliefs.

Why not just man up and say your wrong?

Please sharpen your reading comprehension skills. I specifically addressed the practice of expounding upon the word of God rather than any particular doctrinal issue. You're worse than exhaustive in your meaningless posts and misplaced laughter. Being a drive-by shooter type of poster, this is getting nowhere in trying to converse with you given that you have no intent to converse and expound upon your reasonings. The scriptures speak for themselves, and conversation involving expository discussions is not a violation of the scriptures.

So, you go and do you, and I'll continue conversing with those who are able and willing to converse WITH each other rather than one side yammering AT the other.

MM