Is it ok to be once saved always saved.

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tourist said:
Same thing with smoking. Not a sin but not advisable either.
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Anything that harms the body is not good! Drinking wine is beneficial to most, unless you have a problem with it, so I don’t see it as the same.

It’s like eating sweets, for most people it is ok, to some it’s detrimental due to diabetes; know yourself.
 
TruthDefender said:
Again you’re missing the Truth, which is God.
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All I preach is God.

His word
His deathj
His promise
His salvation.

if you taught all about God. you would believe God has saved you completely. and stop trying to trust in self.

You can not claim you teach truth, then not defend that truth and preach a lie..
 
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TruthDefender said:
OSAS is heresy. It’s not Scriptural!
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if someone continues in their faith then OSAS is true, but stories like the Prodigal Son and Peter denying Christ three times and then repenting show that the doctrine of OSAS is not completely supported by Scripture. believers can fall away or struggle yet return in repentance. OSAS is not considered heresy, nor is it a salvation issue.
 
Daisy2 said:
if someone continues in their faith then OSAS is true, but stories like the Prodigal Son and Peter denying Christ three times and then repenting show that the doctrine of OSAS is not completely supported by Scripture. believers can fall away or struggle yet return in repentance. OSAS is not considered heresy, nor is it a salvation issue.
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Yes, OSAS is heresy!! It is not a scriptural. You can fall and lose your soul…..
 
TruthDefender said:
Yes, OSAS is heresy!! It is not a scriptural. You can fall and lose your soul…..
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There will be many Calvinists in Heaven who have continued faithfully in Christ. Even if they stumbled and didn’t verbally repent, if they were sincerely sorry, God sees their hearts. He judges the intentions of the heart.
 
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TruthDefender said:
Exactly, so why are you wresting Scripture??
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I am not.

I believe everythign jesus and paul said about salvation by grace..

why don't you?

John 1: 11: 11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12. But AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED HIM, to THEM he gave the right to become children, even TO THEM WHO BELIEVE 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (no works)

John 3, FOR God so loved the world he gave his only son that WHOEVER BELIEVES (trusts) in him will NEVER PERISH, and LIVE FOREVER (eternal life) for the son was not sent to judge, but that the world might be saved, he who BELIEVES is NOT CONDEMNED, he who does not believe is condemned already (no works)

John 4: 13 Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will NEVER THIRST. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into EVERLASTING LIFE” (no works)

John 5: 24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he whoever HEARS MY WORD and BELIEVES IN HIM WHO SENT ME who sent Me HAS ETERNAL LIFE and SHALL NOT COME INTO JUDGMENT but HAS PASSED FROM DEATH TO LIFE (No works)

John 6: 35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. HE WHO COMES TO ME shall NEVER HUNGER and he who BELIEVES IN ME shall NEVER THIRST (NO WORKS)

John 6: 37: and THE ONE WHO COMES TO ME I WILL BY NO MEANS CAST OUT 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, thatof all He has given Me I SHAL LOSE NOTHING, but SHOULD RAISE IT UP ON THE LAST DAY. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that EVERYONE WHO SEES AND BELIEVES IN HIM MAY HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE AND I WILL (NOT MIGHT) RAISE HIM ON THE LAST DAY (NO WORKS)

John 6: 47 Most assuredly, I say to you, HE WHO BELIEVES IN ME HAS EVERLASTING LIFE. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that THAT ONE MAY EAT OF IT AND NOT DIE 51 am the living bread which came down from heaven. IF ANYONE EATS THIS BREAD HE WILL LIVE FOREVER (NO WORKS)

John 6: 63 It is the SPIRIT WHO GIVES LIFE ; the flesh profits nothing. THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK to you ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE (SIGNIFYING THE BREAD FROM HEAVEN, THE FLESH AND BOOD ARE THE WORDS JESUS SPOKE. NOT THE PHYSICAL FOOD OR WORKS,)

EPH 1: 13 In Him YOU ALSO TRUSTED , after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also ,HAVING BELIEVED YOU WERE SEALED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF PROMISE 14 who IS THE GAURANTEE OF OUR INHERITANCE until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

THE INHERITANCE HE SAID WE ALREADY HAD IN THE 1ST 12 VERSES. (AGAIN, NO WORKS)

eph 2: 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses,MADE US ALIVE together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and RAISED US UP TOGETHER , and MADE US SIT TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For BY GRACE YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED (A COMPLETED ACTION) THROUGH FAITH , (AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED) and that NOT OF YOURSELVES ; it IS THE GIFT OF GOD, 9 NOT OF WORKS LEST ANYONE SHOULD BOAST (NO WORKS)

rom 4: 3 For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD AND HE ACOUNTED IT TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 4 Now TO HIM WHO WORKS, THE WAGES ARE NOT COUNTED AS GRACE BUT DEBT (Works cancels out grace. and makes it a wage) 5 But TO HIM WHO DOES NOT WORK but BELIEVES ON HIM WHO JUSTIFIES THE UNGOLDY , his HIS FAITH IS ACCOUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS (AGAIN NO WORKS. PERIOD)

rom 4: 16 Therefore IT IF OF FAITH THAT IT MAY BE ACCORDING TO GRACE , so that THE PROMISE MAY BE SURE TO ALL THE SEED not only to those who are of the law, but also TO THOSE WHO ARE OF THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM , who is the father of us all (AGAIN, NO WORKS, IT IS OF GRACE THROUGH FAITH)

Rom 4: 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but ALSO FOR US, IT SHALL BE IMPUTED TO US WHO BELIEVE IN HIM WHO RAISED UP JESUS OUR LORD FROM THE DEAD , 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was RAISED BECAUSE OF OUR JUSTIFICATION (AGAIN NO WORKS)

Rom 11: 6 And IF BY GRACE, THAN IT IS NO LONGER OF WORKS, ; otherwise GRACE IS NO LONGER GRACE.But IF IT IS OF WORKS, THEN IT IS NO LONGER OF GRACE. OTHERWISE WORK IS NO LONGER WORK (AS i HAVE SAID NUMEROUS TIME, GRACE + WORKS = WORKS.. GRACE AND WORKS CAN NOT MIX IN THE AREA OF SALVATION. ITS LIKE MIXING OIL AND WATER)

2 Tim 1: 9 who HAS SAVED US (A COMPLETED ACTION) and called us with a holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS , but ACCORDING TO HIS OWN PURPOSE AND GRACE which was GIVEN TO US in Christ Jesus BEFORE TIME BEGAN (AGAIN, NO WORKS. BUT GRACE)

Titus 3: 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS (GOOD DEEDS) WHICH WE HAVE DONE , but ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HE SAVED US through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that HAVING BEEN JUSTIFIED BY HIS GRACE we should become HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE
(AGAIN, NO QUESTION HERE. PAUL LEAVES NO QUESTION. NO GOOD DEED CAN SAVE US,. WE ARE SAVED BY GODS MERCY, AND GIVEN THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE. WHICH IS PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN

Titus 1: 2 in HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE which GOD WHO CAN NOT LIE PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN

this is what our faith is in, the grace and mercy of God. not our deeds.
 
Daisy2 said:
if someone continues in their faith then OSAS is true, but stories like the Prodigal Son and Peter denying Christ three times and then repenting show that the doctrine of OSAS is not completely supported by Scripture. believers can fall away or struggle yet return in repentance. OSAS is not considered heresy, nor is it a salvation issue.
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actually it is

either God keeps his promise, or God does not.. and we have to save ourselves (or help save ourselves)
 
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Daisy2 said:
There will be many Calvinists in Heaven who have continued faithfully in Christ. Even if they stumbled and didn’t verbally repent, if they were sincerely sorry, God sees their hearts. He judges the intentions of the heart.
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We are not the Judge! I can only tell you what Scripture says.

"But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, "Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ " (that is, to bring Christ down from above) or, " ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ " (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead)."
Romans 10:6-7 NKJV

“But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21‬:‭27‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
 
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TruthDefender said:
We are not the Judge! I can only tell you what Scripture says.

"But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, "Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ " (that is, to bring Christ down from above) or, " ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ " (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead)."
Romans 10:6-7 NKJV
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lets finish that passage.

rom 10"
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

It does not say whoever gets baptized. io whoever obeys this command or that command. It does not say whoever is righteous enough.

It says whoever in faith believes in God and the resurrection.



You either believe and are saved, or you have not yet believed and remain condemned
 
Everlasting-Grace said:
lets finish that passage.

rom 10"
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

It does not say whoever gets baptized. io whoever obeys this command or that command. It does not say whoever is righteous enough.

It says whoever in faith believes in God and the resurrection.



You either believe and are saved, or you have not yet believed and remain condemned
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I did see this before, but didn’t use it because I knew you would misconstrue it.
You’re taking just this verse and running with it.
You have to read the rest of the scripture. You’re only reading half of what He says and what He tells us to do!!
 
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We need a Dumbgeon where threads go to be purged. Leave ‘em in for about aweek and then flush em
 
TruthDefender said:
Anything that harms the body is not good! Drinking wine is beneficial to most, unless you have a problem with it, so I don’t see it as the same.

It’s like eating sweets, for most people it is ok, to some it’s detrimental due to diabetes; know yourself.
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Eating processed foods is not extremely nutritious either but don't see how it is a sin. A lot of people simply cannot afford to eat food that is not processed to some degree, or don't have ample time to prepare a meal totally from scratch. I agree with you, critical that you know yourself and set limits if necessary.
 
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Scriptures that support Once Saved Always saved:

“My sheep hear my voice and I give them eternal life. No one can snatch them out of my hands. My Father who is greater than I am, no one can snatch them out of His hands, I and the Father are One.” (John 10:26-30)

“..if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.” (Romans 10:9-10)

“While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition (Judas Iscariot), that the Scripture might be fulfilled.” (John 17:12)

“In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.” (Ephesians 1:13-14)

“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but shall yave eternal life.” (John 3:16)

“having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.” (Colossians 2:14)

“Who dares accuse us whom God has chosen for his own? No one—for God himself has given us right standing with himself. Who then will condemn us? No one—for Christ Jesus died for us and was raised to life for us, and he is sitting in the place of honor at God’s right hand, pleading for us.
Can anything ever separate us from Christ’s love? Does it mean he no longer loves us if we have trouble or calamity, or are persecuted, or hungry, or destitute, or in danger, or threatened with death? (As the Scriptures say, “For your sake we are killed every day; we are being slaughtered like sheep.” No, despite all these things, overwhelming victory is ours through Christ, who loved us.
And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God’s love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow—not even the powers of hell can separate us from God’s love. No power in the sky above or in the earth below—indeed, nothing in all creation will ever be able to separate us from the love of God that is revealed in Christ Jesus our Lord.” (Romans 8:33-39)

In Israel I met a preacher who had a great tract that said, “if Satan cannot keep you from getting saved, he will get you worried all the time you are going to lose your salvation.”
 
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