Gospel Confusion...

[Magenta]

1 John 5 verses 11-13 + John 6 verse 47 ~ This is that testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I have written these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.

 

[Aaron56]

Its sad people have neither confidence or faith

Yeah. It's a convolution of several things: lack in teaching, false humility, and pilgrims.

 

[Lamar]

Scripture says we can know. That is not foreknowledge. That is believing what has been written.

Scripture also states that we can be wrong when we think we "know".

Proverbs 14:12
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There is a way that appears to be right, but in the end it leads to death.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Scripture also states that we can be wrong when we think we "know".

Proverbs 14:12
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There is a way that appears to be right, but in the end it leads to death.

yes,, But thats where faith comes in.

do we trust what God says

or do we trust in self?

1 John 5:13
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

Our faith is dependent on Knowing that what God says is true.. God says we have eternal life. If you doubt it. You have no root or basis to have faith

 

[Magenta]

Scripture also states that we can be wrong when we think we "know".

Proverbs 14:12
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There is a way that appears to be right, but in the end it leads to death.

I know you don't know. I hope that gets resolved.

 

[Aaron56]

Scripture also states that we can be wrong when we think we "know".

Proverbs 14:12
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There is a way that appears to be right, but in the end it leads to death.

It's an appropriate inquiry so I have no issue with your assertions.

Here's the rub: Paul knew and Paul also understood that he was an example to other saints.

So, if Paul knew, why don't you? I'm not asking for the answer. I'm just presenting the personal conundrum you unearthed.

 

[Lamar]

yes,, But thats where faith comes in.

do we trust what God says

or do we trust in self?

1 John 5:13
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

Our faith is dependent on Knowing that what God says is true.. God says we have eternal life. If you doubt it. You have no root or basis to have faith

This does not change the fact that we can sincerely "trust" in the wrong thing.

Having sincere confidence does not validate an assertion and this is exactly what you are pushing.

 

[Magenta]

Scripture also states that we can be wrong when we think we "know".

Proverbs 14:12
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There is a way that appears to be right, but in the end it leads to death.

Knowing God leads to life.

 

[Magenta]

This does not change the fact that we can sincerely "trust" in the wrong thing.

Having sincere confidence does not validate an assertion and this is exactly what you are pushing.

Much of what you say amounts to, you do not believe.

Why are you here? Are you seeking?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

This does not change the fact that we can sincerely "trust" in the wrong thing.

Yes.

So do you trust you have eternal life

do you trust God will complete his work in you

or do you not?

Having sincere confidence does not validate an assertion and this is exactly what you are pushing.

Are you calling paul a liar. why do you not trust what he trusted?

 

[Magenta]

@Lamar do you also deny this Scripture?

Romans 8 v 15-16 You did not receive a spirit of slavery that returns you to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.

 

[Musicmaster]

If Lamar has doubts about salvation assurance, then he apparently has no assurance of his own salvation since he is no authority to speak about the salvation of others. Perhaps he needs someone to minister to him. His religion appears to more akin to Mormoism as they too are not entirely sure of their salvation.

MM

 

[BillG]

If Lamar has doubts about salvation assurance, then he apparently has no assurance of his own salvation since he is no authority to speak about the salvation of others. Perhaps he needs someone to minister to him. His religion appears to more akin to Mormoism as they too are not entirely sure of their salvation.

MM

totally agree.

Sadly like others on here it is accusations after accusations and taking the place of God in judging who is saved and who is not.

What is even sadder is that they have no compassion to those who struggle

If I get reported I don't care but they are the reason why people reject Christianity.
They put a millstone around people's necks, Pharisees to the core.

 

[Lamar]

@Lamar do you also deny this Scripture?

Romans 8 v 15-16 You did not receive a spirit of slavery that returns you to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.

I deny your assertion of who the "we" refers to. You in your "assurance" claim it applies to you and it may but you sincerely believing this does not make it so. This is the flaw that your self-assurance has blinded you to.

Until the Book of Life is opened we are but hopeful of our name being in it.

 

[Magenta]

I deny your assertion of who the "we" refers to. You in your "assurance" claim it applies to you and it may but you sincerely believing this does not make it so. This is the flaw that your self-assurance has blinded you to.

Until the Book of Life is opened we are but hopeful of our name being in it.

Well, I think it sad you do not know. I hope that changes. Scripture says we can know, and I believe that.

 

[Musicmaster]

I deny your assertion of who the "we" refers to. You in your "assurance" claim it applies to you and it may but you sincerely believing this does not make it so. This is the flaw that your self-assurance has blinded you to.

Until the Book of Life is opened we are but hopeful of our name being in it.

You seem to lack knowledge about that book. The only thing that happens is the blotting out of names since all names were written in that from the very beginning. We Israelis have known that for thousands of years.

MM

 

[Aaron56]

Until the Book of Life is opened we are but hopeful of our name being in it.

Are you saying Paul could have been wrong about his own salvation?

 

[Lamar]

Which one are you?

The sincere confident Pharisee or the humble tax collector?

 

[Ouch]

Those questions will never replace what Paul stated as is the Gospel of Grace to us today. Because Paul shook off a deadly serpent bite back then doesn't mean you can do the same right now. If so, then prove it. The local zoo has a 12 foot cobra that would love to inject you with several cc's of its venom so that we can all see if those things DONE back then are all valid for us today.

This is where your false theology will be demonstratably false.

MM

I'm sure you know in your effeorts to prove me wrong you left out all of the scripture proving your right.

How about we start proving the message was just for Isreal.

Then we can move on to the other questions.

If you can to tell me I'm wrong prove it with HIS word not your words.

 

[Ouch]

Wait a minute...you only quoted part of what was preached only to Isreal:

Mark 16:17-18 — And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

If you can't fulfill ALL of that, then you're preaching something not meant for us today. Who have you laid hands on who were healed from a deadly disease? You should be able to empty out an entire hospital. Have you done that? If not, then why? Are you so heartless as to leave sick people to die in hospitals? Please retail us with stories of all the sick you have healed through the laying on ofnhands.

The selective choosing of what people do who lay claim to what was promised ONLY to Israel is further evidence for the failure to rightly divide the word of truth by all those who point to those things as requirement upon we today to whom those things were not spoken nor written.

MM

I'm sure you know in your effeorts to prove me wrong you left out all of the scripture proving your right.

How about we start proving the message was just for Isreal.

Then we can move on to the other questions.

If you can to tell me I'm wrong prove it with HIS word not your words.