Gospel Confusion...

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You fail to realize that you also surmise, and I understand that you disagree with my reasoning.

One of the last things said by Jesus was "You will be ever seeing but never perceiving,
for this people's heart has become calloused." (Acts 28:26-27)

He also said, "Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--
with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound
doctrine." (2Tim. 4:2-3)

And He also said, "This is God's command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one
another as he commanded us." (1John 3:23)

IOW, Jesus said a lot of things near the last part of GW in the NT.
I fail to see how these 3 verses address the issue of your extreme surmising on post# 907.

Also, what am I surmising about???
 
But GWH (like Baptists generally) didn't say that water baptism and being filled with the Holy Spirit are not important
Baptist and other faith alone regeneration theology advocates do not see water baptism and being filled with the Holy Spirit as important. They see the command by Peter in Acts 2:38 as something to be done "because" they already have received the remission of sins and the Gift of the Holy Spirit.

This is why they will postpone or delay water baptism until a convenient time. In other words, they see it as an optional ritual.
 
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How do you know you have the spirit?

Ephesians, what did you have your trust in, what truth did you hear? what was the gospel of your salvation?

JESUS did shed HIS BLOOD.

That has nothing to do with what we have to do!!

Did I ever ask you if you got the Holy Ghost since you have belived?

We never got past how do we get rid our sins, and looks like you still don't know.

DO WE HAVE TO DO ANYTHING TO GET RID OF THEM??

If we don't how do we?

I know that I have the Spirit because of the inspired written word of God and the promises therein. What about you?

I fully agree that the blood of Christ cleansed me of all my sins when I believed the Gospel as preached by Paul as recorded in 1 Cor. 15:1-4. No works will ever be able to add to anyone's salvation nor to retain salvation. It is ONLY the shed Blood of Christ.

As to the erradication of my sins, they are gone finneto, nada, destroyed... That is what the shed Blood of Christ accomplished for me given that I was saved by grace through faith, and that not of myself, but a gift from God. Nothing else will ever suffice not supplement my salvation. What about you?

So, no, we do not have to DO anything to "get rid of" our sins. We could never DO anything other than to have faith in the death, burial and resurrection on the third day for out sins and for our redemption from the resulting death to which retained sin leads. What about you?

MM
 
You’re speaking heresy. You’re reading some gibberish into the verses that’s not Scriptural.

There are tons of verses throughout the NC warning the saved that they can lose their own soul, if they don’t repent and faithfully do His will (live faithfully).

So everything you said about me is actually on you…..

Well, I quoted the relevant passages and you presented nothing. I always encourage contextual verification, and you presented nothing other than baseless accusations. None of us has any reason to take you seriously.

MM
 
I don't get into denominations I like to stick with GODS word, denominations are man-made and they are all different with different opinions.

For instance, "Baptism in water is a sign that one has been saved"

No where can you find that in scripture.

Another for instance why do people think that just believe and your reborn?

No where is scripture does it say that.

Problem is JESUS said in John 3:5

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

According to JESUS can't ENTER without both.

According to HIS word this is how we are reborn which line up with John 3:5

Acts 2:38-39
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Why do you insist upon placing yourself under a gospel that was not ever preached to the body of Christ? Peter preached that to Israel. That was not meant for us.

MM
 
I know that I have the Spirit because of the inspired written word of God and the promises therein. What about you?

I fully agree that the blood of Christ cleansed me of all my sins when I believed the Gospel as preached by Paul as recorded in 1 Cor. 15:1-4. No works will ever be able to add to anyone's salvation nor to retain salvation. It is ONLY the shed Blood of Christ.

As to the erradication of my sins, they are gone finneto, nada, destroyed... That is what the shed Blood of Christ accomplished for me given that I was saved by grace through faith, and that not of myself, but a gift from God. Nothing else will ever suffice not supplement my salvation. What about you?

So, no, we do not have to DO anything to "get rid of" our sins. We could never DO anything other than to have faith in the death, burial and resurrection on the third day for out sins and for our redemption from the resulting death to which retained sin leads. What about you?

MM
You are simply inserting yourself into the pronouns of 1st Cor. 15:1-4 and nothing more. You are asserting that the pronouns apply to you personally because you feel as if you have fulfilled the requirements of the passage (you very well may have) but your confidence does not validate your assertion. Do not be so arrogant as to assume your place before the Living God.

Take the lowly chair and humbly wait for your name to be called.

I realize this is not a popular view but I believe it to be what the Bible expects of us.

Overconfidence in our place with God has been the cause of much strife in the Church.

No one truly knows their fate until the Book of Life is opened.
 
I know that I have the Spirit because of the inspired written word of God and the promises therein. What about you?

I fully agree that the blood of Christ cleansed me of all my sins when I believed the Gospel as preached by Paul as recorded in 1 Cor. 15:1-4. No works will ever be able to add to anyone's salvation nor to retain salvation. It is ONLY the shed Blood of Christ.

As to the erradication of my sins, they are gone finneto, nada, destroyed... That is what the shed Blood of Christ accomplished for me given that I was saved by grace through faith, and that not of myself, but a gift from God. Nothing else will ever suffice not supplement my salvation. What about you?

So, no, we do not have to DO anything to "get rid of" our sins. We could never DO anything other than to have faith in the death, burial and resurrection on the third day for out sins and for our redemption from the resulting death to which retained sin leads. What about you?

MM

Are you open to scripture?

This is what JESUS said will happen when you get it.

Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

Have you cast out devils? Have you spoke in tongues?

Be for you ask, I as of now have not cast out devils but I bet it's coming as I am growing.

After this happened,

Acts 2,
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

This is what Peter said,

Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Before you say that was just for the Jews, the same thing happened to the Samaritans in Acts 8, the Gentile in Acts 10 and the Ephephens in Acts 19.

I think I asked you before, what was the Gospel that Paul is speaking of in 1 Cor 15?

Don't you know when we become DEAD TO SIN IS WHEN WE BECOME DEAD IN THE WATER OF BAPTISM?

How else do we die in our sins?

Explain what PAUL IS SAYING,

Romans 6

3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
 
Why do you insist upon placing yourself under a gospel that was not ever preached to the body of Christ? Peter preached that to Israel. That was not meant for us.

MM

Sorry you leave out Peter the one who has the keys to Heaven.

If Paul was sent to the gentiels with a different message why did he obey the same message that the rest of the disciples did?

Why did Paul get baptized in JESUS name?

Why did Paul speak in tongues?

If both was not nessary why did Paul ask the Ephenisn in Acts 19 if they have received the Holy Ghost and why did he ask them how were they baptized?

Why did Peter go to the gentiles first?

Did Paul and Peter give different Gentiles different messages?

Since I'm a Gentile how do I Know which message is for me?

Since GOD is the word and you claim it's not all for us, which other words are not for us?

Just the foundation part in the book of Acts?

Can you prove Peters message was not for us?
 
You are simply inserting yourself into the pronouns of 1st Cor. 15:1-4 and nothing more. You are asserting that the pronouns apply to you personally because you feel as if you have fulfilled the requirements of the passage (you very well may have) but your confidence does not validate your assertion. Do not be so arrogant as to assume your place before the Living God.

Take the lowly chair and humbly wait for your name to be called.

I realize this is not a popular view but I believe it to be what the Bible expects of us.

Overconfidence in our place with God has been the cause of much strife in the Church.

No one truly knows their fate until the Book of Life is opened.

What are you talking about? I didn't insert myself into anything. Pauls gospel applies to us all today.

MM
 
You are simply inserting yourself into the pronouns of 1st Cor. 15:1-4 and nothing more. You are asserting that the pronouns apply to you personally because you feel as if you have fulfilled the requirements of the passage (you very well may have) but your confidence does not validate your assertion. Do not be so arrogant as to assume your place before the Living God.

Take the lowly chair and humbly wait for your name to be called.

I realize this is not a popular view but I believe it to be what the Bible expects of us.

Overconfidence in our place with God has been the cause of much strife in the Church.

No one truly knows their fate until the Book of Life is opened.

Spot on, but it's easy to tell the fate of people who do not obey what is commanded us to do to be saved.

Acts 2:38-39
King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

After obeying 3 thousand souls were added.

"No one truly knows their fate until the Book of Life is opened"

To me making that statement leaves it up to question and HIS word is clear.

I do agree with that statement to those who are truly saved but backslide.

GOD BLESS YOU.
 
You are simply inserting yourself into the pronouns of 1st Cor. 15:1-4 and nothing more. You are asserting that the pronouns apply to you personally because you feel as if you have fulfilled the requirements of the passage (you very well may have) but your confidence does not
Are you open to scripture?

This is what JESUS said will happen when you get it.

Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

Have you cast out devils? Have you spoke in tongues?

Be for you ask, I as of now have not cast out devils but I bet it's coming as I am growing.

After this happened,

Acts 2,
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

This is what Peter said,

Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Before you say that was just for the Jews, the same thing happened to the Samaritans in Acts 8, the Gentile in Acts 10 and the Ephephens in Acts 19.

I think I asked you before, what was the Gospel that Paul is speaking of in 1 Cor 15?

Don't you know when we become DEAD TO SIN IS WHEN WE BECOME DEAD IN THE WATER OF BAPTISM?

How else do we die in our sins?

Explain what PAUL IS SAYING,

Romans 6

3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Wait a minute...you only quoted part of what was preached only to Isreal:

Mark 16:17-18 — And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

If you can't fulfill ALL of that, then you're preaching something not meant for us today. Who have you laid hands on who were healed from a deadly disease? You should be able to empty out an entire hospital. Have you done that? If not, then why? Are you so heartless as to leave sick people to die in hospitals? Please retail us with stories of all the sick you have healed through the laying on ofnhands.

The selective choosing of what people do who lay claim to what was promised ONLY to Israel is further evidence for the failure to rightly divide the word of truth by all those who point to those things as requirement upon we today to whom those things were not spoken nor written.

MM
 
Sorry you leave out Peter the one who has the keys to Heaven.

If Paul was sent to the gentiels with a different message why did he obey the same message that the rest of the disciples did?

Why did Paul get baptized in JESUS name?

Why did Paul speak in tongues?

If both was not nessary why did Paul ask the Ephenisn in Acts 19 if they have received the Holy Ghost and why did he ask them how were they baptized?

Why did Peter go to the gentiles first?

Did Paul and Peter give different Gentiles different messages?

Since I'm a Gentile how do I Know which message is for me?

Since GOD is the word and you claim it's not all for us, which other words are not for us?

Just the foundation part in the book of Acts?

Can you prove Peters message was not for us?

Those questions will never replace what Paul stated as is the Gospel of Grace to us today. Because Paul shook off a deadly serpent bite back then doesn't mean you can do the same right now. If so, then prove it. The local zoo has a 12 foot cobra that would love to inject you with several cc's of its venom so that we can all see if those things DONE back then are all valid for us today.

This is where your false theology will be demonstratably false.

MM
 
No one truly knows their fate until the Book of Life is opened.

Paul knew:

"I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. 8 Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing."

For certain, humility is desirable.
Inflated humility, though, is as appealing as self-flagellation.
 
Paul knew:

"I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. 8 Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing."

For certain, humility is desirable.
Inflated humility, though, is as appealing as self-flagellation.
Paul had confidence, he did not have foreknowledge.
 
It's not prophesy. It's relationship.

Paul knew the Father. So, Paul knew how the Lord would receive him.

Like arriving home after a business trip: I know how my wife will receive me.
That is certainly a big part of it also: knowing Jesus, and God. This is definitely distinct from knowing about them.

The only ones who know the Father are those to whom Jesus chooses to reveal Him.

This is also written.

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John 17 verses 2-3 ~ You granted Him authority over all people, so that He may give eternal life to all those You have given Him. Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, Whom You have sent.:)
 
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Matthew 11 verse 27 ~ All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him.
 
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Sorry you leave out Peter the one who has the keys to Heaven.

If Paul was sent to the gentiels with a different message why did he obey the same message that the rest of the disciples did?

Why did Paul get baptized in JESUS name?

Why did Paul speak in tongues?

If both was not nessary why did Paul ask the Ephenisn in Acts 19 if they have received the Holy Ghost and why did he ask them how were they baptized?

Why did Peter go to the gentiles first?

Did Paul and Peter give different Gentiles different messages?

Since I'm a Gentile how do I Know which message is for me?

Since GOD is the word and you claim it's not all for us, which other words are not for us?

Just the foundation part in the book of Acts?

Can you prove Peters message was not for us?

He has no answers his intent is to disqualify the gospel and create a different one that removes all God said will save people
 
Paul had confidence, he did not have foreknowledge.
Yes

He had confidence in God

Philippians 1:6
being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ;

Since he had confidence God would complete his work in Paul. He had faith that could not be broken, and he knew where he would go after he died.

Its sad people have neither confidence or faith
 
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