Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Agree. But he does to respond in a way that isn't carnal.


That's already been explained to you sir...
Why should I keep trying when you are not in a right place to receive it?

At this point, your only objective to try to wear me out. Not to learn.
So I just ignore you, like you kept ignoring what I explained several times.

No sense getting worn out over a guy like you.... ;)

You're predictable.
It has reached that stage.
 
The natural man can be painfully aware that he is a sinner.
He does not need to be spiritual to know that.
Adam knew he was a sinner very quickly. Did he respond correctly? Did he seek out the Lord and repent? No. He hid from God and, when confronted, placed the blame on everyone else. That's how the fallen natural carnal man always responds.
 
That's already been explained to you sir...
Why should I keep trying when you are not in a right place to receive it?

At this point, your only objective to try to wear me out. Not to learn.
So I just ignore you, like you kept ignoring what I explained several times.

No sense getting worn out over a guy like you.... ;)

You're predictable.
It has reached that stage.
Incorrect. You are the one pushing the issue. I never direct a post in your direction unless you first address me.
 
Paul talked about your kind....
He faced your spirits too.
Are you trying to wear me out? Or are you one of those elected to learn over the past 7 years?

Also, you still haven't answered my question: why haven't you said anything to those who deny the depravity of man that requires God to stifle the flesh and believe this is not required for salvation?
 
What's wrong @HeIsIndifferent? No one but you and your cronies have learned anything in 7 years? And you are all the aroma of Christ at this site?
Look man I'm going to be frank:
I have never ever learned anything from you. Nothing. Zero. Ever.
For all intents and purposes I think that you are 100% wrong 100% of the time. Truly its an incredible track record of failure. Soteriology, eschatology you name it.

I have assessed that I have rarely if ever been enriched or enhanced or edified or most particularly learned anything from any dyed in the wool Calvinist/super-determinist here.

On the other hand, I have learned a tremendous amount from the "volitionalists" here, the wise men and women, the scholars and scribes to whom I likewise owe an unpayable debt of gratitude.
 
Look man I'm going to be frank:
I have never ever learned anything from you. Nothing. Zero. Ever.
For all intents and purposes I think that you are 100% wrong 100% of the time. Truly its an incredible track record of failure. Soteriology, eschatology you name it.

I have assessed that I have rarely if ever been enriched or enhanced or edified or most particularly learned anything from any dyed in the wool Calvinist/super-determinist here.

On the other hand, I have learned a tremendous amount from the "volitionalists" here, the wise men and women, the scholars and scribes to whom I likewise owe an unpayable debt of gratitude.
That's sad and unfortunate.
 
Never said otherwise. Again not the point I was making. The point I was making is that the natural man is always carnal.
and reading through the 780 page of this thread so are some who claim to be born again ... at least the natural man has an excuse ... what about those who are born again ? ... do they think God doesn't notice ? ... that God won't chasten ?
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All of you remain flatliners. Its truly pathetic. You literally sound and say EXACTLY the same as 7 years ago.


Well, yes, and that's a good thing because there's only one gospel and it is singular, simple and pure. Therefore, what is preached shouldn't need change. Its basis being that salvation is fully a free gift solely given by God's grace through Jesus Christ unto those who in no way deserve it, yet with no strings or requirements attached - nothing more nor less.
I don't believe cv5 was referring to the gospel which I am in agreement with you that the gospel does not change.




rogerg said:
I'd be very worried were I you should I find continuing alterations/additions to fundamental doctrine being necessary, because by that change, you can never rest assured that you have received it all. Singleness, simplicity and unchanging nature, are indicative of having found truth.
what is "necessary" is moving on from the fundamentals of the gospel to more weightier matters. The believer can study God's Word his or her whole lifetime and never come to the end of all the Word holds. As we study we continue to grow as we learn more and more of God's Word ... and to see what is unfolding before our eyes in this present evil world ... all as God revealed so long ago ...


2 Peter 3:10-14 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

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and reading through the 780 page of this thread so are some who claim to be born again ... at least the natural man has an excuse ... what about those who are born again ? ... do they think God doesn't notice ? ... that God won't chasten ?
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Ask them. If someone tells me that I have offended them, I apologize.
 
when you post something funny, I'll laugh ... that was not funny ... I know you two think it was ... I'm sure it tickled your carnal funny bone.
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It was a joke. You may not have found it funny, but I'll take my chastisement from God. He actually is able to discern the intentions of my heart.
 
Jordon ... this verse is instruction for the born again believer. The born again believer is told that he or she is to turn from the world. The result of turning from the world will be the transformation that occurs due to the renewing of the mind.

Start reading from vs 1:

Romans 12:

1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

vs 1 – we are to yield ourselves as a living sacrifice to God ... a living sacrifice to God as opposed to the dead sacrifice under the Old Covenant. We dedicate our lives to God which is our reasonable service.

The word "reasonable" is translated from the Greek word logikos.

Vines Expository Dictionary defines logikos as follows:

pertaining to "the reasoning faculty, reasonable, rational," is used in Rom 12:1, of the service (latreia) to be rendered by believers in presenting their bodies "a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God." The sacrifice is to be intelligent, in contrast to those offered by ritual and compulsion; the presentation is to be in accordance with the spiritual intelligence of those who are new creatures in Christ and are mindful of "the mercies of God."


vs 2 – in order for us to present our bodies as living sacrifices, we are instructed to not be conformed this world (world here is translated from the Greek word = aiōn = this age) ... according to William McDonald aiōn refers to "the society or system that man has built in order to make himself happy without God".

We are to stop conforming to the world in which we live and the only way we can do this is by yielding ourselves to God ... allowing Him to conform us to the image of His Son ... which is the transformation which takes place in the renewed mind ... the mind of Christ.

Trench says that the renewing of our minds "is the gradual conforming of the man more and more to that new spiritual world into which he has been introduced and in which he now lives and moves...the restoration of the divine image”.

As we are transformed by the renewed mind, we test and prove God's good and acceptable and perfect will.

What is interesting to me in reading Rom 12:1-2 is that the verbs in these verses are as follows (the verbs are underlined):

present your bodies
living sacrifice
be not conformed to this age
be transformed by the renewing of your mind
may prove what is that good, acceptable, and perfect will of God
What interests me is that the renewing of the mind is not a verb ... the words "renewing" and "mind" are nouns, not verbs. So we do not "renew our minds" ... the renewed mind is the mind of Christ which is something God gives the believer at the time he or she is born again ... think about that ...

As I was looking into the "living sacrifice", I thought about a song that might bless you ... please listen when you're in the mood for music ...

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hi lassy how's things are you feeling better now,
 
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Look man I'm going to be frank:
I have never ever learned anything from you. Nothing. Zero. Ever.
For all intents and purposes I think that you are 100% wrong 100% of the time. Truly its an incredible track record of failure. Soteriology, eschatology you name it.

I have assessed that I have rarely if ever been enriched or enhanced or edified or most particularly learned anything from any dyed in the wool Calvinist/super-determinist here.

On the other hand, I have learned a tremendous amount from the "volitionalists" here, the wise men and women, the scholars and scribes to whom I likewise owe an unpayable debt of gratitude.


The only thing he teaches me is how to find fault.
 
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