Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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As I said, you're a lot of work.
At least read these Jer31:15-20.
Don't bother telling me there's no volition or repentant response to being chastised involved.
Matthew 11 verse 27 ~ All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him.
Look here!
Tell me after reading it.
Where is the source of our depravity to be found?
For I know that there dwells in me nothing good, that is, in my flesh.
For the will is present with me, but not to do good." Rom 7:18
Our soul is born trapped in that flesh package, and dominated by it, until the Holy Spirit indwells and takes over to control it full-time.
The soul is not the source of total depravity.
The soul, before grace controlled the flesh, was a victim of the flesh's depravity.
What does God save?
THE SOUL!
Not our body.
It is with our soul that grace makes us able to be made free to choose for God.
Irresistible grace was not an answer!
It was a quick fix to try to explain how totally depraved people can become saved.
Just like the quick fix of immaculate conception concept was made up to make the desired outcome seem feasible.
But, now we can understand enough as to why it is possible to believe.
We must be understanding Grace in its function over the flesh in salvation to see it.
1 Cor 2 v 14 is a prime target for FWers to rewrite, to make it fit their self-exalting programming.
"No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him." John 6 verse 44 The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2 verse 14 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God. Romans 8 verse 7-8
Right. My mom didn't breastfeed me long enough so I have low self-esteem and have a constant need for affirmation from strangers online. If this were the case, wouldn't I block those who weren't reaffirming, and not engage with those who threaten my fragile emotional estate?
Bible tells us that God manifests Himself through people, other forms of creation, the consciousness and they reject God. You can only reject God spiritually just like you can only accept Him and be saved spiritually.
Again, I don't disagree with your premise. I simply believe grace is more extensive than you.
You should really be talking to your friends who believe grace only informs. They don't believe the flesh needs to be overcome. They are fine as they are so long as they are informed.
You can if the Lord by means of His grace makes it as if you are not dead, just as he sees you now as if you are not a sinner but wholly righteous.
You don't read.
I said chapter 1 says the audience was to all in Rome but chapter 8 is about the ancient Hebrew Jews.
You simply are on a mission. I could just write chicken scratch and you would keep on spewing your ill view about the MOST HIGH GOD.
If you are still a natural carnal man you are still not subject to the law. Neither do you have spiritual discernment. Your choice would always be to your detriment.