Are all the spiritual gifts still active today?

[CS1]

incorrect about what?

just explained to you

 

[Karlon]

just so you know that 1cor 13:8 by its self is not the full context of the unit chapter which starts in chapter 12 through 14. You used one verse to say the gifts of the Holy Spirit has have ceased. That verse does say that.

i agree.

 

[CS1]

i agree.

then what was your point of post 252# in that post you states "no"

 

[Karlon]

then what was your point of post 252# in that post you states "no"

no, i don't think speaking in tongues is active today.

 

[GWH]

your secondary is not what you are saying. Secondary doesn't mean exclusion. and the Essential of the Gospel are

Jesus died, Jesus Buried and Jesus resurrected. That is the foundation of the faith Aal have sinned and Jesus is the only way to heaven.

in that context there is just more to understand such the need to repent, faith, belief, and discipleship. Also the Holy Spirt in the believer and his working through the Body of Christ. Your idea of "Essential" and "secondary" is more of exclusion and abandonment.

Not sure I understand the first and last parts of what you said, but I agree with the second part and say something similar in Lesson 1:

The Gospel refers to the good news concerning salvation to heaven and from a just hell (cf. Rom. 1:16, Gal. 1:6-12, Col. 1:21-23).
This Gospel was preached by Peter (in Acts 2:22-24) and summarized by Paul (in 1Cor. 15:1-8). The salient points include: Jesus
was a man, accredited by God (to be Messiah), who died on a cross, but who was raised or resurrected from the dead.
Messiah is the Way to heaven.

I also agree that the essential belief also includes the need to repent, faith, belief, discipleship and the Holy Spirit. I have
summarized the main points of the Christian creed as follows:

1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or Creator God (Deut. 6:4, John 3:16, 2Thes. 1:6), who is both able (2Tim. 1:12) and willing (1Tim. 2:3-4, Ezek. 33:11) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (Rom. 3:23, 2Tim. 3:2-4, Col. 3:5), miserable (Gal. 5:19-21), and hopeless (Eph. 2:12) or hell-bound at the judgment (Matt. 23:33 & 25:46) when they reject God’s salvation (John 3:18, Rom. 2:5-11).
3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ and incarnate Son, the way that God has chosen (John 3:16, Acts 16:30-31, Phil. 2:9-11) of providing salvation by means of his atoning death on the cross for the payment of the penalty for the sins of humanity (Rom. 3:22-25 & 5:9-11), followed by his resurrection to reign in heaven (1Cor. 15:14-28).
4. Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God’s grace or justification in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (Luke 2:11, John 14:6, Acts 16:31), at which moment God’s loving Holy Spirit of Christ indwells/baptizes the believer into the church (Rev. 3:20, Rom. 5:5, 1Cor. 12:13).
5. Loving Christ Jesus as Lord (Luke 2:11), God the Son (Matt. 16:16) or God in the human dimension (Col. 2:9) means reflecting divine love as empowered by the Holy Spirit, thereby obeying His command to love one another (Matt. 7:21, 22:37-40, John 13:35, Rom. 13:9)—forever (Matt. 10:22, Psa. 113:2), which will eventually achieve spiritual maturity on earth and heaven after Christ returns at God’s resurrection (John 14:6, 17&26, Rom. 8:6-17, Gal. 6:7-9, Eph. 1:13-14, Phil. 3:12-16, Heb. 10:36, 12:1, Jam. 1:2-4).

 

[Lamar]

Don't get mad at us because we testify to what we know and have seen.

What you have seen are simply parlor tricks meant to manipulate those without basic discernment.

What you are labeling as supernaturally "floating in air" were simple Indian magic tricks done for the amusement of Western tourists. Most tourists are not as gullible as to think this is "demonic". CS1, if you saw something really "demonic" you would soil your pants! The mind reading that you experienced were old "Uri Geller" tricks.

In other words, what you experienced in India has nothing to do with the true physical supernatural manifestations of the Holy Spirit that were happening during the New Testament times. You are just not mature enough to see pass these Indian sleight of hand con jobs.

BTW, if you are interested in how the guy in India "floated in mid-air", simply Google "Indian floating trick". You will find many videos on how it is done.

From the ease in which you were fooled by these tricks, I can safely assume you are part of the Pentecostal Movement.

I have seen what God does and even what the devil does.

In India and other places, I have been. What would you do when a person comes and begins to float in mid-air, telling you about an action those there have taken that no one knew about? Please let me know what you would do, then I will tell you what I did. I will wait. If you want to see this kind of demonic activity, let me know. I have proof of that, too.

I would love to know about your "proof of demonic activity". I am sure it is some Benny Hinn clips.

 

[CS1]

no, i don't think speaking in tongues is active today.

that is fine I am not in agreement with that but I ask what is your biblical proof it is not for today? Because 1cor 13:8 is not stating that

 

[CS1]

What you have seen are simply parlor tricks meant to manipulate those without basic discernment.

What you are labeling as supernaturally "floating in air" were simple Indian magic tricks done for the amusement of Western tourists. Most tourists are not as gullible as to think this is "demonic". CS1, if you saw something really "demonic" you would soil your pants! The mind reading that you experienced were old "Uri Geller" tricks.

In other words, what you experienced in India has nothing to do with the true physical supernatural manifestations of the Holy Spirit that were happening during the New Testament times. You are just not mature enough to see pass these Indian sleight of hand con jobs.

BTW, if you are interested in how the guy in India "floated in mid-air", simply Google "Indian floating trick". You will find many videos on how it is done.

From the ease in which you were fooled by these tricks, I can safely assume you are part of the Pentecostal Movement.


I would love to know about your "proof of demonic activity". I am sure it is some Benny Hinn clips.

so were there and saw what I saw ? what about the man as Spirit west Coast in Monterey California who manifested in the same manner ? after throwing a man about 15 feet?


First off I have seen demonic activity and after 20 years of military service and combat and death My short were and are still clean. Don't be a buffoon.


praying for the sick and they were healed doesn't mean anything either right? Testimony of that happening means it was what ? doctors and medicine. Doctors have power to bring back the dead. Again you speak as if you know what other have seen and heard trying to dismiss them based on your own rational. I don't follow benny Hinn you do. You have no biblical refutation you just say "I have not seen it." There is nothing in the word of God that states the gifts of the Holy Spirit have stopped.

That is the truth. Your inability of not seeing it doesn't remove the truth of the Gift. And we are told in scripture to desire them. 1cor chapter 12 through 14.

 

[Lamar]

that is fine I am not in agreement with that but I ask what is your biblical proof it is not for today? Because 1cor 13:8 is not stating that

What physical evidence do you have that this physical supernatural manifestation is happening today?

 

[Lamar]

so were there and saw what I saw ? what about the man as Spirit west Coast in Monterey California who manifested in the same manner ? after throwing a man about 15 feet?


First off I have seen demonic activity and after 20 years of military service and combat and death My short were and are still clean. Don't be a buffoon.


praying for the sick and they were healed doesn't mean anything either right? Testimony of that happening means it was what ? doctors and medicine. Doctors have power to bring back the dead. Again you speak as if you know what other have seen and heard trying to dismiss them based on your own rational. I don't follow benny Hinn you do. You have no biblical refutation you just say "I have not seen it." There is nothing in the word of God that states the gifts of the Holy Spirit have stopped.

That is the truth. Your inability of not seeing it doesn't remove the truth of the Gift. And we are told in scripture to desire them. 1cor chapter 12 through 14.

You really need to stop and think before you respond, your answers seem rather rushed.

Your are simply proclaiming stories as evidence of ongoing physical supernatural manifestations and then imply I am a buffoon for not believing them. You truly lack basic discernment.

I am still waiting for this evidence of "demonic" activity you claim to possess.

Also, am I correct that you are part of the Pentecostal Movement?

 

[CS1]

What physical evidence do you have that this physical supernatural manifestation is happening today?

The word of God and faith in it. what evident you have that Jesus is GOD? IF you don't use the bible ?

 

[CS1]

You really need to stop and think before you respond, your answers seem rather rushed.

Your are simply proclaiming stories as evidence of ongoing physical supernatural manifestations and then imply I am a buffoon for not believing them. You truly lack basic discernment.

I am still waiting for this evidence of "demonic" activity you claim to possess.

Also, am I correct that you are part of the Pentecostal Movement?

that is your opinion Just answer the question

 

[CS1]

You really need to stop and think before you respond, your answers seem rather rushed.

Your are simply proclaiming stories as evidence of ongoing physical supernatural manifestations and then imply I am a buffoon for not believing them. You truly lack basic discernment.

I am still waiting for this evidence of "demonic" activity you claim to possess.

Also, am I correct that you are part of the Pentecostal Movement?

no I am not part of a Pentecostal movement as you asked. I am minster of a fellowship what have had the Pentecostal experience.

I am a witness to what I have seen God do when placing faith in HIS word such as salvation at the preaching of the Gospel, healing of the sick, and empowering of the holy Spirit as Jesus said in Acts 1:8 and John chapter 14 and 15.

 

[Edify]

What physical evidence do you have that this physical supernatural manifestation is happening today?

When miracles happen in local churches, how would that get out?
Which news outlets will publish them?
Concerning how bad the world is getting, do you think the stories would be suppressed?
Do you think people on CC suppresses them?
How would you be able to discern true miracles in this times?

 

[Edify]

Instead of believing the stories, or the lack thereof, I believe the source of truth..... the Bible.

 

[Lamar]

no I am not part of a Pentecostal movement as you asked. I am minster of a fellowship what have had the Pentecostal experience.

I am a witness to what I have seen God do when placing faith in HIS word such as salvation at the preaching of the Gospel, healing of the sick, and empowering of the holy Spirit as Jesus said in Acts 1:8 and John chapter 14 and 15.

In other words, your faith is in your experiences.

You are part of the Pentecostal Movement.

 

[ResidentAlien]

When Jesus and the Apostles performed true miracles, everyone knew it. They couldn't have contained it if they wanted to. Now there's always a convenient excuse for why there's no objective proof. If someone somewhere was performing bona fide miracles, we'd know about it.

 

[Lamar]

When miracles happen in local churches, how would that get out?

The same way they got out during the New Testament times.

Which news outlets will publish them?

There were no news outlets back then but the word certainly got out!

Concerning how bad the world is getting, do you think the stories would be suppressed?

Maybe in your world but Physical Supernatural Manifestations of the Holy Spirit can not be suppressed.

Do you think people on CC suppresses them?

I don't even understand this question.

How would you be able to discern true miracles in this times?

The same way they were discerned during the time of the New Testament.

 

[Edify]

When Jesus and the Apostles performed true miracles, everyone knew it. They couldn't have contained it if they wanted to. Now there's always a convenient excuse for why there's no objective proof. If someone somewhere was performing bona fide miracles, we'd know about it.

Really? If it happened in Africa or in third world countries or arab countries?

 

[Lamar]

Instead of believing the stories, or the lack thereof, I believe the source of truth..... the Bible.

What is your point?

This whole debate is about believing or not believing current claims of physical supernatural manifestations.