Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Rufus said:
The FWers have a really tough time dealing with metaphors. Regeneration's parallel with physical life is impregnation which leads to birth, and birth leads to consciousness and awareness. And so it is with spiritual life. Spiritual life has a definite goal: Faith and Repentance!
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You were born at impregnation?

John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

I think it is you who has trouble with metaphors especially as it is not a metaphor but literally what happens.
 
lrs68 said:
But we aren't the Elected of the Bible so quit fibbing and claiming we are. We're mere Remnants of Remnants of Remnants of Remnants of Remnants.
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All New Covenant believers are the spiritual offspring of Abraham. Read Rom 4 someday. Plus the Church IS the Israel of God!
 
sawdust said:
You were born at impregnation?

John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

I think it is you who has trouble with metaphors especially as it is not a metaphor but literally what happens.
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No, but I was alive in the womb. What about you? Did you become a living being before or after your birth?
 
lrs68 said:
You need to understand that no matter how we're saved we should be willing to shout our praises from the rooftops because we were going to burn for eternity and now we're not.

If you truly loved God you would understand your current praise and worship life is inadequate for an Eternal God.
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And God appointed you to sit in his judgment seat to judge my "praise and worship life"? Arrogant very often? Better check your pride out because God give his precious grace only to the humble.
 
Rufus said:
All New Covenant believers are the spiritual offspring of Abraham. Read Rom 4 someday. Plus the Church IS the Israel of God!
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But Paul wasn't talking about us towards the Elect which were the Hebrew from the people's of the earth in Deuteronomy 32.
 
rogerg said:
The second death is the penalty of sin:

[Rev 20:6, 14 KJV] 6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. ...
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
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How many times is a man born of the Spirit and how many times does that man die spiritually? Once and never? Yes?

How many times is a man born of the flesh and dies physically? Once and once? Yes?

Now, if that man is raised up from the grave and is an unbeliever, physically alive but still spiritually dead and is thrown into the flames, will he not die a second physical death?

The second death is physical not spiritual for those who enter were never spiritually alive at any time.
 
Rufus said:
And God appointed you to sit in his judgment seat to judge my "praise and worship life"? Arrogant very often? Better check your pride out because God give his precious grace only to the humble.
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I can tell what your praise life is like by your misuse of the Bible.
 
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Isaiah 41 verses 11-12, and 29 verse 20, plus 2 Thessalonians 1 verse 9a ~ Behold, all who rage against You will be ashamed and disgraced; those who contend with You will be reduced to nothing and will perish. You will seek them but will not find them. Those who wage war against You will come to nothing. For the ruthless will vanish, the mockers will disappear, and all who look for evil will be cut down. They will suffer the penalty of eternal destruction.
 
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lrs68 said:
But Paul wasn't talking about us towards the Elect which were the Hebrew from the people's of the earth in Deuteronomy 32.
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I am sorry to jump in like this but what? where does Paul state this? in fact where does scripture even imply this?
 
Rufus said:
Well...here's a newsflash for you: God give his grace to only the humble -- not to a proud, arrogant, God-hating world.
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Right those pesky Israelites who shunned His rescue from Egypt never experienced His power and will by means of His grace. :rolleyes:

Do good to those who hate you and bless those who curse you except if you're the god of Rufus. You can only be gracious to those who love you, sorry, to those who you choose to love you.
 
sawdust said:
No you haven't. You have a man dead and alive at the same time. How is that possible? If one is not saved at regeneration he is still dead in his sin. Spiritually alive and spiritually dead simultaneously. He may as well be Schrodinger's cat.
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You keep conflating spiritual life and eternal life.
 
lrs68 said:
But Paul wasn't talking about us towards the Elect which were the Hebrew from the people's of the earth in Deuteronomy 32.
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Not according to the NT! Your hermeneutical methodology is totally backwards.
 
Blain said:
I am sorry to jump in like this but what? where does Paul state this? in fact where does scripture even imply this?
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It's implied when God elected Jacob in Deuteronomy and Paul is referencing it to the Jews of his day in his Letter. The Jews would immediately go to Deuteronomy.
 
Blain said:
This is a very arrogant statement and no you do not know their praise and worship life only they and God does. You need to stop with this nonesense you have no insight into their lives like that.
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Is it arrogant or the truth that bothers you most?
 
Cameron143 said:
You keep conflating spiritual life and eternal life.
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No I don't. Eternal life is knowing God. Jn.17:3 Spiritual life is the opposite of being dead in our sin. Jn.3:6

You can be spiritually alive yet sin. So how well do you think we know God when we sin?
 
lrs68 said:
Their headquarters and Denomination pays their salaries. If they don't preach according to the Reformed Standards the organization wouldn't keep paying their salaries.
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Sorry, but salaries/benefits/etc are determined at the local church level, not by the denomination. Rather than the denomination supporting churches, it is the churches that support the denomination. If a problem does occur it is settled at the local level 1st, if not it rises to the Presbytery for decision, if still not solved it gets elevated to the General Assembly.

You really should not discuss something that you know nothing about!
 
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