Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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lrs68 said:
He wasn't speaking about being conformed but how the same world He is dying for hates Him.
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ok I'm beginning to understand your faith,

You feal that love can overcome hate.
But hate can't overcome the love Jesus has for the world.

But you do know that all tho you would like people lost in hate to come to the lord. He will still reject
 
studier said:
At best you've misunderstood me. At worst, you willfully misrepresent me.



As I said, you simply built your natural man theory into your premise (rhetorically presented as a question). Two of us commented on this. It was simple to see. Here you expose what was included in your original rhetorical question. It's been countered several times.
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My question dealt with the truth concerning life. It wasn't rhetorical. It was designed to be answered. You made the assumption it was rhetorical and had a premise built in. What would have been discovered if the question was answered truthfully is that another's premise upon which her argument was grounded was false. It was beginning to make an impact because her wording changed. She began with there could be no sanctification before justification. She then changed that to no regeneration. Then I pointed out that this isn't found in scripture, and that in nature as well as the Bible this is so. Rufus also added a salient point that the whole new covenant is predicated on the truth that God regenerates individuals for the purpose of obedience.
 
lrs68 said:
Because the foreknown in Romans 8:29-30 and Ephesians 1 are the ancient Hebrew Jews not the modern day Christian. Paul was addressing people of that day not the future.
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I have to ask another thought about this.

Has it ever occured to you that perhaps God did predestine only one group of people
On the bases that those people would still have to persevere in there faith untill the end before salvation was gained.
 
Cameron143 said:
You're an exasperating case. The very things you find fault with in others, you don't even realize you practice.
I don't make a practice of judging whether people on a website are saved or not. You can ask the question a number of different ways, but my answer is the same.
As I tried to explain earlier, I didn't agree with her statement or disagree with it. I put a friendly emoji acknowledging that she addressed my post. I usually use that emoji for that purpose if I don't intend to give a response. While I believe most people here understand the gospel, I don't believe most people understand the outworking of salvation. Neither do I believe understanding the outworking of salvation is necessary for someone to be saved.

At this point, I have explained my position. You can believe what I've shared or not. Grace and peace.
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Great point! On the day of my new birth from above I didn't understand the nuts and bolts of salvation either -- or as you put it the "outworking of salvation". Nor did I need to at that point in time. But as grew in grace and the knowledge of the Lord, God revealed to me through His Word how and why He saved me and what He expects of his covenant people.
 
Cameron143 said:
My question dealt with the truth concerning life. It wasn't rhetorical. It was designed to be answered. You made the assumption it was rhetorical and had a premise built in. What would have been discovered if the question was answered truthfully is that another's premise upon which her argument was grounded was false. It was beginning to make an impact because her wording changed. She began with there could be no sanctification before justification. She then changed that to no regeneration. Then I pointed out that this isn't found in scripture, and that in nature as well as the Bible this is so. Rufus also added a salient point that the whole new covenant is predicated on the truth that God regenerates individuals for the purpose of obedience.
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I assume you're speaking about @HeIsHere. I doubt you or @Rufus were making an impact on her with deterministic theory. I'll let her answer for herself.
 
studier said:
I assume you're speaking about @HeIsHere. I doubt you or @Rufus were making an impact on her with deterministic theory. I'll let her answer for herself.
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Asserting that life is always present before activity isn't determinism. It's simply truth. The fact that you think that truth being shared is determinism simply shows your presumption and bias.
 
Genez said:
Because it helps some to understand it.
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What I would like is for you to clarify for me is what YOU think the nature of "freewill" is. Do you believe that you have a libertine type of volition? And I'll make it easy for you to answer by giving you a definition of "libertine" to wit:

Main Entry:lib£er£tine
Pronunciation:*li-b*r-*t*n
Function:noun
Etymology:Middle English libertyn freedman, from Latin libertinus, from libertinus, adjective, of a freedman, from libertus freedman, from liber
Date:1577

1 usually disparaging : a freethinker especially in religious matters
2 : a person who is unrestrained by convention or morality; specifically : one leading a dissolute life
–libertine adjective
 
Magenta said:
It would be a good idea to apply that type of thinking to the whole idea of "free will."
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What church do you go to magenta,

May I ask are there actually any people you know who call themselves Calvinists,

And if so what's your view on people refering to themselves as Calvinists.
 
Jordon said:
ok I'm beginning to understand your faith,

You feal that love can overcome hate.
But hate can't overcome the love Jesus has for the world.

But you do know that all tho you would like people lost in hate to come to the lord. He will still reject
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Actually that's not my belief but Jesus did say choose between the wide and narrow path. He said many times to choose. If God says choose and man says the opposite who should we obey, God or man?
 
Jordon said:
I have to ask another thought about this.

Has it ever occured to you that perhaps God did predestine only one group of people
On the bases that those people would still have to persevere in there faith untill the end before salvation was gained.
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I said God did that the ancient Hebrew Jew.
 
lrs68 said:
Actually that's not my belief but Jesus did say choose between the wide and narrow path. He said many times to choose. If God says choose and man says the opposite who should we obey, God or man?
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well that could be in the bases of a warning it may not mean you can determine your own path
 
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