The mark of the beast?

[Follower777]

... those who walk in the spirit through faith accomplish all of the righteousness of the law.

That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Romans 8:4

"Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law." Romans 3:28
Paul teaches that justification comes by faith, not by works of the law, ( the deeds), affirming that righteousness is achieved through faith, not through legalistic observance. I keep Sabbath, ( and the law) because of, "Walking in the Spirit" I LOVE JESUS, and He is the embodiment of the Law, by His doing the Will of the Father, Jesus kept the Law PERFECTLY, fulfilling the Law, being our example & SAVOIR, The Lamb of God. Praise God !! & Amen !!

Galatians 2:16 - "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith OF Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."

SO ! You believe you are "walking in the Spirit", ... and therefore, you are keeping the Commandments and have the Righteousness of Christ.

We Christ believing Christians believe, that "Walking in the spirit through faith" allows individuals to fulfill all the righteousness of the law because it is not by human effort alone that righteousness is achieved. Instead, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled through the work of the Holy Spirit in the believer's life. It is not through legalistic obedience to the law that one is justified, but through the Grace of Christ, which enables believers to live in accordance with God's commandments. Through faith, they receive Christ's righteousness, which transforms their character and empowers them to live in harmony with God's law."

The law remains as God's unchanging standard, but it is only through the faith that unites believers with Christ that they can live in a way that honors and fulfills God's law.

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world." 1 John 4:1
You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes, nor figs from thistles, are they? Matt 7:16

So, ... "testing the spirits" ... and observing "their fruits" .. by your own admissions, you are not living "in harmony with God's Law"
Therefore, you are not "walking in the Spirit" ... This is the delusion / deception into which Satan has convinced & convicted the World, in particular the apostate Protestant Churches, to disregarding God's Law, unto disobedience, becoming the False Prophet, primed for receiving the MARK OF THE BEAST, ( anti-Sabbath legislation ) ... in it's union with The Beast, of Rev. 13: 1-18.

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. ~~ Rev 18: 4-5

"... If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God ..." Rev 14: 10-11

SO ! Here we are on topic.. The Mark of the Beast .. Which is what The Three Angels Message is warning us about ..
It's Sabbath here in Middle TN, for all you none believers and I MUST get about my Father's Work .. Will talk with you later
Happy Sabbath, Ya'all & Blessings .. I pray ... Amen

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Romans 8:4

"Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law." Romans 3:28
Paul teaches that justification comes by faith, not by works of the law, ( the deeds), affirming that righteousness is achieved through faith, not through legalistic observance. I keep Sabbath, ( and the law) because of, "Walking in the Spirit" I LOVE JESUS, and He is the embodiment of the Law, by His doing the Will of the Father, Jesus kept the Law PERFECTLY, fulfilling the Law, being our example & SAVOIR, The Lamb of God. Praise God !! & Amen !!

Galatians 2:16 - "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith OF Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."

SO ! You believe you are "walking in the Spirit", ... and therefore, you are keeping the Commandments and have the Righteousness of Christ.

We Christ believing Christians believe, that "Walking in the spirit through faith" allows individuals to fulfill all the righteousness of the law because it is not by human effort alone that righteousness is achieved. Instead, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled through the work of the Holy Spirit in the believer's life. It is not through legalistic obedience to the law that one is justified, but through the Grace of Christ, which enables believers to live in accordance with God's commandments. Through faith, they receive Christ's righteousness, which transforms their character and empowers them to live in harmony with God's law."

The law remains as God's unchanging standard, but it is only through the faith that unites believers with Christ that they can live in a way that honors and fulfills God's law.

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world." 1 John 4:1
You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes, nor figs from thistles, are they? Matt 7:16

So, ... "testing the spirits" ... and observing "their fruits" .. by your own admissions, you are not living "in harmony with God's Law"
Therefore, you are not "walking in the Spirit" ... This is the delusion / deception into which Satan has convinced & convicted the World, in particular the apostate Protestant Churches, to disregarding God's Law, unto disobedience, becoming the False Prophet, primed for receiving the MARK OF THE BEAST, ( anti-Sabbath legislation ) ... in it's union with The Beast, of Rev. 13: 1-18.

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. ~~ Rev 18: 4-5

"... If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God ..." Rev 14: 10-11

SO ! Here we are on topic.. The Mark of the Beast .. Which is what The Three Angels Message is warning us about ..
It's Sabbath here in Middle TN, for all you none believers and I MUST get about my Father's Work .. Will talk with you later
Happy Sabbath, Ya'all & Blessings .. I pray ... Amen

People will be judged by following the words of Christ, not by following the law of Moses.

And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. John 12:47-49​

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I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. Deuteronomy 18:18-19​

 

[Jackson129]

Honestly I think the sabbath is just not working 7 day a week. If your job starts on wednsday then its Tuesday all its saying is dont work 7 days a week. Its a sign of deeper problems like being a slave to money or being an actual slave to something other than God

 

[Inquisitor]

You and I don’t study the Bible the same, that is where I learned the things I believe.

You just shot a hole in one.

You have an interpretation that you were taught from a much older Christian tradition.

Your historical interpretation includes the nine or ten commandments from Exodus 20.

I read the New Testament and the law belonged to Israel and not to the Gentile nations.

The fact of the matter is that those ten commandments were given to covenant Israel only.

We don't study the Bible the same way!

You were taught from a young age a corrupted interpretation of the text.

You will not be able to understand what I am saying because you have been conditioned
to practice the law.

Galatians 5:13-14
For you were called to freedom, brethren; only do not turn your freedom into an opportunity for the flesh,
but through love serve one another. For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement,
“You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

What is that "one word", rrcn?

Hint: the apostle John mentions that one word 39 times!

 

[Inquisitor]

That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Romans 8:4

"Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law." Romans 3:28
Paul teaches that justification comes by faith, not by works of the law, ( the deeds), affirming that righteousness is achieved through faith, not through legalistic observance. I keep Sabbath, ( and the law) because of, "Walking in the Spirit" I LOVE JESUS, and He is the embodiment of the Law, by His doing the Will of the Father, Jesus kept the Law PERFECTLY, fulfilling the Law, being our example & SAVOIR, The Lamb of God. Praise God !! & Amen !!

Galatians 2:16 - "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith OF Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."

SO ! You believe you are "walking in the Spirit", ... and therefore, you are keeping the Commandments and have the Righteousness of Christ.

We Christ believing Christians believe, that "Walking in the spirit through faith" allows individuals to fulfill all the righteousness of the law because it is not by human effort alone that righteousness is achieved. Instead, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled through the work of the Holy Spirit in the believer's life. It is not through legalistic obedience to the law that one is justified, but through the Grace of Christ, which enables believers to live in accordance with God's commandments. Through faith, they receive Christ's righteousness, which transforms their character and empowers them to live in harmony with God's law."

The law remains as God's unchanging standard, but it is only through the faith that unites believers with Christ that they can live in a way that honors and fulfills God's law.

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world." 1 John 4:1
You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes, nor figs from thistles, are they? Matt 7:16

So, ... "testing the spirits" ... and observing "their fruits" .. by your own admissions, you are not living "in harmony with God's Law"
Therefore, you are not "walking in the Spirit" ... This is the delusion / deception into which Satan has convinced & convicted the World, in particular the apostate Protestant Churches, to disregarding God's Law, unto disobedience, becoming the False Prophet, primed for receiving the MARK OF THE BEAST, ( anti-Sabbath legislation ) ... in it's union with The Beast, of Rev. 13: 1-18.

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. ~~ Rev 18: 4-5

"... If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God ..." Rev 14: 10-11

SO ! Here we are on topic.. The Mark of the Beast .. Which is what The Three Angels Message is warning us about ..
It's Sabbath here in Middle TN, for all you none believers and I MUST get about my Father's Work .. Will talk with you later
Happy Sabbath, Ya'all & Blessings .. I pray ... Amen

On the topic of being led by the Holy Spirit.

I will ask you for an honest answer to the following question.

1 Corinthians 14:37
If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord’s commandment.

Do you recognize the gifts and ministries of the Holy Spirit are the Lord's commandment as Paul specified?

Be very careful how you answer that question, Follower 777.

I need to know whether you obey the Lord's commandment or not?

 

[Inquisitor]

Ellen White.

Ellen was a foundational member of the SDA.

The Catholics, Reformers, and some Protestant churches also carried the ten commandments.

This legalism has a very deep history.

I believe Ellen was a former Methodist

Yes, Methodists do hold the Ten Commandments, specifically the moral commandments within them, which John Wesley, the founder of Methodism, affirmed as still binding for Christians. (Google)

Yes, Ellen White was raised as a Methodist and was a member of the Methodist Church but was forced out along with her family when they began to follow the teachings of William Miller. Her family was a devout member of the Methodist Church, but their shared interest in the imminent return of Jesus, a doctrine central to the Millerite movement, led to their expulsion from the church. (Google)

Ellen White followed William Miller and his eschatology, Ellen was a Millerite.

 

[God-fearing]

Honestly I think the sabbath is just not working 7 day a week. If your job starts on wednsday then its Tuesday all its saying is dont work 7 days a week. Its a sign of deeper problems like being a slave to money or being an actual slave to something other than God

The sabbath is a appointed time as i see it. As it is written but on the 7th day refers to a set day. It is to reflect the goodness of God and also the counsel.

 

[God-fearing]

You just shot a hole in one.

You have an interpretation that you were taught from a much older Christian tradition.

Your historical interpretation includes the nine or ten commandments from Exodus 20.

I read the New Testament and the law belonged to Israel and not to the Gentile nations.

The fact of the matter is that those ten commandments were given to covenant Israel only.

We don't study the Bible the same way!

You were taught from a young age a corrupted interpretation of the text.

You will not be able to understand what I am saying because you have been conditioned
to practice the law.

Galatians 5:13-14
For you were called to freedom, brethren; only do not turn your freedom into an opportunity for the flesh,
but through love serve one another. For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement,
“You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

What is that "one word", rrcn?

Hint: the apostle John mentions that one word 39 times!

So its ok for Christians to murder? Commit adultery.? Dishonor parents? False witness? Steal?

 

[Inquisitor]

So its ok for Christians to murder? Commit adultery.? Dishonor parents? False witness? Steal?

You have such a small list of sins.

Galatians 5:18-21
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. Now the deeds of the flesh are evident,
which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger,
disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you,
just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Did you notice "and things like these" so the list is far longer.

There is a significant difference between the deeds of the flesh and the ten commandments.

You must be led by the Holy Spirit and not the letter of the law.

 

[Inquisitor]

The sabbath is a appointed time as i see it. As it is written but on the 7th day refers to a set day. It is to reflect the goodness of God and also the counsel.

According to Christian theology, Jesus fulfilled the Sabbath law, not by abolishing it, but by embodying its true meaning as a shadow of the spiritual rest and freedom found in Him. By offering rest from sin and the burden of the Law through His sacrifice, Jesus became the reality that the Old Testament Sabbath foreshadowed. Christians now enter this spiritual rest in Christ, rather than being bound by the ritualistic observance of the Old Testament Sabbath day. (Google)

Luke 24:44
Now He said to them, “These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things
which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled".

The law existed for you and everyone else to transgress and you became aware of your sin.

The law existed for Jesus to fulfill and that is why the law existed in the first place.

Unless you believe that you can fulfill the law which I don't think you can.

In these verses, we read of Paul's explanation for why the law was given. The law served to reveal sin,
and left no way out for the people until Christ came to fulfill the law and provide salvation. It drives people
to the gospel. Yet, the law is only temporary and does not grant life.

 

[God-fearing]

You have such a small list of sins.

Galatians 5:18-21
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. Now the deeds of the flesh are evident,
which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger,
disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you,
just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Did you notice "and things like these" so the list is far longer.

There is a significant difference between the deeds of the flesh and the ten commandments.

You must be led by the Holy Spirit and not the letter of the law.

You said it was a covenant to israel only....dont agree that's it.
,the rest in the sabbath is for both spiritual and physical,
My view point is this why is it that when a certain things are not fully known why does it become spiritual?

The sabbath can be found in Genesis with our first parent's. God came to fellowship with them in the garden, when it was the cool part of that day. Time ,place, fellowship.
Jesus said my peace I give you is the assurance that his work is complete and fulfilled for its not of this world.
the sabbath was made for man to rest, reflect, and fellowship without distraction.
it was brought into the commandments to remember the sabbath and keep it holy,

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

New covenant sabbath keeping is guarding in the fear of God against doing works of the flesh and sanctifying the lord in our hearts always. The temple of God is holy, and doing works of the flesh defiles it. Therefore, guarding against doing works of the flesh sanctifies the temple. Ceasing from works of the flesh by entering into Christ's rest through faith in his completed sanctiying work is keeping the 4th commandment.

Old Covenant

You shall guard my sabbaths, and revere (fear) my sanctuary: I am the LORD. Leviticus 19:30​

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Guard the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD your God hath commanded you. Deuteronomy 5:12​

New Covenant

Don't you know that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If any man corrupts the temple of God, God will corrupt him, for the temple of God is holy, which temple you are. 1 Corinthians 3:16-17​

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But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: 1 Peter 3:15​

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Therefore there remains a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his [Christ's] rest, has also ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Therefore let us labor to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. Hebrews 4:9-11​

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Just as the guarding sabbaths were a sign separating Israel from the nations, so is guarding against doing works of the flesh the distinguishing sign separating God's people from the world. Those who have been proven faithful to conquer and rule their own flesh will be entrusted to rule nations.

But that which you have already hold until I come. And he that conquers and guards my works unto the end, I will give to him authority over the nations: Revelation 2:25-26​

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[Hakawaka]

A wonderful post but the fact is that the Sabbath commandment appeared in Exodus 20.

The Sabbath commandment is the law.

Gentiles were never under that law.

Covenant Israel had the Sabbath commandment and that was federal law in Israel.

Galatians 5:2
Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you.
And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law.
You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

Who taught you that you were under the law?

Remember that the sabbath predates the 10 commandments. It is established at creation already. God rested on the 7th day and sanctified it.

 

[Inquisitor]

You said it was a covenant to israel only....dont agree that's it.
,the rest in the sabbath is for both spiritual and physical,
My view point is this why is it that when a certain things are not fully known why does it become spiritual?

The sabbath can be found in Genesis with our first parent's. God came to fellowship with them in the garden, when it was the cool part of that day. Time ,place, fellowship.
Jesus said my peace I give you is the assurance that his work is complete and fulfilled for its not of this world.
the sabbath was made for man to rest, reflect, and fellowship without distraction.
it was brought into the commandments to remember the sabbath and keep it holy,

You are mistaken in your understanding of the covenant between Israel and God.

The Sabbath requires some effort and planning on the preparation day. One must make sure
all meals are prepared, any chores are done before the commencement of the Sabbath.
The Sabbath is definitely a works based routine to gain righteousness. To Jews the whole point
of obedience to the law is generating their own righteousness.

Romans 4:13
For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law,
but through the righteousness of faith.

Romans 9:30
What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness,
even the righteousness which is by faith.

The law does not grant righteousness.

Spiritual means the work of the Holy Spirit within our hearts and minds.

It is an inner and continuous regeneration.

The law demands your obedience but does not deliver eternal life as a reward.

The law was temporary until Christ fulfilled that law.

 

[Inquisitor]

Remember that the sabbath predates the 10 commandments. It is established at creation already. God rested on the 7th day and sanctified it.

The Sabbath is listed in Exodus 20 and was a legal requirement for Israel.

Are you saying that Adam had the ten commandments?

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Remember that the sabbath predates the 10 commandments. It is established at creation already. God rested on the 7th day and sanctified it.

No it didn't. 2 different sabbaths. The creation sabbath has never ended; God is still resting from that work. Weekly sabbaths start and top every week.

 

[Hakawaka]

The Sabbath is listed in Exodus 20 and was a legal requirement for Israel.

Are you saying that Adam had the ten commandments?

Nope. But they clearly had some sort of idea of laws even before Moses.

Abraham was said to keep the Lord's commandments and statutes.

Noah was told to bring clean and unclean animals, yet Noah knew the difference even though Moses wasn't even born yet and the law of Moses wasnt given.

 

[Mem]

Wouldn't it be ironic, though, if indeed, rather than Sunday being the mark of the beast as SDA's assert, but working to keep the Sabbath actually is the mark of the beast, whose, btw, calculation is the number of man.
Mark 2:27
27Then Jesus declared, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28Therefore, the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

Should we not be careful that we are not worshipping the day rather than the Lord of all days?

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Should we not be careful that we are not worshipping the day rather than the Lord of all days?

That's kind of the essence of the matter, I think. Sabbatarians seem to think sabbaths sanctify them, which suggests they think sabbaths are more holy than they, the body and temple of the lord, are.

 

[Gideon300]

What do you guys think the mark of the beast is?

There are prototypes everywhere. In the West, it is political correctness. In China, it is conformity to whatever the state deems to be true. Authoritarian nations permit no criticism. The West thinks it is democratic and free. Garbage. Try being a scientist who promotes Intelligent Design or who rejects the theory of evolution. Try speaking out about mass immigration of people hostile to Christianity and Christian values. Europe is almost totally antichrist. America is not so far behind.

The world is being programmed to conform absolutely to the policies of its rulers. That's hardly surprising. Satan is the god of this world and he controls it.

Ultimately, the mark of the beast will be evidence that you conform to the rule of the beast. Obviously that will include that you reject the Lord Jesus in favour of the rule of the beast. Those who refuse to bow down will be executed.

Since I won't be here to see it, I'm not concerned for myself. I have two children and I am concerned for them.