The mark of the beast?

[Inquisitor]

I think Paul's man of lawlessness is the false prophet in Revelation. I don't think a man will ascend out of the bottomless pit like the 1st beast will, whereas the 2nd beast (false prophet) arises from the earth

You said:
Could the false prophet be the anti-Christ of 2 Thessalonians 2?

ChatGPT said:

Excellent question. Let’s walk through it carefully, Scripture only.
1. The False Prophet (Revelation 13:11–18; 19:20)

• A second beast arises from the earth, with two horns like a lamb but speaks like a dragon (Rev 13:11).
• Exercises authority of the first beast (Rev 13:12).
• Performs great signs and deceives those who dwell on earth (Rev 13:13–14).
• Causes people to worship the first beast and receive its mark (Rev 13:12, 16–17).
• In the end, the beast and the false prophet are both cast alive into the lake of fire (Rev 19:20).

The false prophet is not the same as the first beast but works alongside it as a religious/spiritual deceiver.
2. The Man of Lawlessness (2 Thessalonians 2:3–10)

• Exalts himself above every so-called god (v. 4).
• Sits in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God (v. 4).
• His coming is by Satan’s power with false signs and wonders (v. 9).
• Deceives those who refuse the truth (v. 10).
• Destroyed by the coming of Christ (v. 8).

His defining trait is self-exaltation and deceptive signs.
3. Comparison

• Signs and wonders: Both the false prophet (Rev 13:13–14) and the man of lawlessness (2 Thess 2:9) deceive with miraculous works.
• Deception: Both lead people astray spiritually (Rev 13:14; 2 Thess 2:10).
• Worship: The false prophet directs worship to the beast; the man of lawlessness claims worship for himself.
• End: The false prophet is destroyed with the beast (Rev 19:20); the man of lawlessness is destroyed by Christ’s appearing (2 Thess 2:8).

4. Conclusion from Scripture

• Overlap: Both are deceivers using signs and wonders, empowered by Satan, leading people into false worship.
• Difference:
  • The false prophet promotes worship of another (the beast).
  • The man of lawlessness demands worship of himself.

Therefore, Scripture does not equate the false prophet with the man of lawlessness. They share similarities in deception, but their roles are distinct.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

You said:
Could the false prophet be the anti-Christ of 2 Thessalonians 2?

ChatGPT said:

Excellent question. Let’s walk through it carefully, Scripture only.
1. The False Prophet (Revelation 13:11–18; 19:20)

• A second beast arises from the earth, with two horns like a lamb but speaks like a dragon (Rev 13:11).
• Exercises authority of the first beast (Rev 13:12).
• Performs great signs and deceives those who dwell on earth (Rev 13:13–14).
• Causes people to worship the first beast and receive its mark (Rev 13:12, 16–17).
• In the end, the beast and the false prophet are both cast alive into the lake of fire (Rev 19:20).

The false prophet is not the same as the first beast but works alongside it as a religious/spiritual deceiver.
2. The Man of Lawlessness (2 Thessalonians 2:3–10)

• Exalts himself above every so-called god (v. 4).
• Sits in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God (v. 4).
• His coming is by Satan’s power with false signs and wonders (v. 9).
• Deceives those who refuse the truth (v. 10).
• Destroyed by the coming of Christ (v. 8).

His defining trait is self-exaltation and deceptive signs.
3. Comparison

• Signs and wonders: Both the false prophet (Rev 13:13–14) and the man of lawlessness (2 Thess 2:9) deceive with miraculous works.
• Deception: Both lead people astray spiritually (Rev 13:14; 2 Thess 2:10).
• Worship: The false prophet directs worship to the beast; the man of lawlessness claims worship for himself.
• End: The false prophet is destroyed with the beast (Rev 19:20); the man of lawlessness is destroyed by Christ’s appearing (2 Thess 2:8).

4. Conclusion from Scripture

• Overlap: Both are deceivers using signs and wonders, empowered by Satan, leading people into false worship.
• Difference:
  • The false prophet promotes worship of another (the beast).
  • The man of lawlessness demands worship of himself.

Therefore, Scripture does not equate the false prophet with the man of lawlessness. They share similarities in deception, but their roles are distinct.

Surely you don't think AI has spiritual discernment, or even intelligence? It will certainly be used by the beast to deceive the world.

If the man of sin is the head (leader) of the 1st beast, for he is the 8th head out of the 7th head, then his promoting the beast is promoting himself. He has all of the authority of the 1st beast, so they are essentially the same, with the 2nd being the head.

Which brings up another interesting point. If the 2nd beast is the 8th head which is out of the 7th head, and the 2nd beast is a man, how can the 1st beast also be a man that the 2nd beast is out of?

 

[Inquisitor]

Surely you don't think AI has spiritual discernment, or even intelligence? It will certainly be used by the beast to deceive the world.

If the man of sin is the head (leader) of the 1st beast, for he is the 8th head out of the 7th head, then his promoting the beast is promoting himself. He has all of the authority of the 1st beast, so they are essentially the same, with the 2nd being the head.

Which brings up another interesting point. If the 2nd beast is the 8th head which is out of the 7th head, and the 2nd beast is a man, how can the 1st beast also be a man that the 2nd beast is out of?

Of course I don't think AI is anything but a powerful tool.

A tool that can in under a second list all the verses in the N.T. that relate to a topic.

The first beast is described by the personal pronouns, 'he', 'him'.

Let’s stay within Scripture only, as you’ve asked.


1. Occurrences of the First Beast referred to with he/him (Revelation 13)

The first beast rises from the sea in Revelation 13:1. When John describes him, he shifts into personal pronouns (he, him).


Here are the key verses:

• Revelation 13:4 – “And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?”
• Revelation 13:5 – “And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.”
• Revelation 13:6 – “And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.”
• Revelation 13:7 – “And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.”
• Revelation 13:8 – “And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.”
• Revelation 13:12 (referring to the second beast pointing back to the first): “…and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.” → here the focus is still on the first beast, but not explicitly “he/him.”
• Revelation 13:14 – “…saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.” (implicit “he lived”).
• Revelation 13:15 – “…that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.” (the pronoun is indirect here, still referring to the first beast’s image).

So the main direct uses of he/him referring to the first beast are in Rev 13:4–8.


2. The Seven Kings and the Eighth (Revelation 17)

The beast is further explained in Revelation 17:

• Revelation 17:9-11
  “The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.”

Breakdown:

• Seven Kings
  1. Five are fallen – past powers/empires already gone at John’s time.
  2. One is – the current ruling power in John’s day (1st century).
  3. The other is not yet come – a future king/kingdom that will exist briefly.
• The Eighth King
  • “The beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.”
  • This eighth king is identified with the beast itself.
  • It arises out of the seven but is distinct as an ultimate manifestation.
  • Its destiny is destruction (perdition).

To summarize:

• The first beast is called “he/him” directly in Rev 13:4–8.
• The seven kings represent successive powers: five fallen, one current (in John’s time), one future for a short while.
• The eighth king is the beast itself—both a continuation of the seven and yet distinct, destined for destruction.

 

[Hakawaka]

I think Paul's man of lawlessness is the false prophet in Revelation. I don't think a man will ascend out of the bottomless pit like the 1st beast will, whereas the 2nd beast (false prophet) arises from the earth

Ditto. I share this view as well, if futurism is the right view then I see the sea beast representing the kingdom, and the beast from the earth as an individual man. Based on the actions of that earth beast and the fact that the sea beast has many heads, one of them which receives a deadly wound. The horns / heads represent kings of the said kingdom in Scripture.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Ditto. I share this view as well, if futurism is the right view then I see the sea beast representing the kingdom, and the beast from the earth as an individual man. Based on the actions of that earth beast and the fact that the sea beast has many heads, one of them which receives a deadly wound. The horns / heads represent kings of the said kingdom in Scripture.

The first beast looks to symbolize the reign of earthly rebellion throughout history until the end. 5 heads have been; one is; one was, is not and comes into being for a short time and goes into destruction, which will be the complete destruction of earthly rule during the age of the 1st Adam.

Another way to look at it is this. The 1st beast (kingdom of satan), 2nd beast (man of sin/false prophet) and Babylon (city of abominations) are all different aspects of the same thing because they all rule the world. All different aspects of the same thing - the temporal reign of sin on earth.

And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the authority of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. Revelation 13:11-12​

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And the woman which thou sawest is that great city [Babylon], which reigneth over the kings of the earth. Revelation 17:18​

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This is analogous to the body of Christ (kingdom of God), the lamb of God (sinless son of man/true prophet) and Jerusalem (the city of God). All of these will rule the world in the age of the 2nd Adam (millenium). All different aspects of the same thing - the eternal reign of righteousness on earth.

 

[resto]

What do you guys think the mark of the beast is?

Just That. A Mark that somehow changes a person in an irreversible way. It not only works on the Brain but in the Soul. It is the Name and Number of The Beast. The Bible doesnt say that the Mark tracks buying and selling, it says you cant buy or sell without it. What ever it is it makes a person completely subservient to Satan.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The first beast is described by the personal pronouns, 'he', 'him'.

This will be an interesting topic to explore, which I haven't done yet, but just looking quickly, in Revelation 13:1 and 13;7 the beast is described as it (αυτω), ie, neuter gender. This shows how retarded AI is. It's not even capable of looking at the original text to determine what is true, but just scrapes the internet for what other people are saying.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

This will be an interesting topic to explore, which I haven't done yet, but just looking quickly, in Revelation 13:1 and 13;7 the beast is described as it (αυτω), ie, neuter gender. This shows how retarded AI is. It's not even capable of looking at the original text to determine what is true, but just scrapes the internet for what other people are saying.

In Revelation 13:14 neuter gender is also used for the 2nd beast. So gender can't be used to determine the physical nature of the two beasts. In both cases it's calling a wild beast it, as we would.

 

[Inquisitor]

This will be an interesting topic to explore, which I haven't done yet, but just looking quickly, in Revelation 13:1 and 13;7 the beast is described as it (αυτω), ie, neuter gender. This shows how retarded AI is. It's not even capable of looking at the original text to determine what is true, but just scrapes the internet for what other people are saying.

I restrict AI in it's analysis to the N.T. only in the question.

That removes the interference of theology in AI's reply.

AI cannot scrape the internet when the question excludes that.

AI can pass any degree course at university, so by any measure, AI has intelligence.

The first beast sits in the temple of God.

How can a kingdom sit in a chair inside the temple of God?

Your stretching the literal meaning of the text with your interpretation.

 

[Inquisitor]

Just That. A Mark that somehow changes a person in an irreversible way. It not only works on the Brain but in the Soul. It is the Name and Number of The Beast. The Bible doesnt say that the Mark tracks buying and selling, it says you cant buy or sell without it. What ever it is it makes a person completely subservient to Satan.

A smart phone carries so much information about the owner on the phone.

The government knows everyone in society better than we know ourselves.

It is useless to follow conspiracy theories regarding government control, it's years too late.

Throw your smart phone in the bin and your laptop too, but they monitor you through
thousands of cctv cameras.

The mark if it is an implanted chip won't be much of an improvement over the smart phone.

 

[NightTwister]

I think the first beast is the antichrist, a man, as you have said, and that he will arise from out of the EU. The EU will have it's upcoming elections this coming 2029 and he might be from among them.

Dates! I love dates!!

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The first beast sits in the temple of God.

Where does it say this? It doesn't anywhere that I am aware of.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Dates! I love dates!!

It's not date setting but watching for the season. Jesus wants us to watch.

Luke21:32 “Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

34 “Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness and the anxieties of life, and that day will close on you suddenly like a trap. 35 For it will come on all those who live on the face of the whole earth. 36 Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.”

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

A smart phone carries so much information about the owner on the phone.

The government knows everyone in society better than we know ourselves.

It is useless to follow conspiracy theories regarding government control, it's years too late.

Throw your smart phone in the bin and your laptop too, but they monitor you through
thousands of cctv cameras.

The mark if it is an implanted chip won't be much of an improvement over the smart phone.

I think the mark would be worse because you can't just leave it at home like you could your smart phone if you didn't want to be tracked. It's in you 24/7 which means you can be tracked 24/7.

I also don't know how much of one's personal data will be associated with the mark. I'm hearing that hospitals want their patients' medical records connected to it so that it would be easy to look up.

I heard the globalists want to try to force all people to move into cities because it's easier to track them that way. It's harder to track them out in the open country.

I'm just glad I'm not taking the mark. I'm fine with being martyred.

 

[NightTwister]

It's not date setting but watching for the season. Jesus wants us to watch.

Luke21:32 “Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

34 “Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness and the anxieties of life, and that day will close on you suddenly like a trap. 35 For it will come on all those who live on the face of the whole earth. 36 Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.”

I'm a panmillennialist. I figure it'll all pan out in the end.

 

[Inquisitor]

I think the mark would be worse because you can't just leave it at home like you could your smart phone if you didn't want to be tracked. It's in you 24/7 which means you can be tracked 24/7.

I also don't know how much of one's personal data will be associated with the mark. I'm hearing that hospitals want their patients' medical records connected to it so that it would be easy to look up.

I heard the globalists want to try to force all people to move into cities because it's easier to track them that way. It's harder to track them out in the open country.

I'm just glad I'm not taking the mark. I'm fine with being martyred.

In my country we already have a government phone app that contains your medical history.

They can see you with satellites if you leave your phone at home and that's in the country area also.

I don't know that globalists want people to move to a city?

 

[Inquisitor]

Where does it say this? It doesn't anywhere that I am aware of.

The false prophet directs all worship towards the sea beast.

The man of lawlessness takes his seat in the temple and proclaims himself to be God.

There is a direct correlation between the man of lawlessness and the sea beast.

 

[Jackson129]

I understood it as this. You have the holy trinity and the trinity Satan is setting up

You have God the father Jesus the son and John the Baptist as the prophet that brings people to worship Jesus or the holy ghost.

You have Satan as the father the ac as the son and the false prophet as the unholy ghost.

Something to that effect anyways

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

You have God the father Jesus the son and John the Baptist as the prophet that brings people to worship Jesus or the holy ghost.

Jesus is the prophet who directs people to worship the father.

 

[Suze]

So , the sixth letter of the Hebrew alphabet is : V / W ,these two seem to b interchangeable . So , it could b VVV or WWW , world wide web , which could b a symbol which represents technology . What does technology and it's proponents often enjoy doing ? Usurping / explaining / dismissing / emulating etc the power of God , the knowledge that only God truly posseses . What was the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil all about ? Ye shall be as gods , knowing good and evil . The tree represented knowledge , knowledge is power , that's what we humans ( atheists ) strive for , to prove the non existence of a god any and all and to glory in themselves and their achievements . Ye shall be as gods says the serpent , what better example is there of blasphemy than denouncing the existence of God and proving how powerful and wonderful we humans r ? We can create life and we can destroy it , we can clone it ! We can do anything that God supposedly did / does . No greater blasphemy than that . Technology and it's worshippers .