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shittim said:
God keeps His promises, it is still the land of His chosen people
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It wasnt the Land Abraham and the other Heirs looked for, the land they looked for made them realize they were pilgrims and strangers to this earth Heb 11

13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Jew and Arab are ethnicities. Palestinian is not and indicates a resident of a region, which is what a country is.
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You all can lie all day every day here. All one has to do is look into history. Palestine has never been a country. Period.

ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
This argument of yours is just a way to dehumanize the long-time occupants of that country in order to justify the covetous people who are openly stealing their land.
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No this is what Charlie Kirk was dealing with. People who lie and then call them facts. Your feelings don't matter. The following are facts!


1. Before Israel, there was a British mandate, not a Palestinian state

2. Before the British Mandate, there was the Ottoman Empire, not a Palestinian state.

3. Before the Ottoman Empire, there was the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, not a Palestinian state.

4. Before the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, there was the Ayubid Arab-Kurdish Empire, not a Palestinian state.

5. Before the Ayubid Empire, there was the Frankish and Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, not a Palestinian state.

6. Before the , there was the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, not a Palestinian state.

7. Before the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, there was the Byzantine empire, not a Palestinian state.

8. Before the Byzantine Empire, there were the Sassanids, not a Palestinian state.

9. Before the Sassanid Empire, there was the Byzantine Empire, not a Palestinian state.

10. Before the Byzantine Empire, there was the Roman Empire, not a Palestinian state.

11. Before the Roman Empire, there was the Hasmonean state, not a Palestinian state.

12. Before the Hasmonean state, there was the Seleucid, not a Palestinian state.

13. Before the Seleucid empire, there was the empire of Alexander the Great, not a Palestinian state.

14. Before the empire of Alexander the Great, there was the Persian empire, not a Palestinian state.

15. Before the Persian Empire, there was the Babylonian Empire, not a Palestinian state.

16. Before the Babylonian Empire, there were the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, not a Palestinian state.

17. Before the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, there was the Kingdom of Israel, not a Palestinian state.

18. Before the kingdom of Israel, there was the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, not a Palestinian state.

19. Before the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, there was an agglomeration of independent Canaanite city-kingdoms, not a Palestinian state.

20. Actually, in this piece of land there has been everything EXCEPT A PALESTINIAN STATE.
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Jew and Arab are ethnicities. Palestinian is not and indicates a resident of a region, which is what a country is. This argument of yours is just a way to dehumanize the long-time occupants of that country in order to justify the covetous people who are openly stealing their land.
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In the end approx. 300 000 people can be genocided because they were not a state, that is the argument.
 
Gideon300 said:
The earth is the Lord's and everything in it. That does not mean He can't give it to whom He pleases. It pleased Him to give the land to Abraham and his descendants. Does God throw you out of His salvation every time you sin? Are you saved one minute and condemned to hell the next? God's covenant with Abraham was unconditional. God keeps His promises. And that is proven by the existence of the modern state of Israel. Get over it.
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That's true. And he has given it to whom he pleased - Abraham's seed

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. Matthew 21:43​
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But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: 1 Peter 2:9​
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And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Galatians 3:29​
 
Needevidence said:
What promise? - I hope you’re not going down the forever / everlasting – ‘Olam’ - doesn’t mean that
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35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:

36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.

Sounds like a pretty long time to me. lol
 
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ThereRoseaLamb said:
No, that's completely false. God made a covenant with Himself. There was a reason Abraham was put to sleep. God promised them the land, and they are living in it now.
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That covenant was with Abraham and God promised the land to Christ, not to Abraham's other descendants, as Paul makes clear in Galatians 3:16. You have been told this many times, but you ignore it and keep repeating your lie.

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, who is Christ. Galatians 3:16​
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
That covenant was with Abraham and God promised the land to Christ, not to Abraham's other descendants, as Paul makes clear in Galatians 3:16. You have been told this many times, but you ignore it and keep repeating your lie.

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, who is Christ. Galatians 3:16​
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God repeated the promise to each generation !!! Again and again and again! You'd have to be blind not to see it!
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Right. An actual place that spiritual Israel will live in forever at the resurrection
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That's utterly stupid. My word you all would tear the Bible apart and glue it together sideways to make it fit your narrative. Why would God name the borders? It's a REAL land with REAL borders. You can scream and rage and mock all you want. You're flat out wrong.
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
That covenant was with Abraham and God promised the land to Christ, not to Abraham's other descendants, as Paul makes clear in Galatians 3:16. You have been told this many times, but you ignore it and keep repeating your lie.

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, who is Christ. Galatians 3:16​
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Imagine a narrative which seeks to deny Christ Jesus His inheritance, I rather not.
Yikes!!!
 
ThereRoseaLamb said:
That's utterly stupid. My word you all would tear the Bible apart and glue it together sideways to make it fit your narrative. Why would God name the borders? It's a REAL land with REAL borders. You can scream and rage and mock all you want. You're flat out wrong.
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And spiritual Israel are real people who will live in that real land with real borders.
 
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