No I have not seen the dead raised or the lame walk but I go by faith not by sight I don't need evidence to believe in what God can do
And as for the verse well Jesus has not come back yet has he?
Are all the spiritual gifts still active today?
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And as for the verse well Jesus has not come back yet has he?
Wow. For someone who calls herself "TruthDefender", you did a terrible job of defending the truth here.Miraculous gifts have ended. I’ve never heard of anyone healing the blind, or making the lame walk. Have you? Or perhaps healing someone with cancer or leprosy with one touch. Have you? Or raising the dead. Have you?
These were things the apostles did. These kinds of miracles are called miraculous.
"But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away."
I Corinthians 13:10 NKJV
This is Scriptural. We all have gifts of some sort, but nobody can do miraculous gifts anymore. Hope this helps.
How about we start with the whole verse, not just the bit that supposedly supports your assertion, along with the relevant context:
"Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away."
When "that which is perfect" (which is not specifically identified in the chapter) comes, then these three gifts (prophecy, tongues, and words of knowledge) will cease. You have not even made an attempt (in this post) to identify the mysterious "that which is perfect", but imply it is already here.
Nothing is said in Scripture about "miraculous gifts" ending, so your claim is not scriptural, but rather a biased corruption of Scripture.
I would encourage you to learn to treat the word of God with greater care.
I was brought up that way. God had other plans for me. We really do receive as we pursue Him.
What makes you suppose you need to correct what others say/believe? Now if a person comes on board with a left field ship of fools, I will speak up myself but that is not the case here.
As it is, you make a grave error when you state that the 'perfect' is the completed canon of scripture. You have been corrected by several people here including myself but on you go. Until you see that error you have made, I think you should just sit this one out. I can't make you of course, but someone who wishes to correct others while making such an error themself is in no position to speak out about what they presume to be a finished chapter in faith and spirituality
I don't suppose you understand that you are actually trying to correct the Bible. Unless you are omnipotent you cannot with authority state that miracles no longer occur. So, are you omnipotent or just the product of unbelievers teaching others to be unbelievers?
Well according to Scripture, there is a reason why we haven’t seen those things…..
Shalom
when does your inability to hear of see mean that you can be all places around the world. You're not knowing means you are all knowing? I have seen the blind healed and the dead raised. If a person has a massive heart attack and dies and CPR is done and that person comes back to did, they do that or GOD?Miraculous gifts have ended. I’ve never heard of anyone healing the blind, or making the lame walk. Have you? Or perhaps healing someone with cancer or leprosy with one touch. Have you? Or raising the dead. Have you?
These were things the apostles did. These kinds of miracles are called miraculous.
"But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away."
I Corinthians 13:10 NKJV
This is Scriptural. We all have gifts of some sort, but nobody can do miraculous gifts anymore. Hope this helps.
do doctors bring back the dead or is it GOD? does prayer who the same way as CPR or GOD hear CPR over the prayers of the righteous?
God doesn't need your validation of what HE said will happen if we pray according to His will. It is being willing to accept HIS answer which is yes and no an not yet. The arrogance of some who says " I’ve never heard of anyone healing the blind, or making the lame walk. Have you?"
Yes, I have. Do you want proof I imagine?
Please send me 19.95
to " I need a sign to believe."
PO box oh ye of little faith.
Atten: to CS1 "these signs follow them that believe"
Oakland CA 95437
Regardless of what is the "perfect", it most certainly has come. When did it come I do not know but came it has.
Your argument from silence about the lack of scripture supplying the date of when the miraculous gifts would end is rather weak.
Does God still perform miracles during this age of faith without sight? Perhaps.
But just as we can prove that the Earth is round so too can we prove if the New Testament Age of the miraculous is still happening.
And no appealing to scripture by the flat earthers can change this.
BTW, using anecdotal evidence to support your side on an issue that can be easily proven by simple research and prima facie is puerile.
Anyone claiming that we living in a continuation of the New Testament age of the miraculous in clearly a member of that ship of fools.
The Bible does not state what the "perfect" is or when it will come to past, for you to be so pompous as to assert that it cannot be the perfect and complete Word of God is quite hypocritical. The "perfect" that Paul speaks of but does not define may very well be the completed canon of scripture, after all the Bible was not yet complete during Paul's lifetime.
Your words reek of arrogance and pride.
You are pursuing someone to soothe your itching ears. God will not bend to your desire to witness the supernatural.
perhaps? Oh so you like others judge God against his Divine Attributes.
Jehovah Rapha, the Lord who heals Ex 15:26
Who pardons all your iniquities,
Who heals all your diseases; Psalm 103:3
This verse by our Lord says it all about healing:
Matthew 13:15
For the heart of this people has become dull,
With their ears they scarcely hear,
And they have closed their eyes,
Otherwise they would see with their eyes,
Hear with their ears,
And understand with their heart and return,
And I would heal them.’
I do and thank you for not providing biblical refute. perhaps you should read your bible
proofread post for Lamar:
when does your inability to hear or see mean that you can be all places around the world. You're not knowing means you are all knowing? I have seen the blind healed and the dead raised. If a person has a massive heart attack and dies and CPR is done and that person comes back to did, they do that or GOD?
Do doctors bring back the dead or is it GOD? does prayer's done work the same way as CPR or GOD Does hear CPR over the prayers of the righteous?
God doesn't need your validation of what HE said will happen if we pray according to His will. It is being willing to accept HIS answer which is yes and no an not yet. The arrogance of some who says " I’ve never heard of anyone healing the blind, or making the lame walk. Have you?"
Yes, I have. Do you want proof I imagine?
Please send me 19.95
to " I need a sign to believe."
PO box oh ye of little faith.
Atten: to CS1 "these signs follow them that believe"
Oakland CA 95437
when does your inability to hear or see mean that you can be all places around the world. You're not knowing means you are all knowing? I have seen the blind healed and the dead raised. If a person has a massive heart attack and dies and CPR is done and that person comes back to did, they do that or GOD?
Do doctors bring back the dead or is it GOD? does prayer's done work the same way as CPR or GOD Does hear CPR over the prayers of the righteous?
God doesn't need your validation of what HE said will happen if we pray according to His will. It is being willing to accept HIS answer which is yes and no an not yet. The arrogance of some who says " I’ve never heard of anyone healing the blind, or making the lame walk. Have you?"
Yes, I have. Do you want proof I imagine?
Please send me 19.95
to " I need a sign to believe."
PO box oh ye of little faith.
Atten: to CS1 "these signs follow them that believe"
Oakland CA 95437
lol just because we can prove the earth is Round? Really did not God say it was in his word?
Isaiah 40:22: "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers."
This statement is very childish. No one needs to be at all places at all times around the world to understand simple reality.
CPR does not bring the dead back to life only God can do this. CPR can only produce the resuscitation of our vital signs, not life.
Your words sounds like an attempt at a red herring.
And God does not need your insistence that the miraculous age of the New Testament has not ceased. If God wants us to live in an age of faith without sight no amount of praying is going to change that. God is sovereign not you.
I am, but your comments appear to have little connection with my post.
You provided no rationale whatsoever for your claim that "the perfect" has come.
Regarding the ending of miraculous gifts, there is no Scripture on the subject. That's not an argument from silence because I'm not making a claim regarding their alleged end. What I did state is that the "end" of gifts described in 1 Corinthians 13 does not include miraculous gifts, but only three of the speech gifts.
I made no reference to flat earthers or Scripture they use.
LOL childish OK look in the mirror. Red Herring? Noted you did not answer my question. Faith produces action and work that glorify God.
it was not I who suggested God perhaps Heal's you did. It was not I who asked in a smug arrogant way has anyone seen the blind healed you did.