The Holy Spirit/God's Word

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The main purpose of this thread is to discuss Scriptures explaining how humanity can experience and fellowship with the Holy Spirit of God/Christ,
which correlates with learning God’s Holy Word. Achieving this goal requires systematic study of New Testament doctrines including spiritual dynamics, prayer and sanctification.
 
Believe, God Father in risen Son for you, the law is fulfilled, not taken away as of yet (unbelievers are under Law), yet is taken out of the way in those that are born again by God through risen Son are made new and born new again from Father working this out through them. Those that are willing, not scrupling through scripture to prove anything, these seem to me, to be like, as I did that in past, strained out gnats and swallowed a camel, became a legalist and a better than other people selfish person acting as if I got it and others do not yet as I do, Luke 18:9-14. woe is me now. I see Matthew 18:24-35 and do not want to get taken back to court, anyone else. So forgiven as are forgiven first. Thank you, to all not a few thank you.
Time to believe God, receive truth from God over man trying to do God's Job and see what Son has done for us all, to love all in the same mercy and truth given us in the risen Son, thank you Father
You require Mercy over sacrifice
the final sacrifice by Son is done, thank you, time to trust you to teach us personally each, to have our own boards in our own eyes removed first, before anyone can truly love the same as you do love us all, and have since day one of the first Adam that fell. Today we have you the second Adam, Jesus the Son that did not fail, and won. thank you by you, I am in and thank you seeing no other way, thank you, thank you, thank you
 
homwardbound said:
Believe, God Father in risen Son for you, the law is fulfilled, not taken away as of yet (unbelievers are under Law), yet is taken out of the way in those that are born again by God through risen Son are made new and born new again from Father working this out through them. Those that are willing, not scrupling through scripture to prove anything, these seem to me, to be like, as I did that in past, strained out gnats and swallowed a camel, became a legalist and a better than other people selfish person acting as if I got it and others do not yet as I do, Luke 18:9-14. woe is me now. I see Matthew 18:24-35 and do not want to get taken back to court, anyone else. So forgiven as are forgiven first. Thank you, to all not a few thank you.
Time to believe God, receive truth from God over man trying to do God's Job and see what Son has done for us all, to love all in the same mercy and truth given us in the risen Son, thank you Father
You require Mercy over sacrifice
the final sacrifice by Son is done, thank you, time to trust you to teach us personally each, to have our own boards in our own eyes removed first, before anyone can truly love the same as you do love us all, and have since day one of the first Adam that fell. Today we have you the second Adam, Jesus the Son that did not fail, and won. thank you by you, I am in and thank you seeing no other way, thank you, thank you, thank you
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Yes, the Holy Spirit is not divorced from God the Father and Son,
but God as Father is usually viewed as the Creator over us and God in the human dimension is called incarnate or with us,
whereas God as the Holy Spirit is within us--and so three ways God relates to humanity correlate with the Trinity.
 
Thanks for the input, shittim and HB. Here is how I begin the study of the Holy Spirit on our website:

The OT Shema (Deut. 6:4) teaches that God is one, and the NT also affirms that there is one God (Eph. 4:6, 1Tim. 2:5). However, the NT teaches that the one God relates to believers in three ways simultaneously: as the Father, as the Son and as the Holy Spirit (HS). God as the heavenly Father is indicated in Jesus’ model prayer (Matt. 6:9), throughout the Gospel of John (John 3:35, 5:17-18, etc.), and in the epistles of Paul (Rom. 4:11, 8:15, Phil. 2:11).

God the Father and Christ’s Sonship are discussed in Heb. 1:1-4. The Son of God also is mentioned by John (John 1:14, 3:16, etc.) and by Paul (Rom. 1:4, Gal. 2:20, 1Thes. 1:10).

The Holy Spirit is mentioned in three successive chapters in John (John 14:26, 15:26, 16:13), frequently in the book of Acts (Acts 1:5, 2:4, 9:17, 13:2, 19:2), and in many of Paul’s letters (Rom. 8:4-26, 1Cor. 6:19, Eph. 4:30) as well as in some of the other epistles (2Pet. 1:21, Jude 20).

The triune God’s “persons” may be distinguished by role: God the Father as creator or initiator (Gen. 1:1), God the Son as Messiah or mediator (1Tim. 2:5), and God the Spirit as indweller (Rom. 5:5). For example, 1 John 4:7 says love comes from (is initiated by) God (the Father), Gal. 5:22 says that love is a fruit of the (indwelling) Spirit, and Eph. 3:18 speaks of the (mediating) love of Christ (Rom. 5:8, Eph. 2:18).

We can denote these distinctions by the use of three prepositions: God the Father is over all creation (Eph. 4:6), God the Son is Immanuel or with humanity (Matt. 1:23), and the Holy Spirit is within all believers (Eph. 1:13). A single passage that comes closest to indicating this distinction is Eph. 3:14-19, in which Paul prays to the Father that through His Spirit of love Christ would dwell in believers’ hearts (also see 1Cor. 8:6).

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GWH said:
Yes, the Holy Spirit is not divorced from God the Father and Son,
but God as Father is usually viewed as the Creator over us and God in the human dimension is called incarnate or with us,
whereas God as the Holy Spirit is within us--and so three ways God relates to humanity correlate with the Trinity.
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Cool, the best analogies for the trinity I see are
Water is Steam and ice. the three forms are all one
An Egg, has a shell, a yoke and a white
The Shell is Jesus as risen now, where new life is at in Spirit and Truth
The Yoke is Father in Spirit and Truth
The white is the Holy Spirit guiding us into all truth

The three are Won, One for us to be one with them
Seeing when Daddy said in Genesis, man has become like one of us
Thanks, as we each grow new in truth from Father given us in Spirit and Truth to me, each personally, not just the Bible, God still speaks to God's children personally. Problems come from people not listening and given Creedence to others over God telling us truth as in 1 John2:27. I do not need to go to anyone else to get truth or do I? Do you?
thank you Father, Daddy, PaPa in risen Son for us to be new and love all, not just those we had chosen to in our first born flesh and blood. I'm not God, thank you for revealing this truth to me, I see the love all in the same mercy and truth given me by you through Son as risen as proof
John 13:34
 
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GWH said:
Thanks for the input, shittim and HB. Here is how I begin the study of the Holy Spirit on our website:

The OT Shema (Deut. 6:4) teaches that God is one, and the NT also affirms that there is one God (Eph. 4:6, 1Tim. 2:5). However, the NT teaches that the one God relates to believers in three ways simultaneously: as the Father, as the Son and as the Holy Spirit (HS). God as the heavenly Father is indicated in Jesus’ model prayer (Matt. 6:9), throughout the Gospel of John (John 3:35, 5:17-18, etc.), and in the epistles of Paul (Rom. 4:11, 8:15, Phil. 2:11).

God the Father and Christ’s Sonship are discussed in Heb. 1:1-4. The Son of God also is mentioned by John (John 1:14, 3:16, etc.) and by Paul (Rom. 1:4, Gal. 2:20, 1Thes. 1:10).

The Holy Spirit is mentioned in three successive chapters in John (John 14:26, 15:26, 16:13), frequently in the book of Acts (Acts 1:5, 2:4, 9:17, 13:2, 19:2), and in many of Paul’s letters (Rom. 8:4-26, 1Cor. 6:19, Eph. 4:30) as well as in some of the other epistles (2Pet. 1:21, Jude 20).

The triune God’s “persons” may be distinguished by role: God the Father as creator or initiator (Gen. 1:1), God the Son as Messiah or mediator (1Tim. 2:5), and God the Spirit as indweller (Rom. 5:5). For example, 1 John 4:7 says love comes from (is initiated by) God (the Father), Gal. 5:22 says that love is a fruit of the (indwelling) Spirit, and Eph. 3:18 speaks of the (mediating) love of Christ (Rom. 5:8, Eph. 2:18).

We can denote these distinctions by the use of three prepositions: God the Father is over all creation (Eph. 4:6), God the Son is Immanuel or with humanity (Matt. 1:23), and the Holy Spirit is within all believers (Eph. 1:13). A single passage that comes closest to indicating this distinction is Eph. 3:14-19, in which Paul prays to the Father that through His Spirit of love Christ would dwell in believers’ hearts (also see 1Cor. 8:6).

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God through Son, the two as One has Won
John 16:33
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
John 15:11
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and thatyour joy might be full.
John 16:1
These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.

Thank you for your sharing truth of Father, Son and Holy Spirit of God
it's finished being under Law and now upholding Law as good for us to be won with Father and Son, being given the comforter the Holy Spirit of God Father
Wow as in Isaiah 6:1-7 Woe is me, thank you Daddy
 
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GWH said:
True regarding "merely", we invite Him in because we read to do that in Rev. 3:20, and so we do.
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We can "read" about all our lives and not experience Him.


Jesus was clear most would have an outward form denying the power.
Just as we can go to church once a week and never know Him, and there are those who will do miracles in His name yet He knew them not.
best wishes:)(y):unsure::coffee:
 
homwardbound said:
Cool, the best analogies for the trinity I see are
Water is Steam and ice. the three forms are all one
An Egg, has a shell, a yoke and a white
The Shell is Jesus as risen now, where new life is at in Spirit and Truth
The Yoke is Father in Spirit and Truth
The white is the Holy Spirit guiding us into all truth

The three are Won, One for us to be one with them
Seeing when Daddy said in Genesis, man has become like one of us
Thanks, as we each grow new in truth from Father given us in Spirit and Truth to me, each personally, not just the Bible, God still speaks to God's children personally. Problems come from people not listening and given Creedence to others over God telling us truth as in 1 John2:27. I do not need to go to anyone else to get truth or do I? Do you?
thank you Father, Daddy, PaPa in risen Son for us to be new and love all, not just those we had chosen to in our first born flesh and blood. I'm not God, thank you for revealing this truth to me, I see the love all in the same mercy and truth given me by you through Son as risen as proof
John 13:34
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Those other ways may be helpful too,
just not mentioned in Scripture.
 
shittim said:
We can "read" about all our lives and not experience Him.


Jesus was clear most would have an outward form denying the power.
Just as we can go to church once a week and never know Him, and there are those who will do miracles in His name yet He knew them not.
best wishes:)(y):unsure::coffee:
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Yes, but if we do not read about Him,
our experience will be limited by having only general revelation,
so a study of the HS might well begin with the statements of Jesus in the gospel of John.

In John 14:16-18 we read, “I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever—the Spirit of truth… [who] will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.” This indicates that the indwelling Spirit is how Jesus enters the hearts of believers as they open the door and invite him in (per Rev. 3:20).

Jesus mentioned the Spirit again in John 15:26, saying “When the Counselor comes, whom I will send you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me.”

And yet again in John 16:13-14 Jesus said, “When he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you.”

We see in these passages an identification of the Spirit with truth or the word of God, which we also find in the OT, such as Isa. 59:21b, “My Spirit, who is on you, and my words that I have put in your mouth will not depart from your mouth, or from the mouths of your children… forever, says the Lord.”

And also in Ezek. 36:26-27, “I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you… I will put my Spirit in you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.”
 
Not true, Holy Spirit guides in ALL truth.
Our Father promises to show us things we do not know, if we "stay in Him".
That is relationship, not reading about relationship.
Jesus only did and said what He saw the Father do and say, He modeled how the Father wants us to live.
best wishes
 
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shittim said:
Not true, Holy Spirit guides in ALL truth.
Our Father promises to show us things we do not know, if we "stay in Him".
That is relationship, not reading about relationship.
Jesus only did and said what He saw the Father do and say, He modeled how the Father wants us to live.
best wishes
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The HS guides us to know truth, but we are free to say "not true".
As Jesus and his HS taught in the Scriptures that have been cited,
the Father shows/reveals via His Word/Spirit, so do not divorce them,
because relationship requires revelation.

When this truth is learned/experienced, one is ready/able to learn more of GW regarding the HS.
 
GWH said:
True regarding "merely", we invite Him in because we read to do that in Rev. 3:20, and so we do.
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Everyone else believes that those are the words of Jesus.

20 Behold, I stand at the door and zknock. aIf anyone hears my voice and opens the door, bI will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me.

Revelation is the revelation of Jesus.
 
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The Holy Spirit is the vital and active third person of the Trinity. I did not compile the following list, but each notation is based on the scripture accompanying it.

  1. He leads and directs. (Matthew 4:1; Mark 1:12; Luke 2:27; 4:1; Acts 8:29; Romans 8:14)
  2. The Holy Spirit speaks – in, to and through. (Matthew 10:20; Acts 1:16; 2:4; 13:2; 28:25; Hebrews 3:7)
  3. He gives power to cast out devils. (Matthew 12:28)
  4. He releases power. (Luke 4:14)
  5. The Holy Spirit anoints. (Luke 4:18; Acts 10:38)
  6. The Holy Spirit “comes upon” or “falls on”. (Matthew 3:16; Mark 1:10; Luke 2:25; 3:22; 4:18; John 1:32,33; Acts 10:44; 11:15)
  7. He baptizes and fills. (Matthew 3:11; Mark 1:8; Luke 1:15,41,67; 3:16, 4:1; John 1:33; Acts 1:4-5; 2:4; 4:8,31; 6:3,5; 7:55; 10:47; 11:24; 13:9,52; 1 Corinthians 12:12)
  8. He gives new birth. (John 3:5,8)
  9. He leads into worship. (John 4:23)
  10. He flows like a river from the spirit man. (John 7:38-39)
  11. He ministers truth. (John 14:17; 15:26; 16:13)
  12. He dwells in people. (John 14:17; Romans 8:9,11; 1 Corinthians 3:16)
  13. The Holy Spirit gives comfort, health, and strength. (John 15:26; Acts 9:31)
  14. He proceeds from the Father. (John 15:26)
  15. He shows us things to come. (John 16:13)
  16. He gives the gift of tongues. (Acts 2:4)
  17. He releases prophecy, dreams and visions. (Acts 2:17,18; 11:28)
  18. He can transport people physically. (Acts 8:39)
  19. The Holy Spirit brings direction and guidance. (Mark 13:36; 13:11; Acts 10:19; 11:12; 21:11; 1 Timothy 4:1
  20. He is Holiness. (Romans 1:4)
  21. He is the Spirit of life and gives life. (Romans 8:1,10)
  22. The Holy Spirit invites us to walk with Him. (Romans 8:4-5)
  23. He groans, prays and intercedes. (Romans 8:26-27)
  24. He is a Sword. (Ephesians 6:17)
  25. The Holy Spirit produces fruit in our lives. (Galatians 5:22-23; Ephesians 5:9)
  26. He helps us in our weakness. (Romans 8:26)
  27. He bears witness. (Acts 5:32 15:28; 20:23; Romans 8:15-16; Hebrews 10:15; 1 John 4:13; 5:6-8)
  28. He is the Spirit of Adoption. (Romans 8:15)
  29. He gives power to mortify the deeds of the flesh. (Romans 8:13)
  30. He provides power for signs, wonders and preaching. (Acts 1:8; 1 Corinthians 2:4)
  31. He ministers love. (Romans 15:30)
  32. He searches the deep things of God. (1 Corinthians 2:10)
  33. He quickens the mortal body. (Romans 8:13)
  34. He brings revelation. (Luke 2:25; 1 COrinthians 2:10,12; Ephesians 1:17-19; 3:5)
  35. The Holy Spirit reveals to us what has been given by God. (1 Corinthians 2:12)
  36. He washes, sanctifies, purifies and justifies. (Romans 15;16, 1 Corinthians 6:11; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; 1 Timothy 3:16; 1 Peter 1:2,22)
  37. He gives gifts. (1 Corinthians 12:4-11; Hebrews 2:4)
  38. He seals us. (2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 4:30)
  39. He is liberty. (2 Corinthians 3:17)
  40. He changes us into the image of Christ. (2 Corinthians 3:17)
  41. He is the promise of the blessing of Abraham. (Galatians 3:14)
  42. He releases a cry to the Father. (Galatians 4:6)
  43. He gives access to the Father. (Ephesians 2:18)
  44. The Holy Spirit builds us together for a house for God. (Ephesians 2:22)
  45. He strengthens us with might. (Ephesians 3:16)
  46. He is unity. (Ephesians 4:3-4)
  47. He is wine. (Ephesians 5:18)
  48. He supplies. (Philippians 1:19)
  49. He is fellowship. (2 Corinthians 13;14; Philippians 2:1)
  50. He is grace. (Hebrews 10:29)
  51. He is glory. (1 Peter 4:14)
  52. The Holy Spirit speaks to the churches. (Revelation 2:11,17,29; 3:6,13,22)
  53. He calls for the Bridegroom. (Revelation 22:17)
  54. The Holy Spirit has the power of conception and anointing for God’s purposes. (Matthew 1:18,20; Luke 1:35)
  55. He teaches. (Luke 12:12; John 14:26; 1 Corinthians 2:13; 1 John 2:27)
  56. He gives commandments. (Acts 1:2)
  57. He provides power to be a witness. (Acts 1:8)
  58. He provides boldness. (Acts 4:31)
  59. He give sight. (Acts 9:17)
  60. He commissions. (Acts 13:4)
  61. He restrains. (Acts 16:6)
  62. He appoints ministries and gives them authority. (Acts 20:28)
  63. He releases love. (Romans 5:5)
  64. He is righteousness, peace and joy. (Romans 14:17; 15:13; 1 Thessalonians 1:6)
  65. He confesses Christ’s Lordship. (1 Corinthians 12:3)
  66. The Holy Spirit brings the gospel. (1 Thessalonians 1:5-6)
  67. He is keeping power. (2 Timothy 1:14)
  68. He brings renewal. (Titus 3:5)
  69. He moves on believers. (2 Peter 1:21)
  70. He convicts the world. (John 16:8)
 
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pinebeach said:
The Holy Spirit is the vital and active third person of the Trinity. I did not compile the following list, but each notation is based on the scripture accompanying it.

  1. He leads and directs. (Matthew 4:1; Mark 1:12; Luke 2:27; 4:1; Acts 8:29; Romans 8:14)
  2. The Holy Spirit speaks – in, to and through. (Matthew 10:20; Acts 1:16; 2:4; 13:2; 28:25; Hebrews 3:7)
  3. He gives power to cast out devils. (Matthew 12:28)
  4. He releases power. (Luke 4:14)
  5. The Holy Spirit anoints. (Luke 4:18; Acts 10:38)
  6. The Holy Spirit “comes upon” or “falls on”. (Matthew 3:16; Mark 1:10; Luke 2:25; 3:22; 4:18; John 1:32,33; Acts 10:44; 11:15)
  7. He baptizes and fills. (Matthew 3:11; Mark 1:8; Luke 1:15,41,67; 3:16, 4:1; John 1:33; Acts 1:4-5; 2:4; 4:8,31; 6:3,5; 7:55; 10:47; 11:24; 13:9,52; 1 Corinthians 12:12)
  8. He gives new birth. (John 3:5,8)
  9. He leads into worship. (John 4:23)
  10. He flows like a river from the spirit man. (John 7:38-39)
  11. He ministers truth. (John 14:17; 15:26; 16:13)
  12. He dwells in people. (John 14:17; Romans 8:9,11; 1 Corinthians 3:16)
  13. The Holy Spirit gives comfort, health, and strength. (John 15:26; Acts 9:31)
  14. He proceeds from the Father. (John 15:26)
  15. He shows us things to come. (John 16:13)
  16. He gives the gift of tongues. (Acts 2:4)
  17. He releases prophecy, dreams and visions. (Acts 2:17,18; 11:28)
  18. He can transport people physically. (Acts 8:39)
  19. The Holy Spirit brings direction and guidance. (Mark 13:36; 13:11; Acts 10:19; 11:12; 21:11; 1 Timothy 4:1
  20. He is Holiness. (Romans 1:4)
  21. He is the Spirit of life and gives life. (Romans 8:1,10)
  22. The Holy Spirit invites us to walk with Him. (Romans 8:4-5)
  23. He groans, prays and intercedes. (Romans 8:26-27)
  24. He is a Sword. (Ephesians 6:17)
  25. The Holy Spirit produces fruit in our lives. (Galatians 5:22-23; Ephesians 5:9)
  26. He helps us in our weakness. (Romans 8:26)
  27. He bears witness. (Acts 5:32 15:28; 20:23; Romans 8:15-16; Hebrews 10:15; 1 John 4:13; 5:6-8)
  28. He is the Spirit of Adoption. (Romans 8:15)
  29. He gives power to mortify the deeds of the flesh. (Romans 8:13)
  30. He provides power for signs, wonders and preaching. (Acts 1:8; 1 Corinthians 2:4)
  31. He ministers love. (Romans 15:30)
  32. He searches the deep things of God. (1 Corinthians 2:10)
  33. He quickens the mortal body. (Romans 8:13)
  34. He brings revelation. (Luke 2:25; 1 COrinthians 2:10,12; Ephesians 1:17-19; 3:5)
  35. The Holy Spirit reveals to us what has been given by God. (1 Corinthians 2:12)
  36. He washes, sanctifies, purifies and justifies. (Romans 15;16, 1 Corinthians 6:11; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; 1 Timothy 3:16; 1 Peter 1:2,22)
  37. He gives gifts. (1 Corinthians 12:4-11; Hebrews 2:4)
  38. He seals us. (2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 4:30)
  39. He is liberty. (2 Corinthians 3:17)
  40. He changes us into the image of Christ. (2 Corinthians 3:17)
  41. He is the promise of the blessing of Abraham. (Galatians 3:14)
  42. He releases a cry to the Father. (Galatians 4:6)
  43. He gives access to the Father. (Ephesians 2:18)
  44. The Holy Spirit builds us together for a house for God. (Ephesians 2:22)
  45. He strengthens us with might. (Ephesians 3:16)
  46. He is unity. (Ephesians 4:3-4)
  47. He is wine. (Ephesians 5:18)
  48. He supplies. (Philippians 1:19)
  49. He is fellowship. (2 Corinthians 13;14; Philippians 2:1)
  50. He is grace. (Hebrews 10:29)
  51. He is glory. (1 Peter 4:14)
  52. The Holy Spirit speaks to the churches. (Revelation 2:11,17,29; 3:6,13,22)
  53. He calls for the Bridegroom. (Revelation 22:17)
  54. The Holy Spirit has the power of conception and anointing for God’s purposes. (Matthew 1:18,20; Luke 1:35)
  55. He teaches. (Luke 12:12; John 14:26; 1 Corinthians 2:13; 1 John 2:27)
  56. He gives commandments. (Acts 1:2)
  57. He provides power to be a witness. (Acts 1:8)
  58. He provides boldness. (Acts 4:31)
  59. He give sight. (Acts 9:17)
  60. He commissions. (Acts 13:4)
  61. He restrains. (Acts 16:6)
  62. He appoints ministries and gives them authority. (Acts 20:28)
  63. He releases love. (Romans 5:5)
  64. He is righteousness, peace and joy. (Romans 14:17; 15:13; 1 Thessalonians 1:6)
  65. He confesses Christ’s Lordship. (1 Corinthians 12:3)
  66. The Holy Spirit brings the gospel. (1 Thessalonians 1:5-6)
  67. He is keeping power. (2 Timothy 1:14)
  68. He brings renewal. (Titus 3:5)
  69. He moves on believers. (2 Peter 1:21)
  70. He convicts the world. (John 16:8)
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Thanks, that list should be helpful as we conduct this study.
(Looks like something I would do :^)
 
GWH said:
Yes, but if we do not read about Him,
our experience will be limited by having only general revelation,
so a study of the HS might well begin with the statements of Jesus in the gospel of John.

In John 14:16-18 we read, “I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever—the Spirit of truth… [who] will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.” This indicates that the indwelling Spirit is how Jesus enters the hearts of believers as they open the door and invite him in (per Rev. 3:20).

Jesus mentioned the Spirit again in John 15:26, saying “When the Counselor comes, whom I will send you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me.”

And yet again in John 16:13-14 Jesus said, “When he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you.”

We see in these passages an identification of the Spirit with truth or the word of God, which we also find in the OT, such as Isa. 59:21b, “My Spirit, who is on you, and my words that I have put in your mouth will not depart from your mouth, or from the mouths of your children… forever, says the Lord.”

And also in Ezek. 36:26-27, “I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you… I will put my Spirit in you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.”
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He seems to encounter His Own regardless of availability of scripture, we all have encounters, we must go from encounter to lifestyle.
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shittim said:
He seems to encounter His Own regardless of availability of scripture, we all have encounters, we must go from encounter to lifestyle.
best wishes,
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Again, yes, before Scripture was available, He encountered everyone regardless of such,
but they were ignorant of what was specially revealed, which was God's encounters with the Jewish people recorded by Moses
and various prophets and then God's provision of atonement for sin via Messiah as explained in the NT gospels and epistles.
Of course, even today there probably are pockets in the world where the Gospel has not been made available and people are still dependent on general revelation for encountering God.
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shittim seems ready to consider the encounter between God and humans, so I will share the beginning of the next part of the website entitled "Spiritual Dynamics", which gets into that topic. I am trying to be systematic or thorough, so I start with babies.

Interaction between God and humans begins primitively when selfish but innocent babies attain the stage of moral accountability or conscience (normally about the stage of pre-pubescence), comparable to when Adam and Eve became aware it was wrong to eat from the forbidden tree (Gen. 2:17). At this stage a soul’s relationship with God begins in an impersonal way when the person exercises God’s seeking grace to becomes a truthseeker, because God’s Spirit is Truth (1John 5:6) and seeking salvation satisfies the command of Jesus regarding saving faith (Matt. 7:7), although the sinner does not know it (Rom. 1:17)

As a truthseeker at any time in history contemplates creation, Paul indicates that they will be able to discern God’s being and loving will in nature (Rom. 1:20, 2:14-15, Gal. 5:14) by means of what theologians call general revelation. When they realize that God has a moral requirement, if they worship Him they become like Abraham, and the relationship with God becomes personal (Rom. 4:1-25). Presumably God provides such believers the opportunity to learn the proto-gospel, so they may repent of sin and accept the pre-incarnate sacrifice of Christ, whether in the form of Abraham’s ram (Gen. 22:13) or Moses’ lamb (Exo. 12:21).

Rom. 5:6-11 says that while we were powerless (unable to save ourselves via works per Rom. 3:9-20), Christ died for the ungodly or sinners or God’s enemies, so that believers (Rom. 3:22-26) are justified or reconciled and saved from God’s wrath. This includes all of humanity potentially, comparable to how humanity became sinners following the original trespass (Rom. 5:15-21). Presumably, God provides pre-Christian believers the opportunity to hear the gospel of Christ in a pre-NT and pre-Abrahamic or provisional form (cf. the proto-gospel), so they may repent of sin and accept the pre-incarnate One God/ Christ as Lord (John 8:42, 1John 1:3-4).

Paul spoke of the Mosaic Law being for the purpose of convicting souls of sin as preparation for the future coming of Christ and the full Gospel (Rom. 3:19-20, 5:20 & 7:6, Gal. 3:19&24,) The Law or Old Covenant is the second dispensation of revelation. Rom. 5:1-21 clarifies that faith in God by which we are justified or deemed righteous (v.1) is mediated by Jesus Christ, who graces us with hope despite suffering and with love by the inpouring of the Holy Spirit (v.2-5), so that we may reflect God’s love.

At the moment of repentance/saving faith, the Spirit of Christ/God’s Holy Spirit enters the believer’s spiritual heart (Rev. 3:20)–again even though they do not realize it–because Paul taught that whoever does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to Christ (Rom. 8:9). Of course, partial knowledge of God’s Word will limit ability to cooperate with Him, so there is a need for evangelism and learning the full Gospel (Matt. 28:19-20). If a moralist truthseeker (on the basis of general revelation) is taught about God (perhaps via the OT), then he/she may choose to believe in God or become a theist. If theists are taught the Gospel (NT), then they may choose to believe/accept Jesus as Christ. In both cases salvation is a gift/grace from God received by faith “from first to last” (Rom. 1:17).

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