Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Cameron143]

and I'm simply informing you of what Scripture says in Gen 3:22 ... i.e. that natural man can know good as well as know evil ... you've got evil down pat ... when are you going to believe the "know good"?





then you agree that natural man can know good.

and for the record ... nowhere have I ever claimed that Scripture is inaccurate notwithstanding your assertion.





yep ... when the gospel of Christ, which is the power of God unto salvation to those who believe is preached ... natural man can believe and receive the blessing ... or suppress the truth in unrighteousness and receive the consequence.
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It is of little value to me to respond to your posts. You don't give attendance to what I write, I do appreciate the discussion. Grace and peace.

 

[cv5]

As long as I continue to have you under my control, I don't care about your bad company.

BTW we thank you for your candor in exposing your true sentiments.
We need to keep track of who's who in the zoo around here.....

 

[reneweddaybyday]

nope the point was there is only one reference upto that day of abraham as the day that God counted his believing as righteousness

No other mention before then

Because there is no mention does not mean in anyway shape or form, God hasn't done that already with other people before or after.

ok ... just checking ...

in Hebrew 11:4, God tells us Abel obtained witness that he was righteous ...

in 2:5 Peter God tells us Noah was a preacher of righteousness ...

so, yes, in agreement there were others before Abraham who God considered righteous.

But by no uncertain terms can I say how many that number was.

I would say noah

I would say others

But the picture that is mainly being painted here from me Is God placing a message on people hearts and then examining there hearts with his message.

mankind either believes or suppresses the truth in unrighteousness ... and Heb 4:12 tells us it is the Word of God which is the discerner between the thoughts and intents of the heart.
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[reneweddaybyday]

You don't give attendance to what I write, I do appreciate the discussion.

I do pay attendance to what you write and I also appreciate the discussion.
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[Kroogz]

Agree, I think the lame effort to defend Sproul Jr. on here really showed me how tragic it is.
Not denouncing this idea that a 10 year old girl earned (murder, torture, rape) her judgement.
Sick, truly sick.

Yes, the willful obfuscation brings it to another level.

The level of work and insight by you, @studier @reneweddaybyday @Mem and @Pilgrimshope @Kroogz to denounce this
NON - Good News is far way and above anything they have been able to produce.

I certainly see now how these two soteriologies are diametrically opposed to each other,
only one really proclaims the true GOOD News coming from a God who IS Love, Light and Truth and does not play favorites with the gift of salvation.

The Lord Jesus Christ finished sin. He Died For all. A little child is safe in Gods hands.

Nobody is safe in reformed/calvie/tulip theory.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Oh, no, in their theological understanding, Scripture is inaccurate? Not inspired by the Holy Spirit of God?

fyi ... Cameron143 was responding to me and I do not believe Scripture is inaccurate ... and I do believe Scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit of God ... all Scripture God-breathed (2 Tim 3:16).

No wonder they feel it needs to be re-written according to their sick and twisted way of thinking.

no re-writing by me ... on the other hand, I have shown you where you re-write Scripture in your continuous ripping of verses from the context within which the Author of Scripture has placed them ... then conflating a verse from one context with a verse from a completely different context ... then proclaiming you are "harmonizing" ... as if God needs help from you to explain His Word.

What's wrong with just leaving the verse in the context, reading with a mindset of understanding and learning what the Author of Scripture wants you to know?

I have seen him do this a number of times. Him and others.

Only problem is, their thinking is sick and twisted.

Well, not their only problem. That is just a saying.

Obviously they are heavily laden with problems. Quite tragic...

what is "quite tragic" is the fact that there is not one word from you about the Scripture twisting that goes on concerning the parable of the samaritan (and tbh, the way you treat your brothers and sisters in Christ, it's apparent you haven't learned the lesson the Lord Jesus Christ taught) ... not one word about the Scripture twisting that goes on in continuously claiming the gospel is hid as if satan's ability to hide the gospel is greater than God's ability to work within His faithful children in proclaiming the gospel ... smh

They need Jesus!

everybody needs Jesus!
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[Rufus]

Still looking for that zombie Calvin under every rock and crevasse are we?

1Jo 5:19 - And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

Hey, Einstein, why not answer my earlier questions re this passage? I guess you're not quite the hotshot you think you are, heh?

You do believe that the phrase "whole world|" = each and very man, woman and child w/o exception, right?

 

[Rufus]

read verse 18 with verse 19-20, Rufus

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

the born again one living in a world that lieth in wickedness does not alter the fact that we are of God ... that the Son of God is come ... He has given us an understanding that we may know Him that is true, and we are in Him that is true, even in His Son Jesus Christ ... that this is the true God and eternal life ... yet the wicked one toucheth him not even though we live in a world that lies in wickedness.
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The verses you posted don't answer the questions I asked CV5! Don't you believe that the "whole world" means everyone in it w/o exception? (Rhetorical question...of course you do!). So this means that those "born of God" MUST be included if you're going to remain true to FWT interpretation of "world" or "whole world". The apostle clearly contradicted himself if FWT interpretation of v. 18.

 

[Kroogz]

fyi ... Cameron143 was responding to me and I do not believe Scripture is inaccurate ... and I do believe Scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit of God ... all Scripture God-breathed (2 Tim 3:16).



no re-writing by me ... on the other hand, I have shown you where you re-write Scripture in your continuous ripping of verses from the context within which the Author of Scripture has placed them ... then conflating a verse from one context with a verse from a completely different context ... then proclaiming you are "harmonizing" ... as if God needs help from you to explain His Word.

What's wrong with just leaving the verse in the context, reading with a mindset of understanding and learning what the Author of Scripture wants you to know?





what is "quite tragic" is the fact that there is not one word from you about the Scripture twisting that goes on concerning the parable of the samaritan (and tbh, the way you treat your brothers and sisters in Christ, it's apparent you haven't learned the lesson the Lord Jesus Christ taught) ... not one word about the Scripture twisting that goes on in continuously claiming the gospel is hid as if satan's ability to hide the gospel is greater than God's ability to work within His faithful children in proclaiming the gospel ... smh





everybody needs Jesus!
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Rom 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

The Gospel has no power in the reformed/calvie/tulip theory. It is only after a sovereign selection(the Power.)

The Gospel is just something AFTER his selection of them.

 

[Rufus]

BTW we thank you for your candor in exposing your true sentiments.
We need to keep track of who's who in the zoo around here.....

Look no further than the inside of your cage.

 

[Kroogz]

Look no further than the inside of your cage.

That would go against everything you believe........Right?

 

[Rufus]

That would go against everything you believe........Right?

Why would that be? Did Christ come into this world to set all the prisoners w/o exception free?

 

[Kroogz]

Agree, I think the lame effort to defend Sproul Jr. on here really showed me how tragic it is.
Not denouncing this idea that a 10 year old girl earned (murder, torture, rape) her judgement.
Sick, truly sick.

Yes, the willful obfuscation brings it to another level.

The level of work and insight by you, @studier @reneweddaybyday @Mem and @Pilgrimshope @Kroogz to denounce this
NON - Good News is far way and above anything they have been able to produce.

I certainly see now how these two soteriologies are diametrically opposed to each other,
only one really proclaims the true GOOD News coming from a God who IS Love, Light and Truth and does not play favorites with the gift of salvation.

The lengths that the reformed/calvie/tulip will go to to defend their theory is truly sad.........AND UNJUST, UNRIGHTEOUS, UNLOVING.

 

[Kroogz]

Why would that be?

It's funny you even debate your beliefs............It is only for you and your special ones. Us in the cage can't get out.

 

[Kroogz]

You do believe that the phrase "whole world|" = each and very man, woman and child w/o exception, right?

For Adam or for Christ?

 

[Rufus]

It's funny you even debate your beliefs............It is only for you and your special ones. Us in the cage can't get out.

Your overworked imagination needs a well-deserved vacation -- perhaps for the rest of your life. Anyhoo...Jesus did come and set many prisoners free.

 

[Rufus]

For Adam or for Christ?

What does your question have to do with the phrase "whole world" in 1Jn 5:18?

 

[Kroogz]

What does your question have to do with the phrase "whole world" in 1Jn 5:18?

You know.

 

[Kroogz]

The Lord Jesus Christ finished sin. He Died For all. A little child is safe in Gods hands.

Nobody is safe in reformed/calvie/tulip theory.

@NightTwister

Is this little girl safe in your theology?

Because the BIBLE AND HIS WORD unequivocally has this little girl as safe.

If you knew doctrine, you would KNOW.

Only a calvie would "Laugh" at this truth.

 

[Kroogz]

Your overworked imagination needs a well-deserved vacation -- perhaps for the rest of your life. Anyhoo...Jesus did come and set many prisoners free.

He set ALL prisoners free...... Free to choose The Lord Jesus Christ.

The Horrible part?.......You KNOW this. I would not want to be in your shoes.