Are all the spiritual gifts still active today?

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If yes, what is your Biblical and historical evidence?

If no, what is your Biblical and historical evidence?

Why are some spiritual gift lists longer than others and contain for example (music, singleness, apostle, craftsmanship, or deliverance/exorcisms)?
If the physical supernatural manifestations were going on today as they were during the days of the New Testament there would be no need for Biblical or historical evidence.

Your don't prove the existence of ongoing current events with reference books.

You prove them by pointing to them.
 
If even if one of the spiritual gifts are not active today then the spirit is not alive. This is because God never changes, he never says to us I will grant you this gift today but tomorrow it will be gone. No he is alive and fully God and his gifts are an extension of himself, so what then will he cut off a part of himself? will he take back the power of the spirit? or is it rather that man has done this? is it rather that we do not fully grasp why he sent the gifts to begin with and what they truly are?

Are we that foolish? that blind? that numb in the mind? the spiritual gifts are in fact a part of himself and extension of him and he will not cut off his right hand nor his left arm.

So are the gifts for today? they were for yesterday today tomorrow and for all time
 
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If the physical supernatural manifestations were going on today as they were during the
days of the New Testament there would be no need for Biblical or historical evidence.
How would we know they were going on today as they were then with no records?
 
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How would we know they were going on today as they were then with no records?
The issue is not were they happening in the past, this post is about are they happening today.

The Bible is full of examples that they were happening in front of the general population.

But is this happening today?

We live in a time and place that gives us access to even the most mundane events around the world. If supernatural physical manifestations were going on in the general population we would know.

We would all know.
 
The issue is not were they happening in the past, this post is about are they happening today.

The Bible is full of examples that they were happening in front of the general population.

But is this happening today?

We live in a time and place that gives us access to even the most mundane events around the world. If supernatural physical manifestations were going on in the general population we would know.

We would all know.
Like the world goes around covering every miracle. They DO cover them....up.
Since the majority of the world is lost & ruled by Satan, what should we believe from them? I wouldn't believe them either way!
And who believes the church news?
Since everything done by the church is covered up, your assessment is flawed.
 
The simplicity of the truth about the gifts of the Spirit is this: God said so in His Word, & nothing about when they would end.
So since naysayers don't believe the Book, why would they believe me with nothing but my testimony?
Then again, why would any Bible-believing christian believe the naysayers with nothing but their saying so?
I'm taught to believe the Book because it says so.... end of discussion.
Let God be true, & every man a liar.
 
In scripture, the miracles performed was never specifically just for personal proof. It could always be verified by others. Which is also how Luke wrote much of his accounts through eyewitness accounts.

Well sure, Jesus and the disciples were on a mission, that was their job to witness and help people and enlighten them. I guess you cal it a commercial venture for them, the new church! So they prolly made sure there were witness to the event.

What's on our agenda today? Going a town over to spread the gospel? How big is your crowd expected to be?

I don't have a ministry or a commercial venture in to the church. So nowadays more people are getting truths privately. like me. I didn't really ask for proofs they just sort of came. We believe first and after that we will see. So seeing isn't believing. Believing is seeing. I mean afterall, there has been plenty of documented signs and wonders. People don't always choose to believe even God's word! So what other type of proof can one get? Personal proof.

The Lord has revealed Himself to me....a little bit at least. SO I have had my proof. I share the testimonies regularly. Scripture says to share and witness for Him.
 
I responded to what was said. We could not know they were happening as in the past if no records existed.

A record does exist. It's usually called, the Holy Bible.

Don't us Christians believe that God's word is true? It has to be.
 
A record does exist. It's usually called, the Holy Bible.

Don't us Christians believe that God's word is true? It has to be.
Eh. You should try following the conversation better and then you would not be wasting both our time.
 
For the record, I am far from what is considered Charismatic. In fact, while I don't discount them as believing, they exhaust me. Around here, many of them make up stories to support their beliefs. They always feel the need to "be on for the Lord"... quoting scripture, reminding people of the Lord's example, telling people how much the world is wicked, etc. Sheesh. Take a Snickers break.

The Lord has used me to rescue saints from among their ranks. Dreadful abuse, in the name of God, was a common experience for children in their churches: spankings for not remembering Bible verses, no supper for not raising their hands during praise and worship, even some leaders preying upon women of means to separate them from their money. Evil stuff.

With that said, I believe the scripture is quite clear AND it matches my experience: the gifts are still active today. I was what you called a reluctant believer of spiritual gifts: I didn't experience them myself but I believe others had. But then the Lord let me participate in them as well. I wrote about some of my experiences in this forum.

Also, for you consideration, in the beginning of the church it was necessary to have many manifestations of the power of God. the people saw this as evidence of the truth of the gospel and of the validity of Jesus as the Messiah. Now, while this is still needed for some, as the church moves into the end of Days, she will need endowments of wisdom and understanding - saints who know the Lord and who, by their own testimony, can strengthen their brothers and sisters. These men and women will be happy to raise up others by the help of their faithfulness and experience in the Lord. These bastions of light will be characterized by deep, meaningful relationships between the saints - like Jesus had with His disciples, Paul had with Timothy and others, and John had with his spiritual children - by these examples, the world will know we are the children of God.
 
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Also, for you consideration, in the beginning of the church it was necessary to have many manifestations of the power of God. the people saw this as evidence of the truth of the gospel and of the validity of Jesus as the Messiah. Now, while this is still needed for some, as the church moves into the end of Days, she will need endowments of wisdom and understanding - saints who know the Lord and who, by their own testimony, can strengthen their brothers and sisters. These men and women will be happy to raise up others by the help of their faithfulness and experience in the Lord. These bastions of light will be characterized by deep, meaningful relationships between the saints - like Jesus had with His disciples, Paul had with Timothy and others, and John had with his spiritual children - by these examples, the world will know we are the children of God.
I fully agree. Paul teaches to let all of our actions be to edification & comfort for the saints.
So, if a gift edifies the body, great; if it edifies just me, good but not great.
Jesus always had His mind on others, and if we are going to follow His steps, SO SHOULD WE!
 
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We have the Bible and Holy Spirit guidance in all truth.
We have all we need, if we just perceive.
Yes, we have HIM, but does He have us?
The Holy Spirit is a wonderful Helper to us all. But....many can't walk in His fullness because of their unbelief.
Even as Pentecostals, we don't believe/walk in the fullness of His grace, & because we don't, He can't be more in us than He currently is. When I saw this, I realized that I'm still a great ways off from Him!
I am NOT gonna be like many today who SAY they live in it all when I don't!
The LORD showed me a couple of months ago that all christians have His grace, but it's not activated to its potential because we don't believe it to be greater than we think . And as a man thinketh, so is he, & usually a lot less than his potential.
God can't love us any more than He already does, & refuses to love us any less. Because this is true, God's grace has to go much higher, much deeper to equal His love for us!
Today's church is puny by Acts' standard, & it's all man's fault, not God's.
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, & forever!
This is why Jesus said, "All things are possible to them that believe!"
 
The Body of Christ is so divided, politically driven, given to conspiracies, and emotionally anxious primarily because of the rejection of the apostolic and prophetic gifts.
 
The Body of Christ is so divided, politically driven, given to conspiracies, and emotionally anxious primarily because of the rejection of the apostolic and prophetic gifts.
Agreed. Nowadays it takes the Holy Spirit just to get us on the same page, LOL!
 
The Body of Christ is so divided, politically driven, given to conspiracies, and emotionally anxious primarily because of the rejection of the apostolic and prophetic gifts.

How do you define the apostolic and prophetic gifts? And should we expect the experience today to be the same as recorded in scripture and the early church?
 
How do you define the apostolic and prophetic gifts? And should we expect the experience today to be the same as recorded in scripture and the early church?

That's a good question. I cannot give you a full answer because of limited space and time here but I will provide an outline. I can fill in any questions that may arise.

First, there are times and seasons of the Lord. We must understand that these are not natural times and seasons as determined by creation:

"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years..."

"He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down."

Instead, the times of the Lord are determined by the revealing of His will in the earth. These are like dispensations BUT these times should not be understood like the dispensationalists understand them. Instead, they should be seen as building blocks, elements if you will, of His one great divine plan. So, what was once needed or revealed may again be needed and revealed. It is not a one-and-done like some say. Of course some things will not be needed again. For example, there is only One Lord Jesus Christ and Head of the church and He will not be replaced or usurped.

So, as these times are revealed, some are given understanding about what God is doing. This understanding is ultimately to be disseminated to the people who also fear the Lord. Such people existed in all epochs. It was said of the men of Issachar (part of David's army) that they understood the times and knew what the people ought to do.

"..of the sons of Issachar who had understanding of the times, to know what Israel ought to do..."


Jesus scolded the Jewish leadership this way:

"Hypocrites! You know how to discern the face of the sky, but you cannot discern the signs of the times."

Paul would carry the theme of times and seasons into his life. He wrote this to the Thessalonians:

"But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night."

This contrasts greatly with his assessment of the Corinthians when he wrote this to them;

"And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ. I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able..."

Often, you will read references to "times" and "seasons" or see a phrase like "in the fullness of time" - these are times and seasons of the Lord. Paul would often expound on these things: 1st describing the outcome and then 2nd referencing the eternal reality that supports the conclusion.

Like in this passage:

"In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence, 9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, 10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him. 11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, 12 that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory."

We read this as a proof text of predestination when it is actually understanding about how one might, being commissioned by the Lord, best serve the people: deliver the understanding that is given and then connect the message with the eternal reality that is vested in the Lord. Knowing the times are anchored in the Lord (and His one master plan) leaves no room for anxiety or baseless speculation or fear.

I wrote all this to say: The apostolic and prophetic gifts are given to disseminate wisdom and understanding to the people of God about the times and seasons of the Lord. Foundationally, they help the people apply the Word of God to their lives. New scriptures are not needed but knowing which scriptures are for the day and time can only be discerned spiritually.

Blessings
 
If the physical supernatural manifestations were going on today as they were during the days of the New Testament there would be no need for Biblical or historical evidence.

Your don't prove the existence of ongoing current events with reference books.

You prove them by pointing to them.

You should get out more. But God isn't going to show up under a demand for a sign. So the more you're out in the Cgristian community the better chance you have of being one of the ones who were blessed and allowed to witness a sign or a miracle. I've heard through video testimonies and pastors & missionaries telling stories of when they were in Africa. Several of them have said that they seen people raised from the dead over there or even multiple times. Africa is perhaps the least indoctrinated place on earth. So when missionaries take bibles over there, no one tells them not to believe it (Lol) and so many miracles happen. So if you're keen on demanding proof that you can see, go visit Africa Brother!

I like watching testimony videos on youtube. There are a bunch of good ones.