Agree, there is no debate, and your presentation of this should have ended the thread, but what can they do, they have to save face, and descend to the most vile attacks.
I remember when there were pastors/churches which where not infected with this nonsense soteriology and held to the traditional plan.
It is very troubling when the simple plan of salvation has become corrupted .. for the appalling
wait and see lottery selection process.
Responding positively to the personal
GOOD NEWS of God's love and sacrifice......nope, not possible, here are the verses I have pulled out from any context which show the door is closed to you until God activates you, because your positive response is a work even if you could do it.
I find this so disgusting.
Numbers 21:6-9 (
see also John 3:14)
The LORD sent fiery serpents among the people and they bit the people, so that many people of Israel died. So the people came to Moses and said, “We have sinned, because we have spoken against the LORD and you; intercede with the LORD, that He may remove the serpents from us.” And Moses
interceded for the people. Then the LORD said to Moses, “Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a standard; and it shall come about, that
everyone who is bitten, when he looks at it, he will live.” And Moses made a bronze serpent and set it on the standard; and it came about, that
if a serpent bit any man, when he looked to the bronze serpent, he lived.
Dave Hunt a great man of the correct soteriology states:
Dave Hunt:
“The healing from the poisonous snakebite was not for a select group within Israel whom God had predestined to be healed, but for ‘everyone...any man.’ The only limitation was to look in faith to the upraised serpent.
Likewise, everyone who has been bitten by ‘that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan’ (Revelation 12:9) is healed if they will but look in faith to Christ lifted up on the Cross.” (What Love is This?, pp.259-260)
