Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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HeIsHere said:
Translation: This could dismantle my presuppositions so I won't investigate further.
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Have you finally looked into how Jesus said people come to know God? You know, to smash your presups
and false claims about God... not to mention the many other things you have said which directly contradict
what God's revealed written Word has said as well as what The Living Word of God has said...

Let us know when you have aligned your personal opinions with Scripture. It will be a joyful day for some
of us, though no doubt your comrades in arms here will be very sad to see you aligning yourself with Truth.
 
cv5 said:
What I said is that Adam effectively committed suicide to be with his now fallen bride in a calculated gambit to save both her and him, knowing full well the justice and mercy of his God. In other words, Adam knew EXACTLY what he was doing and why. And what he was doing was defeating Satan in a roundabout way.

His calculations were correct. The Greater Adam Who would be the necessary and effective and adequate sacrifice was prophesied immediately thereafter.

You failed to hear those awesome lectures that I posted? It's only perhaps 10 or 12 hours total. I have listened to them all (and the rest) at least 3 or 4 times apiece. Maybe 100 hours or so.

I guess that would be why I know exactly what I am talking about whereas you do not huh?
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I know what you said. You're simply wrong.
 
BillyBob said:
Have you noticed that every time anything is mentioned as [being received from God] Fwers start an argument. The argument goes like this:
  • Sure scripture is talking about faith being given, just not saving faith, which is necessary for salvation.
  • Sure scripture is talking about belief being given, just not saving belief which is necessary for salvation.
They are losing their grip, They all need to gather around cv5 and help support his outstretched arms, otherwise they will never prevail!
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We have stated repeatedly, salvation by God's grace is the GIFT and it is received.

On the other hand some people here have tried to argue receiving a gift is a work! :rolleyes:
 
HeIsHere said:
Translation: This could dismantle my presuppositions so I won't investigate further.
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That's absurd. It is actually a matter of whom do you trust. And given the translations I posted effectively and independently are all saying the same thing thereby validating the doctrine - and Indiana cv5 Jones and Henry studier Jones, Sr., somehow were able to find a non-existent quirk that none of those translations were able to find - I'll just go ahead and trust the translations. Further, the translations align perfectly with salvation being by God's grace through Jesus Christ, as a free gift, and not by man's works, maintaining harmony with the rest of scripture. You do believe that it is by God's grace with you being a Christian and all, don't you? No, you probably don't since your trust is in your works and not in God's.
 
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HeIsHere said:
We have stated repeatedly, salvation by God's grace is the GIFT and it is received.
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Where is faith? Oh, you don't count faith as a good thing.

Well, we also state certain things repeatedly and then others bellyache about it.

When they are not busy doing that they get busy lying about what we have or have not said.
 
HeIsHere said:
Unfortunately, the time, effort and information will not move those with the "god of salvation favoritism" however, for those of us

who roundly refute this god, it is much appreciated and very helpful!!
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The Numbers 21 bronze serpent scenario utterly dismantles every Calvinistic precept there ever was top to bottom. Despite them not having the slightest idea why.

Having said that, I also figure that every serpent bitten Calvinist-inclined soul in that camp surely perished.
 
Cameron143 said:
I base it on Adam's words and actions. If Adam was so keen to protect his wife, why did he blame her?
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Come, come, Scripture is nothing to some of these people. Their opinions trump it.

That almost sounds like trumpet. Well, they trumpet their opinions which contradict Scripture.
 
the_seeker said:
well, that's not true, there is something found in favour of your opinion, but the scholars claiming that is a small minority of the scholar society.

The overwhelming majority of scholars say that we do not know who wrote the gospels. Let me take an example:
The gospel of John was written around year 90-95. In near perfect greek language. So, if anyone claims it was written by the apostle John who followed Jesus, how probable is that?
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Perhaps it would be better if you signed-up for AtheistChat.com
 
cv5 said:
Well you go right ahead and do that.
And enjoy the fact that your unfettered free will allowed you to so.
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No, it comes from knowing the things of God, which knowledge, came from the Holy Spirit as a spiritual man, and not as a natural man. Which things, you seem not to know.
 
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BillyBob said:
Perhaps it would be better if you signed-up for AtheistChat.com
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Well, he did identify as an agnostic, but same old same old really, though some do not realize that a defining aspect of agnosticism is they not only claim they do not know but that nobody else can know either. Knowing being in relation to whether or not God exists.

a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence
or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena...
 
rogerg said:
No, it comes from knowing the things of God, which knowledge, came from the Holy Spirit
as a spiritual man, and not as a natural man. Which things, you seem not to know.
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The natural man cannot know them... their theology denies this.

The whole free will theological stance is based on contradicting and denying what Scripture explicitly articulates.

Which translates into: they do not have a leg to stand on.
 
cv5 said:
What I said is that Adam effectively committed suicide to be with his now fallen bride in a calculated gambit to save both her and him, knowing full well the justice and mercy of his God. In other words, Adam knew EXACTLY what he was doing and why. And what he was doing was defeating Satan in a roundabout way.

His calculations were correct. The Greater Adam Who would be the necessary and effective and adequate sacrifice was prophesied immediately thereafter.

You failed to hear those awesome lectures that I posted? It's only perhaps 10 or 12 hours total. I have listened to them all (and the rest) at least 3 or 4 times apiece. Maybe 100 hours or so.

I guess that would be why I know exactly what I am talking about whereas you do not huh?
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If I was in the mood for fiction, I would rather watch 10 or 12 hours of cartoons!
 
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BillyBob said:
If I was in the mood for fiction, I would rather watch 10 or 12 hours of cartoons!
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Adam defeated Satan? I may have never before ever heard such utterly worthless poppycock!
Where do these people come up with this stuff? The toilet? It should have been flushed long ago!

The vainglorious ways these self-idolaters have of adding to God's Word is gob smacking.
 
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