Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Magenta]

You mean like Israel was commanded to obey the Law of Moses all the time under all circumstances?
Where in scripture does it say that men have the innate ability to do that?

It doesn't. We are not fooled by the lies others tell. Thank God!

Even among those God proclaimed righteous were many who had broken the laws they were commanded to keep.

 

[Rufus]

amen ...

Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
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But that doesn't change the fact that throughout the entire OT, Israel was commanded to KEEP ALL GOD'S COMMANDMENTS! So...why would God tell them to do something that was impossible? Was He jerking their chain? Conning the Jews into thinking they could do something that far above their pay grade? And look how Israel & Judah were punished severely for not keeping God's holy law!

 

[Magenta]

I havent left that out

I quoted. A few days ago this very thing,

But you may not recall I showed real interest in the oracle also

It was placed on the heart of men in the old t in Jeremiah

It's why I brought it up as I just knew it has great significance for the natural man in his fallen state

It's the oracle I believe it has greatness attached to it also

I believe the oracle is sent to all and it's a message placed on the heart that people either rule over sin with that day or they don't.

I remember

Psalm 36 verses 1-4 ~ An oracle is in my heart regarding the transgression of the wicked man: There is no fear of God before his eyes. For his eyes are too full of conceit to detect or hate his own sin. The words of his mouth are wicked and deceitful; he has ceased to be wise and well-doing. Even on his bed he plots wickedness; he sets himself on a path that is not good; he fails to reject evil.

 

[Genez]

Another paragon and wealth of info. And you know why they entered? God decreed it!

You keep forgetting?

God is love.
Merciful.
Righteous.
And, Just.

Everything that happens?
Has been decreed by God.
Everything.

Even the Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons were decreed by God.

in Christ....

 

[Rufus]

If God tells me I can do something why do you think He needs me to comply to the rules you think I need?

What exactly has God told you to do that you CAN do? Chapter and verse, please.

 

[Cameron143]

Seeing as you failed to grasp the necessary work of the Holy Ghost in the world of men for deliverance and salvation, let us
next proceed to how God deals with those MEN who WILLINGLY COMPLY to His will as candidates and volunteers.

1) eternal remembrance
Mat 26:13
Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, there shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her.

Rev 21:14
And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

[Mal 3:16 KJV]
Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard [it], and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.

2) eternal reward
Gen 15:1
After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.
Heb 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

3) eternal glorification
Rom 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Rom 8:30
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

I'm not the one who excludes the Holy Spirit from bringing people to faith. That's you.

 

[cv5]

Fair point however the law was not given because he expected us to be able to keep it fully it was to show how much we needed a savior

Only the super-determinists propound that God expected Israel to keep the law "perfectly".
God expected Israel to keep the law IN GOOD FAITH.

Faithfully. Not perfectly. Big difference.

But the super-determinists always make God appear to be the unjust demanding tyrant asking that which is impossible.
It gives them some kind of unsavory psychological thrill to say so continually.

Just listen to @Rufus . He sounds like a prosecuting attorney condemning the entire human race 24/7.

 

[cv5]

I'm not the one who excludes the Holy Spirit from bringing people to faith. That's you.

I'm not the one who kicked Gideon to the curb like he didn't exist.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

we are told in scripture many times to choose life or choose death we however cannot choose life in our natural fleshly state unless we are drawn to him first

God must first act to enable faith to be produced.

is not the fact that we have Scriptures to read ... we have faithful believers who speak the truth of God's Word ... isn't that God drawing ... acting first ???
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[Cameron143]

really? ... hmmm

Hebrews 11:32-33 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets: Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions
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Gideon didn't trust God until he went down and heard the soldiers talking. Read the story for yourself.

 

[Rufus]

You keep forgetting?

God is love.
Merciful.
Righteous.
And, Just.

Everything that happens?
Has been decreed by God.
Everything.

Even the Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons were decreed by God.

in Christ....

Now...you're catching on. But then...if God decreed the heretical sects of JWs and Mormons, then how can he judge them righteously? Or maybe you think they're saved?

 

[studier]

You mean you don't believe your will is libertine by nature?

Not being pulled into philosophical abstractions about free will. Biblically, whenever the gospel is proclaimed and the Spirit convicts, fallen man retains the God-given faculty to choose to believe in Jesus Christ or to reject Him.

 

[Rufus]

Philippians 3 verse 3; Colossians 2 verse 11; Romans 2 verse 29b ~ For it is we who are the circumcision, we who worship by the Spirit of God, who glory in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh. You were also circumcised, in the putting off of your sinful nature, with the circumcision performed by Christ and not by human hands. Circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code.

Wait one darn minute! What about those who have this superman-type ability to circumcise their own hearts and believe they don't need God meddling around in their lives?

 

[Cameron143]

nope ... rolling eyes were the response to this post submitted by your bosom buddy ... and your heart-heart emoji:

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Perhaps don't combine posts.

 

[Magenta]

Romans 15 v 4 ~ Everything that was written in the past was written for our instruction, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures, we might have hope.

 

[Cameron143]

is not the fact that we have Scriptures to read ... we have faithful believers who speak the truth of God's Word ... isn't that God drawing ... acting first ???
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I didn't say draw; I said enable.

 

[Magenta]

Wait one darn minute! What about those who have this superman-type ability to circumcise their own hearts and believe they don't need God meddling around in their lives?

Yeah, I was trying to get an answer from one of our resident heretics but they would not fess up.

 

[Rufus]

Not being pulled into philosophical abstractions about free will. Biblically, whenever the gospel is proclaimed and the Spirit convicts, fallen man retains the God-given faculty to choose to believe in Jesus Christ or to reject Him.

Then quit squawking about "freewill" already! What are you even doing on this thread? Why can't you just be honest for once and tell us that you believe in Libertinism? Why do you conceal what you believe about the nature of man's will?

 

[Genez]

Now...you're catching on. But then...if God decreed the heretical sects of JWs and Mormons, then how can he judge them righteously? Or maybe you think they're saved?

You think that because you do not really understand what decreed means.

You really don't.

God decreed that Hitler would live.

For nothing exists without God decreeing it will exist.

You are using the Word incorrectly.

 

[Rufus]

Yeah, I was trying to get an answer from one of our resident heretics but they would not fess up.

All I know is that that self-circumcision thingy didn't work out too swell for Israel.