Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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God actually has a long history of telling people to do things they can't do. That's how He gets the glory. Gideon comes to mind.
Free willers contradict and deny so many Scriptures it is mind boggling! Their error is far reaching and
impacts so very many verses which they must then contradict and deny in order to hold to their vain
self-exalting philosophically based precept that they try to pass off as a Biblical doctrine when it is not.


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"Free will" in the Bible? ~ Freedom is something believers are called to (Galatians 5 verse 13). We need Jesus to “set us free” (Galatians 5 verse 1). If Jesus has not freed us from the bondage of sin, then we are still slaves to sin (Romans 6 verses 6-7). Freedom is found in the presence of the Spirit (2 Corinthians 3 verse 17). Only Jesus can give us true freedom (John 8 verse 36). Only through His lovingkindness can we truly make choices unfettered by a nature that is inherently hostile toward God.
 
They say that saving faith is something good therefore it must come from God, again they are adding an attribute to saving faith that scripture does not.
Oh, I get it. Saving faith in your theology is not good. Wow. Adding another one to the already long list.
 
Tell me how you circumcised your heart and ears, please.

How much else of what Peter said do you reject?

Now then, why do you test God by placing on the necks of the disciples
a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear?


You do realize what that means, what it was in regards to?

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Romans 11 v 32 God has consigned everyone to disobedience so that He may have mercy on all.
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I tend to always take God at His Word and haven't been let down yet. I feel bad that you trust the Clays words more than the Potters.
 
God actually has a long history of telling people to do things they can't do. That's how He gets the glory. Gideon comes to mind.
That is because Gideon didn't believe God but if he did like Joshua then he would have fulfilled what God told him to do immediately.
 
I tend to always take God at His Word and haven't been let down yet. I feel bad that you trust the Clays words more than the Potters.
Giving an ad hom and a false accusation instead of answering does not help your case. It hinders it.

Please tell me, did you circumcise your own heart? And ears?

Please tell us how you did this.

And are you also saying you kept all 613 laws?

You must be a legend in your own mind...

One for the Guinness book of records!
 
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Here is one verse about free will....

Definitely about choice!

Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge,
but whoever hates correction is stupid.


Proverbs 12:1

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It's crystal clear to me as to which of the two camps you fall...and it's not part "a" of the text.
 
have you considered Scripture which tells us man can know good and evil?

Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil ...

Everyone who has posted in this thread acknowledges that it is God Who reaches out to mankind ... and God reaches out through the Scripture He has given us to read ... through sending faithful believers to speak His Word to us.

When God reaches out to us, mankind has only two responses ...

1) believe the Word; or
2) suppress the truth in unrighteousness (don't believe the Word)


Since God has stated that mankind can know good (Gen 3:22) ... why is there an insistence that mankind cannot comprehend when God reaches out? ... why is there no understanding from some that natural man does comprehend and, at times, natural man believes what he or she is told?

But according to some, the only response available from mankind is rejection.

I believe natural man can believe what God tells them ... I do not believe all reject out of hand ... Abraham is an example ... Rahab is an example ... Naaman is an example ...

There are too many examples in Scripture which indicate that natural man can respond positively to God and this truth is rejected out of hand by some (@Magenta, @Rufus, @BillyBob for sure ... not sure about you).
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I have a little more time now, It's without question That our Father is A God of discipline, obedience, order, love.

All the Good qualities we can display also.

We could look to these traits as why he decided to take the actions He did with mankind, but the good news is he hasn't abandoned mankind, all tho scripture indicates how close he was in doing so, because of how dear he holds those values.

One scripture coming to mind that he regretted creating us.

Which could mean at one time he created mankind with some kind of inner freedom unique to mankind before the fall, that at times is burning to come out in the natural man but struggles

We see God pre warning people many times in advance, and I see that as some kind of enabling to.

Because mankind in there fallen state needs reminding or confirmation to do the right thing, because the knowledge of evil is going to choose for them, but not just choose but change their emotions there feelings, and no doubt repeatably tempt them into not doing the right thing.

I could be wrong but we see many times God telling people what to do, without specifically telling them what there going to.

But suggestion they do good today or that they rule over bad today.

So I feel for some exceptions on theses bases that a natural man can do the right thing, but on what bases ?

By themselves ?

I doubt it,

If not by themselves then how ?
Just maybe the communication that takes place has a kind of will attached to it that either the person passes the test with or they don't.

We know our.father examines the heart and tests the heart.
 
It looks like a reminder is in order to counter the lies of @lrs68

Jesus came to fulfill the law because none other could keep them as God commanded.

Just as Peter said.

Christianity 101.
 
the only Scripturally accurate words in the above woven web are:

"everyone is born with a sinful nature and is a sinner"

all the rest is fodder and can be let go ...

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

only hold to that which is Scriptural and forget the rest ....


Great advice! Even Jesus warned his disciples about the Pharisees: "Do as they say, but not as they do" (Mat 23:3)!

Now all you have to do is take your own advice...
 
That is because Gideon didn't believe God but if he did like Joshua then he would have fulfilled what God told him to do immediately.

You're awareness of the Word is abysmal. Do you know how many passages there are that teach that God is the superhero of his chosen people and that strictly by his doing, the Jews occupied the Land? And that includes even under Joshua's leadership!
 
@Magenta
I see no lies in my post to you about taking God at His word.
It's YOU that added the things I did not say and then YOU claimed me to be a liar when I done none of things you claim.

Hmmm, you remind me of John Calvin.

Are you planning on murdering me next?
 
Giving an ad hom and a false accusation instead of answering does not help your case. It hinders it.

Please tell me, did you circumcise your own heart? And ears?

Please tell us how you did this.

And are you also saying you kept all 613 laws?

You must be a legend in your own mind...

One for the Guinness book of records!

Maybe lrs has a few Pharisees in his Jewish lineage.
 
You're awareness of the Word is abysmal. Do you know how many passages there are that teach that God is the superhero of his chosen people and that strictly by his doing, the Jews occupied the Land? And that includes even under Joshua's leadership!
God is always the hero.
Man just does what God says man can do.
 
@Magenta
I see no lies in my post to you about taking God at His word.
It's YOU that added the things I did not say and then YOU claimed me to be a liar when I done none of things you claim.

Hmmm, you remind me of John Calvin.

Are you planning on murdering me next?

Why do you ask: Are you sporting a martyr's complex?
 
You say it's impossible to do but God says to do it as if we are able to do it. If God tells me to do something I choose to believe I can because God does not have a Biblical record of telling people to do something they aren't able to do.
Right. So the super-determinists are telling us that although we are hopelessly utterly incapable, God is commanding us to do something He knows we cannot ? And our eternal future is at stake?

Sounds crazy and hopeless right? But the super-determinists love crazy and hopeless, so don't expect tearful repentance any time soon.
 
Maybe lrs has a few Pharisees in his Jewish lineage.
Maybe you're like your Reformed ancestors and proclaim a lie that was never said in order to kill the one that proves your doctrine to be false?
 
@Magenta
I see no lies in my post to you about taking God at His word.
It's YOU that added the things I did not say and then YOU claimed me to be a liar when I done none of things you claim.

Hmmm, you remind me of John Calvin.

Are you planning on murdering me next?
The lie was you said I was believing clay over the potter. And still no answer from you.

Who are you saying Jean Calvin murdered? More like you are a child of the oiginal murderer, spreading more lies.

Good bye.
 
That is correct!

What you are failing at is seeing how man is constructed with soul and body, and that it is the fallen body that enslaves the soul.

What about man's nature? His heart? The world? The devil? Sin?

Have you ever considered going under the knife and getting a skin transplant done from the crown of your head to the bottom of your feet?
 
Amen

“Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach. It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask, “Who will ascend into heaven to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?” Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask, “Who will cross the sea to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?”

No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it.

See, I set before you today life and prosperity, death and destruction.

For I command you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in obedience to him, and to keep his commands, decrees and laws; then you will live and increase, and the Lord your God will bless you in the land you are entering to possess.

But if your heart turns away and you are not obedient, and if you are drawn away to bow down to other gods and worship them, I declare to you this day that you will certainly be destroyed. You will not live long in the land you are crossing the Jordan to enter and possess.

This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭30:11-19‬ ‭NIV‬‬

as far back as cain the firstborn man on earth there’s absolutely nothing to say cain didint hear and understand what god told him

“Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? If you do what is right, will you not be accepted?

But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you,

but you must rule over it.””
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭4:6-7‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Cain choosing his own evil idea instead has nothing to do with him not being able to hear and grasp what god told him .

at his is a perfect example of why we don’t want to try to invent entire doctrines from sentences in Paul’s letters like this one

“But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭2:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬


you can see how it just goes haywire if we do that we shouldn’t take that sentance and then try to use it to disprove obvious facts that are in front of us such as all men are capable of hearing god or understanding words because he said them

….unless he intentionally makes them blind and dead to his word and unable to hear like he did isreal after their breaking of his covenant

“And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed. Then said I, Lord, how long? And he answered, Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land be utterly desolate, and the LORD have removed men far away, and there be a great forsaking in the midst of the land.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭6:9-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

air co fuses many because Jesus talks to them and says things about them not being able to hear and come to him unless he enables them but he’s talking to the rebellious house of Israel that he made blind and deaf after they broke his covenant worshipping the many many false gods of thier history

But that’s part of Israel’s covenant curse it had nothing to do with anyone else gentiles never had and broke his covenant nor were they made deaf and blind to his word . In general mankind has never been unable to respond to god we just choose the evil sometimes rather than the good all the time
yes ... don't know why there is so much angst over this ...
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