Did the Apostles Use Baptist Like Evangelicals Use 'The Sinner's Prayer'

[presidente]

I read that the sinner's prayer ritual is about 70 years old. Billy Graham had people who responded to altar calls go back to prayer counselors in a separate room who would walk them through a booklet that explained the gospel, that had a prayer at the end designed to function as a confession of faith. Crusades grew, and he started having the masses repeat the prayer at the back of the booklet.

Jesus told a parable in which the publican who prayed, "Lord, have mercy on me a sinner" was justified, and Paul wrote about confessing Jesus as Lord and believing that God raised Him from the dead.

Over time, a lot of evangelicals dropped the parts about confessing oneself as a sinner and the cross and the resurrection and we see what we do today, and a lot of them think that repeating that prayer IS 'getting saved.'

But if I look in Acts 2, Peter preaches Jesus, the resurrected and ascended Christ, then when the people ask what they should do, he told them to repent and be baptized for the remission of sins. In Acts 10, when Gentiles believed and spoke in tongues and magnified God as the Spirit was poured out, Peter asked, who could forbid water and they were baptized. The Lord appeared in a vision to a man named Ananias and had him go to Saul of Tarsus. He said to arise and be baptized, and calling upon the name of the Lord to wash away his sin. Many Corinthians believed and were baptized. Paul baptized the Philippian jailer and his household, who had believed in Jesus. Paul also baptized Ephesians who had been familiar with John's baptism before he preached Christ to them and baptized.

If we consider what the Lord said to the eleven when sending them out, to make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, teaching them to obey all things whatsoever he had commanded them, then it makes sense that they prioritized baptism, since Jesus wanted that, even for the Gentiles.

Since the apostle's method was to baptize converts, why don't evangelicals follow apostolic example on this issue?

 

[ResidentAlien]

Since the apostle's method was to baptize converts, why don't evangelicals follow apostolic example on this issue?

In all my conversations with people about this, the main reason I see is they don't think baptism is "integral" or important to the gospel message. How they can think this in light of overwhelming evidence to the contrary is baffling. Personally, I believe the change came about when theologians got involved.

 

[DavidLamb]

I read that the sinner's prayer ritual is about 70 years old. Billy Graham had people who responded to altar calls go back to prayer counselors in a separate room who would walk them through a booklet that explained the gospel, that had a prayer at the end designed to function as a confession of faith. Crusades grew, and he started having the masses repeat the prayer at the back of the booklet.

Jesus told a parable in which the publican who prayed, "Lord, have mercy on me a sinner" was justified, and Paul wrote about confessing Jesus as Lord and believing that God raised Him from the dead.

Over time, a lot of evangelicals dropped the parts about confessing oneself as a sinner and the cross and the resurrection and we see what we do today, and a lot of them think that repeating that prayer IS 'getting saved.'

But if I look in Acts 2, Peter preaches Jesus, the resurrected and ascended Christ, then when the people ask what they should do, he told them to repent and be baptized for the remission of sins. In Acts 10, when Gentiles believed and spoke in tongues and magnified God as the Spirit was poured out, Peter asked, who could forbid water and they were baptized. The Lord appeared in a vision to a man named Ananias and had him go to Saul of Tarsus. He said to arise and be baptized, and calling upon the name of the Lord to wash away his sin. Many Corinthians believed and were baptized. Paul baptized the Philippian jailer and his household, who had believed in Jesus. Paul also baptized Ephesians who had been familiar with John's baptism before he preached Christ to them and baptized.

If we consider what the Lord said to the eleven when sending them out, to make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, teaching them to obey all things whatsoever he had commanded them, then it makes sense that they prioritized baptism, since Jesus wanted that, even for the Gentiles.

Since the apostle's method was to baptize converts, why don't evangelicals follow apostolic example on this issue?

But many evangelicals (and not only Baptists) do indeed baptise converts. I don't think they see it as being like the sinner's prayer. Those who do use that prayer say that it is the way somebody becomes a Christ, but baptism is a sign that one has become a Christian.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Since the apostle's method was to baptize converts, why don't evangelicals follow apostolic example on this issue?

Water baptism is not expedient for pop religion.

 

[ResidentAlien]

I read that the sinner's prayer ritual is about 70 years old. Billy Graham had people who responded to altar calls go back to prayer counselors in a separate room who would walk them through a booklet that explained the gospel, that had a prayer at the end designed to function as a confession of faith. Crusades grew, and he started having the masses repeat the prayer at the back of the booklet.

Jesus told a parable in which the publican who prayed, "Lord, have mercy on me a sinner" was justified, and Paul wrote about confessing Jesus as Lord and believing that God raised Him from the dead.

Over time, a lot of evangelicals dropped the parts about confessing oneself as a sinner and the cross and the resurrection and we see what we do today, and a lot of them think that repeating that prayer IS 'getting saved.'

But if I look in Acts 2, Peter preaches Jesus, the resurrected and ascended Christ, then when the people ask what they should do, he told them to repent and be baptized for the remission of sins. In Acts 10, when Gentiles believed and spoke in tongues and magnified God as the Spirit was poured out, Peter asked, who could forbid water and they were baptized. The Lord appeared in a vision to a man named Ananias and had him go to Saul of Tarsus. He said to arise and be baptized, and calling upon the name of the Lord to wash away his sin. Many Corinthians believed and were baptized. Paul baptized the Philippian jailer and his household, who had believed in Jesus. Paul also baptized Ephesians who had been familiar with John's baptism before he preached Christ to them and baptized.

If we consider what the Lord said to the eleven when sending them out, to make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, teaching them to obey all things whatsoever he had commanded them, then it makes sense that they prioritized baptism, since Jesus wanted that, even for the Gentiles.

Since the apostle's method was to baptize converts, why don't evangelicals follow apostolic example on this issue?

You make some very good points. Baptism was, in fact, a top priority for the new believers recorded in the New Testament. They didn't hesitate or quibble about is it a "work"; they just did it. Now it's a low priority for many, if not most, evangelicals.

 

[Eli1]

You make some very good points. Baptism was, in fact, a top priority for the new believers recorded in the New Testament. They didn't hesitate or quibble about is it a "work"; they just did it. Now it's a low priority for many, if not most, evangelicals.

Yes because back then there wasn't a Catholic church so people can get triggered and have a counter-reaction.

 

[homwardbound]

I read that the sinner's prayer ritual is about 70 years old. Billy Graham had people who responded to altar calls go back to prayer counselors in a separate room who would walk them through a booklet that explained the gospel, that had a prayer at the end designed to function as a confession of faith. Crusades grew, and he started having the masses repeat the prayer at the back of the booklet.

Jesus told a parable in which the publican who prayed, "Lord, have mercy on me a sinner" was justified, and Paul wrote about confessing Jesus as Lord and believing that God raised Him from the dead.

Over time, a lot of evangelicals dropped the parts about confessing oneself as a sinner and the cross and the resurrection and we see what we do today, and a lot of them think that repeating that prayer IS 'getting saved.'

But if I look in Acts 2, Peter preaches Jesus, the resurrected and ascended Christ, then when the people ask what they should do, he told them to repent and be baptized for the remission of sins. In Acts 10, when Gentiles believed and spoke in tongues and magnified God as the Spirit was poured out, Peter asked, who could forbid water and they were baptized. The Lord appeared in a vision to a man named Ananias and had him go to Saul of Tarsus. He said to arise and be baptized, and calling upon the name of the Lord to wash away his sin. Many Corinthians believed and were baptized. Paul baptized the Philippian jailer and his household, who had believed in Jesus. Paul also baptized Ephesians who had been familiar with John's baptism before he preached Christ to them and baptized.

If we consider what the Lord said to the eleven when sending them out, to make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, teaching them to obey all things whatsoever he had commanded them, then it makes sense that they prioritized baptism, since Jesus wanted that, even for the Gentiles.

Since the apostle's method was to baptize converts, why don't evangelicals follow apostolic example on this issue?

Believe, (Son as risen), confess that to God from within you. God knows you, whether or not anyone is sincere or not (Romans 8:15-16)
Thus gives freely the new life offered, Therefore, one anyone as we can see happened at the Gentile house, before any water Baptism was given.
The response was/ is thankfulness, the problem is man has taken this on as a work to get in. Not good for me, my Soul, I got water Baptized willingly, yet the first time I did this, it was for the wrong purpose to gain here from others and oh yes I did, wow is me now.
I see differently now, for God himself will not and does not forsake anyone in sincere belief to his love and mercy of Son given them, at least me
Believe sincerely, receive truth from Father, and begin new Eph 1:6,7,13

 

[studentoftheword]

There is no Sinners Prayer in the Bible --Folks ---the Sinners prayer is man made and will not save you --

AI Overview

Yes, the concept you're presenting is accurate according to many Christian teachings: simply saying a prayer for salvation without genuine faith is ineffective, as faith is the crucial element that leads to salvation, not the spoken words alone. Salvation is seen as a result of trusting in Jesus Christ and God's grace, a process that involves a sincere understanding and acceptance of the gospel message, rather than a superficial repetition of a prayer.

Why a Prayer Without Faith is Not Enough

• God looks at the heart:
  Sincere, heartfelt intention is required for a prayer to be meaningful. Simply repeating words is not the same as genuinely placing your trust in Jesus.
  
  
• Faith is the object of salvation:
  People are saved by believing and trusting in Jesus Christ, not through a magical or verbal formula.
  
  
• Prayer as a means to express faith:
  While a sincere prayer can be a way to express and receive faith in Jesus, it is the faith itself that saves, not the prayer.
  
  
• The Sinner's Prayer is not in the Bible:
  The concept of a specific "sinner's prayer" to be saved isn't found in the Bible; the Bible emphasizes the need for genuine belief and trust.
  

The Importance of Faith

• Grace through faith:
  Salvation is a gift from God received through faith, not through human effort or works.
  
  
• Repentance and receiving Jesus:
  True faith involves repenting (turning away from sin) and sincerely receiving Jesus as Lord and Savior.
  

In summary, a prayer offered without sincere belief is merely words. For it to be an expression of faith leading to salvation, the person must have a genuine, heartfelt trust in Jesus Chris

 

[homwardbound]

I see, this (Not really understanding it) God continues to ismply love us all. that is what got me, when I was in my teens. I asked from within me, why God, are you continuing to love me, I do not deserve it, to be Loved, I am not worthy

I heard, yes you are from my view and so are/is everyone else too. That is why my Son went in everyone's place first, to reconciled everyone unto me, as forgiven 100%, even if one, anyone sins again as you are seeing you have. I was floored, and then the changing my junk diapers began as real over when I was a baby in flesh
I see differently now, instead of trying to not do, I saw and see to trust God to work it out in me and through me. God has not stopped teaching me ever, even though people disgusted have and thrown me out
I see Okay now, thank you, anyone else, I see Phil 3 to not be self righteous at all, Love from God to all
Romans 7:6
But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
John 13:34
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as Ihave loved you, that ye also love one another.

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There is no law against such things. PHILLIPS. The Spirit however, produces in human life fruits such as these: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, ...

 

[homwardbound]

There is no Sinners Prayer in the Bible --Folks ---the Sinners prayer is man made and will not save you --

AI Overview

Yes, the concept you're presenting is accurate according to many Christian teachings: simply saying a prayer for salvation without genuine faith is ineffective, as faith is the crucial element that leads to salvation, not the spoken words alone. Salvation is seen as a result of trusting in Jesus Christ and God's grace, a process that involves a sincere understanding and acceptance of the gospel message, rather than a superficial repetition of a prayer.

Why a Prayer Without Faith is Not Enough

• God looks at the heart:
  Sincere, heartfelt intention is required for a prayer to be meaningful. Simply repeating words is not the same as genuinely placing your trust in Jesus.
  
  
• Faith is the object of salvation:
  People are saved by believing and trusting in Jesus Christ, not through a magical or verbal formula.
  
  
• Prayer as a means to express faith:
  While a sincere prayer can be a way to express and receive faith in Jesus, it is the faith itself that saves, not the prayer.
  
  
• The Sinner's Prayer is not in the Bible:
  The concept of a specific "sinner's prayer" to be saved isn't found in the Bible; the Bible emphasizes the need for genuine belief and trust.

The Importance of Faith

• Grace through faith:
  Salvation is a gift from God received through faith, not through human effort or works.
  
  
• Repentance and receiving Jesus:
  True faith involves repenting (turning away from sin) and sincerely receiving Jesus as Lord and Savior.

In summary, a prayer offered without sincere belief is merely words. For it to be an expression of faith leading to salvation, the person must have a genuine, heartfelt trust in Jesus Chris

He is risen, left one choice left, to believe God in risen Son or not
John 1:29, is done as said is in John 19:30 fro us to now choose to either believe God over self or anyone else, thank you

 

[presidente]

The title should say Baptism not Baptist. I caught that after it was too late, and the Internet wasn't loading to fix it.

 

[Hakawaka]

I read that the sinner's prayer ritual is about 70 years old. Billy Graham had people who responded to altar calls go back to prayer counselors in a separate room who would walk them through a booklet that explained the gospel, that had a prayer at the end designed to function as a confession of faith. Crusades grew, and he started having the masses repeat the prayer at the back of the booklet.

Jesus told a parable in which the publican who prayed, "Lord, have mercy on me a sinner" was justified, and Paul wrote about confessing Jesus as Lord and believing that God raised Him from the dead.

Over time, a lot of evangelicals dropped the parts about confessing oneself as a sinner and the cross and the resurrection and we see what we do today, and a lot of them think that repeating that prayer IS 'getting saved.'

But if I look in Acts 2, Peter preaches Jesus, the resurrected and ascended Christ, then when the people ask what they should do, he told them to repent and be baptized for the remission of sins. In Acts 10, when Gentiles believed and spoke in tongues and magnified God as the Spirit was poured out, Peter asked, who could forbid water and they were baptized. The Lord appeared in a vision to a man named Ananias and had him go to Saul of Tarsus. He said to arise and be baptized, and calling upon the name of the Lord to wash away his sin. Many Corinthians believed and were baptized. Paul baptized the Philippian jailer and his household, who had believed in Jesus. Paul also baptized Ephesians who had been familiar with John's baptism before he preached Christ to them and baptized.

If we consider what the Lord said to the eleven when sending them out, to make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, teaching them to obey all things whatsoever he had commanded them, then it makes sense that they prioritized baptism, since Jesus wanted that, even for the Gentiles.

Since the apostle's method was to baptize converts, why don't evangelicals follow apostolic example on this issue?

Because the evangelicals are not basing their faith on the words of Jesus but they are modern pharisees who invent manmade doctrines and call true Christians legalists.