Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Magenta]

"Free will" in the Bible? ~ Freedom is something believers are called to (Galatians 5 verse 13). We need Jesus to “set us free” (Galatians 5 verse 1). If Jesus has not freed us from the bondage of sin, then we are still slaves to sin (Romans 6 verses 6-7). Freedom is found in the presence of the Spirit (2 Corinthians 3 verse 17). Only Jesus can give us true freedom (John 8 verse 36). Only through His lovingkindness can we truly make choices unfettered by a nature that is inherently hostile toward God.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

dude I think your generalized summarizing of magenta is woefully wrong,

nope ... quite accurate ... click on the links in Post 10,671 and you will see that this issue has been ongoing for quite some time.

Magenta presents her artwork ... and I have nothing against the art in and of itself.

The issue I have ... and I have repeatedly pointed this out to Magenta ... is that verses are ripped from the context within which the Author of Scripture has placed them ... then the verses are conflated with other verses from other contexts ... and the whole is held up as some sort of proof text relating to something never intended by the Author of Scripture.

I'm not sure completely why you maje such an assertion.

I have gone through a couple of Magenta's panels and explained the context of the verses. Magenta ignores the context ... won't respond to what has been explained concerning the context ... and continues to conflate contexts of Scripture with other contexts of Scripture and then ... voila, Scripture is manipulated to state what the Author never intended ... God warns us about sleight of men and cunning craftiness ... God encourages us to mature spiritually so we are not led about with various winds of doctrine

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive

But I guess people don't like to hear how evil they can be

I am fully aware of the state of natural man ... but God also tells us that mankind can know both good and evil ... so when the good comes along, we can acknowledge that.

and tbh ... I have asked Magenta to consider what does God mean when He says man can know both good and evil? She's got evil down really, really, extremely well ... now what about the good?

Genesis 3:22a And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil ...

It can be taken personally but you shouldn't let it.

I don't take it personally ... I do consider the source ... and I believe the more of God's Word we know, the stronger we are ... but to deny what is written in Scripture ... turn a blind eye to what is written ... is not good ... when the Lord Jesus Christ was tempted by satan ... satan quoted Scripture but manipulated it ... the response of the Lord Jesus Christ was it is written ... He is our example and we should follow Him when it comes to what is written in Scripture.
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[Genez]

It's been truly over exhausted this thread.

All these passages of choose where once again it doesn't state you have free will, could be multiple times the lord is helping an individual to choose, by enabling his heart. Over multiple times in a period of time he was for-knowing a person.

The way I feel right now I may as well be banging my head against a brick wall.

But no matter, I'll remain patient in sharing my faith.

The fact that a person is even being asked to choose is something that would not have come upon your own free will if where free.

Why people refuse to see it's his life and his will I have no idea.

Surrender your heart to God.

Accept that the life you have in you is his and that your soul or other souls are lost, in need of saving which can't be done by there own will.

Why so much emphasis is put on the unsaved on how they can be saved is bordering on insanity as it's pointing towards how they can save themselves.

It's being made way to complicated.

Here is one verse about free will....

Definitely about choice!

Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge,
but whoever hates correction is stupid.

Proverbs 12:1

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[Jordon]

Here is one verse about free will....

Definitely about choice!

Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge,
but whoever hates correction is stupid.

Proverbs 12:1

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Yes sir even the choices he gives you are his choices from him To you by his will, which you only get given by his will.

It would be you that was stupid if you didn't recognise that. Or like so many here even acknowledge that.

But not only that sir he created you, he could have created mankind to be like the monkeys,

But he never sir he created you with intelligence, so start showing it sir.

Peace and grace to you

 

[cv5]

sir once again it's talking about his will, but not yours.

False.

[Jhn 7:17 NKJV] 17 "If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from God or [whether] I speak on My own [authority].

 

[Magenta]

The world cannot receive the Spirit of truth, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. The world does not recognize Him. No one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him. The one who loves God is known by God. If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. The mind that is set on the flesh is hostile toward God; it does not submit to God's law, nor can it. Whoever is not from God does not listen to us. from John 14 v 17, John 1 v 10, Matthew 11 v 27 & Luke 10 v 22, 1 Corinthians 8 v 3, Romans 8 v 9, 1 Corinthians 2 v 14, Romans 8 v 7, 1 John 4 v 6

 

[reneweddaybyday]

nope ...

Hebrews 6:13 For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself

... believers join in the New Covenant at the time they are born again ... not before ... not in some ethereal eternity past where somehow God had you hanging around waiting for your physical body ...
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[reneweddaybyday]

You refuse to deal with the Scriptures given, so there is no point continuing, especially since you are stuck onlogical fallacies. You have been taken captive by a vain self-exalting philosophy. And just a heads' up, yes, everyone is born with a sinful nature and is a sinner. Scripture says so. There are none righteous, no, not one! Not sure why I am telling you, though. Just more for you to pretend is not there. It's a general problem with heretics.

the only Scripturally accurate words in the above woven web are:

"everyone is born with a sinful nature and is a sinner"​

all the rest is fodder and can be let go ...

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

only hold to that which is Scriptural and forget the rest ...
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[Genez]

Yes sir even the choices he gives you are his choices from him To you by his will, which you only get given by his will.

It would be you that was stupid if you didn't recognise that. Or like so many here even acknowledge that.

But not only that sir he created you, he could have created mankind to be like the monkeys,

But he never sir he created you with intelligence, so start showing it sir.

Peace and grace to you

What are you saying?

Give me an example of what you see would be free will, that you think "free willers" see it as?

 

[Jordon]

nope ... quite accurate ... click on the links in Post 10,671 and you will see that this issue has been ongoing for quite some time.

Magenta presents her artwork ... and I have nothing against the art in and of itself.

The issue I have ... and I have repeatedly pointed this out to Magenta ... is that verses are ripped from the context within which the Author of Scripture has placed them ... then the verses are conflated with other verses from other contexts ... and the whole is held up as some sort of proof text relating to something never intended by the Author of Scripture.





I have gone through a couple of Magenta's panels and explained the context of the verses. Magenta ignores the context ... won't respond to what has been explained concerning the context ... and continues to conflate contexts of Scripture with other contexts of Scripture and then ... voila, Scripture is manipulated to state what the Author never intended ... God warns us about sleight of men and cunning craftiness ... God encourages us to mature spiritually so we are not led about with various winds of doctrine

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive





I am fully aware of the state of natural man ... but God also tells us that mankind can know both good and evil ... so when the good comes along, we can acknowledge that.

and tbh ... I have asked Magenta to consider what does God mean when He says man can know both good and evil? She's got evil down really, really, extremely well ... now what about the good?

Genesis 3:22a And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil ...





I don't take it personally ... I do consider the source ... and I believe the more of God's Word we know, the stronger we are ... but to deny what is written in Scripture ... turn a blind eye to what is written ... is not good ... when the Lord Jesus Christ was tempted by satan ... satan quoted Scripture but manipulated it ... the response of the Lord Jesus Christ was it is written ... He is our example and we should follow Him when it comes to what is written in Scripture.
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I see your a lady sorry for the dude comment, I had a feeling you where that's why I've just checked your profile,

No worries I'll leave you two ladies to settle your differences, and different beliefs.

By the looks if things you've both been at odds ends with each for quite some time.

I can see where in disagreement, but so far there hasn't been any remarks, between you and I personally, I would like to keep that way.

Obviously friends can still give each other remarks and still be friends, so all is not lost.

It is written that man should not live by bread alone but every word of God,

A word that belongs to God that is his for us to share,

Your both mature in Christ from what I can see so I'm sure you can still be friends

 

[Jordon]

What are you saying?

Give me an example of what you see would be free will, that you think "free willers" see it as?

you've lost me, I don't believe free will has any part of man's nature in his fallen state, there bound to sin.

The only will that is free is his,

And the only time we are allowed to use it when we are doing his will under his guidance.

The lord directs my steps. I don't do it myself.

And no I'm not a robot I need a renewed mind everyday that only the lord can renew everyday by the choices given to me by his will

 

[Genez]

you've lost me, I don't believe free will has any part of man's nature in his fallen state, there bound to sin.

That is correct!

What you are failing at is seeing how man is constructed with soul and body, and that it is the fallen body that enslaves the soul.

 

[lrs68]

sir once again it's talking about his will, but not yours.

In fact sir every choice your giving is from his will.

That has come upon you in the first place

Understand this sir, the Father broke through the darkness and entered into your heart without your permission to give you that choice in the first place, would that happen if your will was free sir


Why sir ?

It's his life sir

His will sir

Not your will sir

Not your life sir


His life that is stolen.

His life he wants back that has been bought for a price sir.

Lol it's Jesus talking about verifying that His words are true connected to anyone willing to do the Will of God.

The fact you believe this is Jesus talking about His Will doing God's Will is all i need to understand why you're so easily duped by the false doctrine behind the Reformed platform.

You made my day literally.

Good luck

Talk about Blind Guides

 

[Jordon]

False.

[Jhn 7:17 NKJV] 17 "If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from God or [whether] I speak on My own [authority].

how can you leave out it is his will.

Honestly you can only do his will under his guidance.

You wouldn't even get the chance to do his will without him leading you.

I can do nothing without the lord

The lord directs my steps

His sheep here his voice and they follow.

Nope there not robots there his children who want to follow after hearing his voice.

Yep sausage this is all true

Bye for now sausage

 

[Jordon]

Lol it's Jesus talking about verifying that His words are true connected to anyone willing to do the Will of God.

The fact you believe this is Jesus talking about His Will doing God's Will is all i need to understand why you're so easily duped by the false doctrine behind the Reformed platform.

You made my day literally.

Good luck

Talk about Blind Guides

another nice dodge, Mr fudge cake.

Do you like jammy Dodgers.

 

[Jordon]

That is correct!

What you are failing at is seeing how man is constructed with soul and body, and that it is the fallen body that enslaves the soul.

am I, well ok it's a Shame that I am if I am I guess, ok well back this up with scripture please.

 

[cv5]

the only Scripturally accurate words in the above woven web are:

"everyone is born with a sinful nature and is a sinner"​

all the rest is fodder and can be let go ...

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

only hold to that which is Scriptural and forget the rest ...
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all the rest is fodder and can be let go ...

Truly, an endless heap of fodder worthy of Solomon's stables.

The term cringeworthy comes to mind.

 

[Jordon]

all the rest is fodder and can be let go ...

Truly, an endless heap of fodder worthy of Solomon's stables.

The term cringeworthy comes to mind.

that cringe is probably a bad spirit close by putting these dwarfed ideas on your head

 

[Jordon]

Honestly where suppose to act like Jesus, Jesus Christ declares I can do nothing without the father, without hearing from him, or seeing what the father does

This is all about God's authority that we have but only under his guidance.

This is Jesus the son telling us he can't do the will of father without hearing from him, Jesus being the earthly man also ,.and the man where suppose to be like.

But this is the man that where suppose to behave like also in our saved condition that is to discern the spiritual things of heaven.

It's most important we recognise that any will we do comes from his will

 

[Magenta]

By the looks if things you've both been at odds ends with each for quite some time.

I think I told you I have a number of untrustworthy people on ignore?

So this thing you have said, at odds for quite some time? No. Perhaps she continues to lie about me and
falsely accuse me of things as she has done from the time she entered this thread not too very long ago,
but for those very same reasons, I do not engage. I am not interested in such exchanges.