Why God the Father considered this fruit as forbidden?

[posthuman]

From what I make of the incident, Eve was immune to the effects of the
forbidden fruit. In point of fact had she never tasted the fruit Eve would've
eventually died anyway

so you're saying death is what God calls "very good" and that she was lying when she told God Satan had deceived her?

 

[Dino246]

From what I make of the incident, Eve was immune to the effects of the
forbidden fruit. In point of fact had she never tasted the fruit Eve would've
eventually died anyway

Well... I guess we can dismiss your view of Scripture as simply unscriptural.

 

[Webers.Home]

But Jesus was in the garden.

No doubt the Word was in the garden because John 1:1-3 says the Word
was with God from the very beginning. But I seriously doubt the Word's
incarnation was in the garden.

As the Word's alter ego, the Word's incarnation of course did many things
when he was with the Word as the Word, which has me curious about
something.

I read somewhere in science literature (possibly National Geographic,
Discover, Scientific American, and/or Smithsonian, etc) that the human mind
doesn't have unlimited capacity. When it gets too full of data, it has to begin
deleting some of its old memories to create space for new ones.

As an authentic human being with an authentic human mind, I can't help but
wonder whether the Word's incarnation remembers very much of his past
experiences in the dateless past when he was with the Word as the Word.
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[Webers.Home]

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POSIT: Rom 5:12 is wrong because Ezek 18:20 says:

"The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of
the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of
the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked
will be charged against him." (cf. Deut 24:16)

And Deut 24:16 says:

"The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the
children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for
his own sin."

REPLY: The secret to this is simply timing. According to Deut 5:2-3 and Gal
3:17, the laws of God-- especially His codified rules and regulations --are not
enforced ex post facto, i.e. they aren't retroactive.
_

 

[Webers.Home]

so you're saying death is what God calls very good and that she was lying when she told God
Satan had deceived her?

No.
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[posthuman]

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POSIT: Rom 5:12 is wrong because Ezek 18:20 says:

"The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of
the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of
the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked
will be charged against him." (cf. Deut 24:16)

And Deut 24:16 says:

"The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the
children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for
his own sin."

REPLY: The secret to this is simply timing. According to Deut 5:2-3 and Gal
3:17, the laws of God-- especially His codified rules and regulations --are not
enforced ex post facto, i.e. they aren't retroactive.
_

well friend, Romans 5 concerns the state of mankind from the beginning of creation. it isn't positting a 'new' law

 

[posthuman]

No.
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then you have not thought through what you said.

if Woman was created in order to die, whether she sinned or not, then God is the author of death, and He called it very good.

if the serpent wasn't lying when he convinced the woman sin wouldn't bring about her death, then God was lying and she was wrong not to believe Satan.

fact is death entered the world through sin, not through the perfect will of God. prior to Genesis 3 there was no physical death or corruption on earth.

 

[tourist]

the fig tree is the only thing Christ cursed.

Fig Newton's are good though. Occasionally. Baked by Nabisco.

 

[tourist]

From what I make of the incident, Eve was immune to the effects of the
forbidden fruit. In point of fact had she never tasted the fruit Eve would've
eventually died anyway because according to Rom 5:12-21 it was God's will
and purpose that if sin and death were to come into the world, they would
do so by the actions of one man working solo just as righteous and life
came into the world by the actions of one man working solo. In other words;
Eve was collateral damage the same as all the rest of Adam's posterity.

BTW: It's commonly believed among conventional Christians that the effects
of the original sin are transferred from generation to generation by means of
heredity. But Eve was fully constructed with material taken from Adam's
body prior to his tasting the forbidden fruit so it was impossible for him to
transfer the effects of the original sin to her by means of heredity.

According to Rom 5:12-21 everybody became collateral damage in the
incident all at once instead of each in his own time, viz: it appears to me
that we were all marked for death before we were even born and regardless
of whether we would ever do anything either good or bad.
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The Lord said to both Adam and Eve that if they eat of the forbidden fruit they would die that day. Had she not eaten of it than she would not have died. Also, had she not eaten it she would not be of the frame of mind to allow her husband to eat it too.

 

[posthuman]

When Adam & Eve ate the fruit, God the Father confirmed what the serpent said.
GENESIS 3:22
22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

no

God didn't say this "when they ate the fruit" nor of them both, like Satan did

God said this of Adam when he heard the gospel and changed his wife's name.
((i.e. believed in his heart and confessed with his mouth))

Satan said sin makes you like God.
God said faith is godliness.

should be obvious Who is right, but many get this wrong.

 

[posthuman]

As we noticed Adam & Eve did not die when they eat the forbidden fruit.

In the eyes of Man they did not die.

But in the eyes of God Adam & Eve died on the day they eat the fruit.

what God literally told them is "dying, you shall die"

the process of decay leading to inevitable death began the moment Woman ate, and later, also when Adam ate.

 

[Edward429451]

Since God the Father is Speaking in Parables.
We must beg to him and ask for his Mercy so he will reveal the meaning of Dead. Because he said in Isaiah his thoughts is different from our thoughts.

Ok. I did. What He said was that death is connected to love in an obscure way and we had to be introduced to death so that we could more fully comprehend Life and Love. We can't learn about Love unless we are given free will. .../

I don't fully understand what He said but I'm still chewing on it.

 

[Edward429451]

Satan said sin makes you like God.
God said faith is godliness.

We didn't need the knowledge of good and evil. Look what we have done with it!

Next time we should simply trust Him and have faith in Him.

 

[posthuman]

We didn't need the knowledge of good and evil. Look what we have done with it!

Next time we should simply trust Him and have faith in Him.

Galatians 3:22​

But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.​

​

​

 

[Webers.Home]

then you have not thought through what you said. if Woman was created in order to die, whether
she sinned or not, then God is the author of death, and He called it very good. if the serpent
wasn't lying when he convinced the woman sin wouldn't bring about her death, then God was
lying and she was wrong not to believe Satan. Fact is death entered the world through sin, not
through the perfect will of God. prior to Genesis 3 there was no physical death or corruption on
earth.

Our failure to communicate on this issue is so extensive that it leads me to
suspect there has been some paranormal activity hereabouts that we have
thus far been unaware.
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[Dino246]

POSIT: Rom 5:12 is wrong

Any post that begins with such a statement can be dismissed as incorrect, because Scripture is never incorrect.

The problem is always human understanding, and in this case, your understanding.

because Ezek 18:20 says:

"The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him." (cf. Deut 24:16)

Note that Romans 5:8 does not say, "Sin entered every man" or anything like that; it says, "just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, in this way death came to all men, because all sinned."

It does not say that all men are held accountable for Adam's sin. It says that death entered through sin AND that all sinned.

Romans 3:10 and 23 make this abundantly clear:

10 "There is no one righteous, not even one."
23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"

 

[posthuman]

Our failure to communicate on this issue is so extensive that it leads me to
suspect there has been some paranormal activity hereabouts that we have
thus far been unaware.
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Salvation is supernatural

 

[Godsgood]

In this scenario perhaps you have noticed that the Serpent doesn't believe that God the Father is Speaking in Parables.
Serpent belief that God the Father is Speaking clearly as what Man's understanding.

When the warning of God reached to the knowledge of the Serpent (Genesis 2:17). He opposed the warning of God the Father (Genesis 3:4-5). Because the serpent belief that God the Father is not Speaking in Parables. That is why he said "You Shall not Surely Die". The Serpent understanding to a dead people are those found in Morgue & Cemetery too.

The Serpent belief that God the Father is Speaking very clear and not Speaking in Parables.

In the times of Our Lord Jesus, despite Scribes and Pharisees were preaching the words of God to the Jews. Even they claimed that their God is God the Father (John 8:41).
But since they can't identify or they don't know who God the Father is, with that they believe that Our Lord Jesus is Speaking very clear and not Speaking in Parables.
JOHN 2:19-20
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

Because they don't believe that Our Lor Jesus is Speaking in Parables (Mark 4:34)

Our Lord Jesus called them Liars, Murderers and Sons of the Serpent.
JOHN 8:44
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

 

[posthuman]

Our failure to communicate on this issue is so extensive that it leads me to
suspect there has been some paranormal activity hereabouts that we have
thus far been unaware.
_

there are key truths about Genesis 3 that your musings seem to run up against:

• there is no death before sin entered the world, and sin entered through Adam even tho Woman was first in sin (Romans 5:12)
• Adam was not deceived, not by Satan, not by his wife, not by anyone (1 Timothy 2:14)
• God did not say eating from the tree made them like Him - Satan did. Satan is a liar. God said this only of Adam, and in this sequence:
  • they both confess their sin
  • God preaches the gospel to them, saying the seed of Woman will crush the seed of the serpent
  • Adam changes her name to Eve
  • God sheds innocent blood and covers them
  • God says Adam is become like Him
• they know the difference between right and wrong innately before eating.
• Neither of them are cursed.
• There is zero indication in the text they had any need of healing before they sinned, or ever ate of the tree of life.
• Everything God does for them is for their good, including their judgement and including guarding ((Hebrew - "to keep")) the way to the tree of life.
• Adam is a figure of Christ (Romans 5:14)

 

[posthuman]

they know the difference between right and wrong innately before eating.

this point seems to be completely missed by a lot of people, who think that eating from the tree of dying-you-shall-die gave them the basic knowledge of right vs. wrong, so let me point out a couple of things that should make it clear.

when the serpent approached Woman to murder her, she replied to him that God had said they must not eat, or they would die.
therefore:

• she knows death is not good
• she knows that life is good
• she knows that disbelieving and disobeying God is not good
• she knows that believing and obeying God is good

then he tells her God is a liar and withholding goodness from her

• she knows that being like God is good
• she knows that not being like God is not good
• she knows that withholding goodness when it is in your hand to give it, is evil
• she knows doing good to others is good
• she knows that truth is good
• she knows that lies are evil

we could dive deeper and deeper into analysis of their conversation, but right at the first cursory examination of how he is trying to entrap her, it is obvious that she has a sense of right and wrong, good and evil.

even the first command to Adam from God, to tend the garden, or his choosing of names for every living creature, indicates he has a sense of right and wrong - - how else does he know whether he should pay any attention to what God says, unless He knows that God is good, and how else can he make choices about what to call other souls, unless he can make determination between a right and fitting name vs a wrong and unfit name?