Why God the Father considered this fruit as forbidden?

[posthuman]

It can be a symbol as far as shedding, but only his blood could be a sacrifice, no other blood. The fig tree is a symbol of the condition of Israel as a whole, and their judgment to come. Adam and Eve tried to cover their sin with fig leaves, a symbol of man covering their sin by their own works.

figs have.. not very big leaves. not the first thing you're going to go for if you're trying to make a skirt and you have every kind of tree available.

so, why figs?

they hid because of their shame, but the girdles weren't necessarily an effort to hide that shame - otherwise why also hide themselves?

if the fruit was the fig, then they covered themselves with the emblem of their shame

if Adam found Woman at the tree, and they then together did this, then the leaves were right there, and they both knew she had been deceived.

they didn't hide until they heard God approaching, and feared - and when they spoke to Him, they were repentant and confessed their sin.

i think one reason they didn't eat from the tree of life is because they knew they didn't deserve life, and another is that Adam at least, perhaps both of them, were wise enough to know that eating from it in their sin-dead condition would result in judgement. a bad idea. God kept them from it for a reason, for their good, until Messiah should come - - we cannot approach God without His propitiation, or we will die - just as the priest in the temple could not enter without washings and cleansing with blood, and could not be unclean in any way.

 

[Webers.Home]

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● Gen 3:22-23 . . And the Lord God said: The man has now become like one of us,
knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also
from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.

The tree of life was a handy remedy for treating just about any condition including
mortality, but it would not, nor could it, restore Adam's innocence.

The thing is: when Adam tasted the forbidden fruit, he became a tin God-- a
humanistic deity with opinions of his own relative to good and evil. In other words:
Adam became his own guiding light. Had he been allowed access to the tree of life,
Adam's tin-God condition would've become his norm forever.

Mortality then, is a blessing in disguise because it gave Adam a means to escape
his tin-God condition and, I don't know whether he thought of it, but mortality also
gave him an opportunity to start over and get it right the next time.

* From what I understand; the "next time" pertains to the birth that Jesus spoke of at
John 3:3-8 whereby folks are guaranteed to get it right. (cf. 2Pet 1:3-4)
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[posthuman]

No fur?

wool...

 

[posthuman]

I don't know whether he thought of it, but mortality also
gave him an opportunity to start over and get it right the next time.

i am sure he absolutely did understand, and believe the gospel - - therefore he named his dying wife mother of life, that is, he changed Woman's name to Eve.

it was when he had done this that God said behold! Adam has become like one of Us. not before.

it was Satan who, deceiving Woman, said that eating from the tree of death ((committing sin)) would make her like God. i don't believe Satan was telling the truth.

 

[posthuman]

From what I understand; the "next time" pertains to the birth that Jesus spoke of at
John 3:3-8 whereby folks are guaranteed to get it right. (cf. 2Pet 1:3-4)
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amen

 

[Cameron143]

wool...

Can't have chafing.

 

[Magenta]

i am sure he absolutely did understand, and believe the gospel - - therefore he named his dying wife mother of life, that is, he changed Woman's name to Eve.

it was when he had done this that God said behold! Adam has become like one of Us. not before.

it was Satan who, deceiving Woman, said that eating from the tree of death ((committing sin)) would make her like God. i don't believe Satan was telling the truth.

God agreed with the assessment that they (Adam and Eve) had become like Him in knowing good and evil after
eating from the forbidden tree, so that was not the lie Satan told. The lie at the heart of the fall of man and
corruption of all creation is, however and quite unfortunately, being repeated to this very day: thou shalt not surely die.

 

[posthuman]

God agreed with the assessment that they (Adam and Eve) had become like Him in knowing good and evil after
eating from the forbidden tree, so that was not the lie Satan told. The lie at the heart of the fall of man and
corruption of all creation is, however and quite unfortunately, being repeated to this very day: thou shalt not surely die.

in Genesis 3:22 He says "behold!! Ha-Adam has become... " - - which is singular and particular, exactly the same as Adam's name.

adam without the ha- would be 'man' but still singular, and could be interpreted as mankind ((singular)), but the text is in my opinion better translated as "Adam" particularly since He did not say this when their conversation began ((which would indicate eating the fruit, as Satan had said, would make them like God)), but not until Adam changed his wife's name - while Eve stood by without having done anything after confessing her sin and declaring Satan to be a liar.

changing her name upon hearing the gospel elicited two reactions from God - He covered them and declared that Adam Had become like one of "Us"

 

[Magenta]

in Genesis 3:22 He says "behold!! Ha-Adam has become... " - - which is singular and particular, exactly the same as Adam's name.

adam without the ha- would be 'man' but still singular, and could be interpreted as mankind ((singular)), but the text is in my opinion better translated as "Adam" particularly since He did not say this when their conversation began ((which would indicate eating the fruit, as Satan had said, would make them like God)), but not until Adam changed his wife's name - while Eve stood by without having done anything after confessing her sin and declaring Satan to be a liar.

changing her name upon hearing the gospel elicited two reactions from God - He covered them and declared that Adam Had become like one of "Us"

And the lie was still, thou shalt surely not die.

 

[posthuman]

And the lie was still, thou shalt surely not die.

exactly as THE Lie is in Exodus 17, when the children said, You brought us into the wilderness, only to kill us, our children and our animals, so Moses & Aaron conspired to strike the rock, wanting to die rather than deal with them anymore

yes

 

[posthuman]

And the lie was still, thou shalt surely not die.

exactly

eventually we will both agree on the details but we've always agreed on the important parts, purple sister

 

[posthuman]

wanting to die rather than deal with them anymore

.. and Adam listened to the voice of his dying wife, so ate also,

and Christ gave Himself for us


the Bible is a love story

 

[Magenta]

.. and Adam listened to the voice of his dying wife, so ate also,

and Christ gave Himself for us

the Bible is a love story

Praise the Lord for He is good His love endures forever

 

[Webers.Home]

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In the book of Job, God and the Devil worked together behind the scenes to
destroy Job's life.

That got me to thinking if maybe something similar went on behind the
scenes during the forbidden fruit incident because God could've stepped in
at any time and easily prevented the affair from going south like it did.

And there's this:

● Gen 3:22 . . And the Lord God said: The man has now become like one of
us, knowing good and evil.

As far back as I can remember, there has always been debate relative to the
identity of the antecedents of the plural pronoun "us". Well, it appears to me
that at least one of them is the authentic God who created the cosmos-- all
of its life, matter, and energy. And another of the antecedents just might be
the Serpent-- a.k.a. the Devil and Satan (Rev 12:9 & Rev 20:2) --the god of
this world.
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[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

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And there's this:

● Gen 3:22 . . And the Lord God said: The man has now become like one of
us, knowing good and evil.

As far back as I can remember, there has always been debate relative to the
identity of the antecedents of the plural pronoun "us". Well, it appears to me
that at least one of them is the authentic God who created the cosmos-- all
of its life, matter, and energy. And another of the antecedents just might be
the Serpent-- a.k.a. the Devil and Satan (Rev 12:9 & Rev 20:2) --the god of
this world.
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I always thought God the Father was referring to Himself, the Lord Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. But yeah, I agree with you, that He could be referring to satan too.

 

[Godsgood]

I'm saying that it had to be spiritual death because Adam did not die the same day in the flesh.

Why wouldn't it be spiritual death?

Didn't they lose their relationship with God? Did God continue walking and talking with them in the cool of the evening after they fell? No because they lost their relationship in the fall.

Dying in the flesh had nothing to do with it except that they were now subject to death in the flesh under the curse.

God the Father is really speaking in Parables (Psalms 78:2 & Ezekiel 20:49)

 

[Godsgood]

With regards to the result after eating the forbidden fruit.

Who is telling the Truth?

God the Father said: The day you eat the fruit you will surely die.
GENESIS 2:17
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

But the Serpent said: You will not die. When you eat the fruit your eyes shall be opened and you shall be as gods.
GENESIS 3:4-5
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

When Adam & Eve ate the fruit, God the Father confirmed what the serpent said.
GENESIS 3:22
22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

 

[Dino246]

God the Father is really speaking in Parables (Psalms 78:2 & Ezekiel 20:49)

Why do you persist in this error?

 

[Edward429451]

God the Father is really speaking in Parables (Psalms 78:2 & Ezekiel 20:49)

So God saying that they will die the day they eat that fruit...is a parable?

So are you really saying that you just don't understand what that means so it must be a parable?

?? Do you understand the spirit/soul/body relationship within yourself? ??

The man in the mirror is not you. The real you in an unseen fellow which is inside of the man in the mirror. It obviously isn't talking about dying in the flesh body the same day, because they didn't die in the flesh that day. So if the Lord did not mean in the flesh, then what's left? Spiritual.

Do you have a hard time believing in the unseen spiritual world?

2 Corinthians 4:18
18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal..../KJV

2 Corinthians 5:6-8
6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:

7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight

8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord..../KJV

So we are instructed to look to the unseen and walk in faith. Even today's scientists say that what we can see is only 10% of what's there. Dark Matter they call it. So you better believe in the unseen. Our body is merely our house that we stay in and habitate. You've heard of spirit possession, evil spirits and all that? Understand that you are a spirit possessing the body that you reside in.

In verse 8 above, the term house was translated from the Greek word,

G3613 oikētḗrion, oy-kay-tay'-ree-on; neuter of a presumed derivative of G3611 (equivalent to G3612); a residence (literally or figuratively):—habitation, house.

οἰκητήριον, ὀικητηριου, τό (οἰκητήρ), a dwelling-place, habitation: Jude 1:6; of the body as the dwelling-place of the spirit, 2 Corinthians 5:2 (2 Macc. 11:2;.../https:/ 3Macc. 2:15; (Josephus, contra Apion 1, 20, 7); Euripides, Plutarch, Cebes () tab. 17) https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g3613/kjv/tr/0-1/

 

[Godsgood]

So God saying that they will die the day they eat that fruit...is a parable?

So are you really saying that you just don't understand what that means so it must be a parable?

?? Do you understand the spirit/soul/body relationship within yourself? ??

The man in the mirror is not you. The real you in an unseen fellow which is inside of the man in the mirror. It obviously isn't talking about dying in the flesh body the same day, because they didn't die in the flesh that day. So if the Lord did not mean in the flesh, then what's left? Spiritual.

Do you have a hard time believing in the unseen spiritual world?

2 Corinthians 4:18
18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal..../KJV

2 Corinthians 5:6-8
6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:

7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight

8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord..../KJV

So we are instructed to look to the unseen and walk in faith. Even today's scientists say that what we can see is only 10% of what's there. Dark Matter they call it. So you better believe in the unseen. Our body is merely our house that we stay in and habitate. You've heard of spirit possession, evil spirits and all that? Understand that you are a spirit possessing the body that you reside in.

In verse 8 above, the term house was translated from the Greek word,

G3613 oikētḗrion, oy-kay-tay'-ree-on; neuter of a presumed derivative of G3611 (equivalent to G3612); a residence (literally or figuratively):—habitation, house.

οἰκητήριον, ὀικητηριου, τό (οἰκητήρ), a dwelling-place, habitation: Jude 1:6; of the body as the dwelling-place of the spirit, 2 Corinthians 5:2 (2 Macc. 11:2;.../https:/ 3Macc. 2:15; (Josephus, contra Apion 1, 20, 7); Euripides, Plutarch, Cebes () tab. 17) https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g3613/kjv/tr/0-1/

As we noticed Adam & Eve did not die when they eat the forbidden fruit.

In the eyes of Man they did not die.

But in the eyes of God Adam & Eve died on the day they eat the fruit.

ISAIAH 55:8-9
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

In our own understanding, dead people are those found in morgue and in cemetery.

Since God the Father is Speaking in Parables.
We must beg to him and ask for his Mercy so he will reveal the meaning of Dead. Because he said in Isaiah his thoughts is different from our thoughts.

If we want to learn from him, we should be like a pupil and he is the teacher.