Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[rogerg]

You are welcome, Roger. Yes, dozens of properly harmonized verses ignored, contradicted, and outright denied on a regular basis by a number of posters here... and/or we are told they are taken out of context as if a universal axiom can be, such as there are none good. Just another something they deny to uphold their Pelagian error. They like to rewrite the Scriptures also as I have seen them do with that axiom, telling us Jesus said only those who CHOOSE to sin are slaves to sin when He did not say that at all. We were further told only atheists choose to sin. How ridiculous is that??? 1 Cor 2:14 is another one that also gets rewritten often by these heretics also. They just cannot accept what is written and then serve up one verse and want us to accept their whole false doctrine around it.

Totally agree and given they are unable to comprehend what we've already informed them of which are foundational, then whatever else we might say on top of that, will also be lost on them; that is, if the basics aren't understood, then moving beyond will not help.
Heb 5:12 kind of reminds me of them.

[Heb 5:12 KJV]
12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which [be] the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

 

[rogerg]

OK? Fine!

I am still glad God saved you, you worthless piece of s_*t.

You are totally unworthy of anything good!
A proverbial, worthless piece of s_*t.

I just thought I would put some meat on those bones, so you can see what the skeleton you bow down to is really like!

Guess what?
I repented!

I looked in my toilet today before flushing.
I chose one to adopt as a son.

... daddy!

Calvinism does have a few problems.......

Yes, thank you, and to you too. Glad to see you're finally getting the idea of what natural man is worth.

 

[cv5]

I do not think any counterpoint/rebuttal to this exegesis is forthcoming, probably because it is not really possible.

But it would be interesting to see someone try.

About as interesting as watching America's Funniest Home Video's reruns lol.

 

[Rufus]

It's the context, señor!
Stick with the context!

Don't time travel in such matters.

Jesus came to his own people.
Yet, fully knowing that later on he will expand.

It is in context -- in the largest context of all scripture. Yes, Jesus came to the Jews but God never intended to save only the Jews! He promised Abraham that He would make him the Father of many [Gentile] nations. Therefore, Jesus did not come to save only the Jews but all of Abraham's true spiritual descendants who consist of faithful Jews and Gentiles alike. And besides, MOST Jews are NOT Abraham's spiritual descendants, for your info.

 

[Magenta]

I do not think any counterpoint/rebuttal to this exegesis is forthcoming, probably because it is not really possible.

But it would be interesting to see someone try.

Already done. Acts 13:48 When the Gentiles heard this, they rejoiced and glorified the word
of the Lord, and all who were appointed for eternal life believed.

Of course you hate such verses. Election is just another one of those Biblical principles you despise, mock, and scorn.

 

[Genez]

Apparently you soulmate Studier didn't.

And did my coconuts that I threw out of my window knock ya in ya noggin' and get ya all disoriented more than usual? If so, go find a safe space for yourself and hide under a rock. And I promise to pray for the poor rock...

I see?
Saint Rufus!
Mr. love your neighbor as you love yourself. Rufus style!

Just keep throwing those coconuts out the window!
And run downstairs real fast, and outside.
Then look up!

This is not the hood, sir.
Take your deeply carnal, hateful thinking somewhere else, please.

If this were a church?
There would be a restraining order out on you.

 

[cv5]

Apparently you soulmate Studier didn't.

And did my coconuts that I threw out of my window knock ya in ya noggin' and get ya all disoriented more than usual? If so, go find a safe space for yourself and hide under a rock. And I promise to pray for the poor rock...

If coconuts were sound exegesis, you would not last a week on a deserted tropical island.

 

[rogerg]

I do not think any counterpoint/rebuttal to this exegesis is forthcoming, probably because it is not really possible.

But it would be interesting to see someone try.

It's already been provided by several of us. Guess you missed it.

 

[BillyBob]

Lol....even the Calvinists know that these kinds of statements are just blowing smoke. Nor do they actually believe them.

Can you some how make the Lol in all your posts link to the sound of your laughing? If so, that would be great!

 

[Rufus]

So obvious. How could any rational person misconstrue?

So how do you ignore the very obvious that there is zero biblical evidence that Adam ever came to faith? I suppose "rational" isn't your personal forte?

 

[Magenta]

Understood.

I'm not saying I agree with @Cameron143 choice of discussions methods although as I've said to him, all the ists and isms are wearying and are just convenient or overly so.

With that said, his 3 out of 5 (so far) TULIP doctrines (as I recall) being the same or very similar are what they are.

For my part, I'd rather get down to it and see things like @rogerg assert salvation > belief in the face of Scripture that clearly says the opposite.

Should we star calling you a Roman Catholic because you agree with some of what they teach?

 

[Genez]

Yes, thank you, and to you too. Glad to see you're finally getting the idea of what natural man is worth.

New bumper sticker for your car?

[God saves S*&t]
First Calvinist Church of Omaha.
Services 10 AM every Monday.​

 

[Rufus]

One poster told me that God casting individuals into the Lake of Fire was a demonstration of His love towards those individuals.

That had to have been either CV5 or Genez who compete against one another to see how low they can go by twisting God's Word. They don't know that God only loves (in the familial, covenant sense) the righteous (Ps 146:8).

 

[rogerg]

New bumper sticker for your car?

[God saves S*&t]
First Calvinist Church of Omaha.
Services 10 AM every Monday.​

Yup, for both of us.

 

[BillyBob]

Should we star calling you a Roman Catholic because you agree with some of what they teach?

I have also been told that I am a Calvinist, even though I have never studied his work. To be honest, I have never read his writings, but perhaps I should.
I think that The "Five Solas", which came from the Protestant Reformation would best expresses my belief. There is nothing wrong with using a theological statement of faith to express what you also hold to be true.

 

[rogerg]

I have also been told that I am a Calvinist, even though I have never studied his work. To be honest, I have never read his writings, but perhaps I should.
I think that The "Five Solas", which came from the Protestant Reformation would best expresses my belief. There is nothing wrong with using a theological statement of faith to express what you also hold to be true.

Me too.

 

[Rufus]

"Because God loves us and not anyone else. Rot in hell all of you who are born hopelessly blind faithless depraved sinners. And don't forget to give up all hope in seeking God's face. For this is impossible. As is understanding and receiving the gospel message and the savation offered by Christ, as it is limited in scope to us the pre-birth lottery elect and not anyone else."

And no I definitely do not agree with one word of the foregoing.

Neither do any of the Reformed-leaning folks here buy into your stupid straw men. See...we finally agree on something!

 

[Magenta]

I have also been told that I am a Calvinist, even though I have never studied his work.
To be honest, I have never read his writings, but perhaps I should.
I think that The "Five Solas", which came from the Protestant Reformation would best expresses my belief.
There is nothing wrong with using a theological statement of faith to express what you also hold to be true.

They call people who believe what the Bible says a Calvinist as if what they hate about what the Bible teaches is exclusively taught in Calvinism. The fact that the things they hate most about Calvinism (total depravity, election) are not exclusively taught in Calvinism is just another reason for us to recognize the fact that they regularly refuse correction, since accepting that election and depravity are not exclusive to Calvinism would disarm one of their favorite pejoratives. They do not care to be educated as much as they do not care to change their erroneous views no matter how wrong they are. Oh! I was thinking of the 5 Solas the other day, also...

 

[BillyBob]

New bumper sticker for your car?

[God saves S*&t]
First Calvinist Church of Omaha.
Services 10 AM every Monday.​

Sometimes I find your posts enjoyable to read, other times I find them disgusting.....

 

[Rufus]

Then men can not be *totally* depraved to begin with.

If it were 'total?'
There would be NOTHING to save!

Death is total, absolute and would be forever if God didn't have the power to raise the dead, in which case there would be NOTHING to save.