Two Natures???

[Mem]

pitting it more clearly,

given that we know Who He is was there ever a chance He would fail?

if yes, then tempted.
if no then tested.

in either case, found immaculate

That Jesus thought for a second about His own (the Son of Man's) will is the closest example I can think of to His being 'tempted' to do anything other than His Father's will. Except that, even while expressing His own will, He said, "Nevertheless...Not My will but Yours be done." And in that, He was proven faithful that God's will works everything for good to those that love Him, and even that in itself proved that His will was to do Father's will, and as proving that They Are One.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The Topical Lexicon on the word has a section that offers the following explanation:

Divine Testing versus Satanic Temptation

Peirazō may describe either God’s righteous proving or Satan’s destructive solicitation. Distinction rests on motive and outcome:

• God’s tests aim at refinement, trust, and reward.
• Satan’s temptations aim at doubt, disobedience, and death.

Believers discern the difference by measuring every pressure against God’s revealed will.

And Matthew 16:1 shows an example of Satanic temptation.
King James Bible
The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven.

You don't think that Jesus thought a minute about showing them a sign before He said, "You will be given no sign..."?

Satanic temptation ?


“Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭4:1‬ ‭

i really have no interest in changing the word I’m okay with the word tempted doesn’t bother me.

“For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted,

he is able to succour them that are tempted.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:18‬ ‭

That sentence isn’t supposed to read “ “because he himself was tested he is able to help those who are tempted .”

“For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities;

but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

At whatever point we can be tempted he already was and overcame it . And never sinned .

That shouldn’t read “ because he’s not able to be touched by our infirmity , he was tested at every point we are tempted yet he did not sin.”

I don’t have any issue with the word tempted used for me and also Jesus that’s what the doctrine explains that he was tempted in all the same points we are yet he didn’t sin

it isn’t that Jesus was never tempted and yet he did not sin ….it’s that Jesus was tempted in every way as we are and yet he never sinned .

satan is who tempted him

“Satan’s temptations aim at doubt, disobedience, and death.”

If you really are the son of God tell this stone to become bread ….

 

[Mem]

Satanic temptation ?


“Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭4:1‬ ‭

i really have no interest in changing the word I’m okay with the word tempted doesn’t bother me.

“For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted,

he is able to succour them that are tempted.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:18‬ ‭

That sentence isn’t supposed to read “ “because he himself was tested he is able to help those who are tempted .”

“For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities;

but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

At whatever point we can be tempted he already was and overcame it . And never sinned .

That shouldn’t read “ because he’s not able to be touched by our infirmity , he was tested at every point we are tempted yet he did not sin.”

I don’t have any issue with the word tempted used for me and also Jesus that’s what the doctrine explains that he was tempted in all the same points we are yet he didn’t sin

it isn’t that Jesus was never tempted and yet he did not sin ….it’s that Jesus was tempted in every way as we are and yet he never sinned .

satan is who tempted him

“Satan’s temptations aim at doubt, disobedience, and death.”

If you really are the son of God tell this stone to become bread ….

That's fine as you have liberty for your personal preference. The only point I'm trying to make is that, just as you wouldn't explain to a modern kids that Jesus was peirazo'ed because that is, in the practical sense, basically a dead language they wouldn't understand, neither would they understand the word 'tempted' in the same sense that the Shakespearean kid would have understood it.

 

[Mem]

Just as Jesus walked upon the water within the tempest and, unlike the disciples who were 'tossed to and fro,' was unaffected by it is the true sense of His being tempted/tested.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

That's fine as you have liberty for your personal preference. The only point I'm trying to make is that, just as you wouldn't explain to a modern kids that Jesus was peirazo'ed because that is, in the practical sense, basically a dead language they wouldn't understand, neither would they understand the word 'tempted' in the same sense that the Shakespearean kid would have understood it.

Yeah I see your point . My point is the doctrine teaches us Jesus experiences exactly what we do when tempted . It’s not different . If we are “ tempted “ he was tempted , if we are tested , he was tested . Either way it’s the same thing he went through that we go through

the word” tempted” doesn’t matter to me if the bu ke said tested I’d be fine with it it says tempted I’m fine with it because I’m looking at what’s being said about Jesus and us and what it’s saying is at every point we are tempted he was tempted and did not sin like we all have sinned when tempted

i could be fine with changing the word to tested as long as it’s done everywhere so it’s not making what Jesus went through different from what we go through when tempted he knows because he’s done it .

That’s all I’m saying tempted , tested doesn’t matter to me I don’t haggle over single words I look at what’s being explained .

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Just as Jesus walked upon the water within the tempest and, unlike the disciples who were 'tossed to and fro,' was unaffected by it is the true sense of His being tempted/tested.

Was Jesus unaffected here ? Or can you see a glimpse of humanity ?

“Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gethsemane, and saith unto the disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder. And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful and very heavy. Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.

And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me:

nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour? Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26:36-42‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if I was facing agonizing death when I had never done wrong and was expected to die for all the others who did wrong . I would have fled away while i still could have . I wouldn’t have held up like Jesus did . What he felt would have crushed me and I would have failed humanity all of us would have facing his temptations in his life all the forms of it .

But he overcame

“To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭3:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

a Jesus overcame the flesh issues and perfected his flesh by enduring temptations and holding up against them never commiting sin in any way