Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Cameron143 said:
I tell them God made a way through Christ to be reconciled to Himself.

Do you pray for unsaved people?
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Pretty vague.

Anyway the idea of regeneration preceding belief

- based on the unproven idea that people are created by god (not the God of Scripture) to be unable to respond to the Truth and Power of the Gospel message

- so that this god then bestows regeneration/particular unique enabling on certain selected people in an random manner (since we do not know why he loves some, saves some and not others).

is clearly wrong and has yet to be proven via scripture.
 
HeIsHere said:
Pretty vague.

Anyway the idea of regeneration preceding belief

- based on the unproven idea that people are created by god (not the God of Scripture) to be unable to respond to the Truth and Power of the Gospel message

- so that this god then bestows regeneration/particular unique enabling on certain selected people in an random manner (since we do not know why he loves some, saves some and not others).

is clearly wrong and has yet to be proven via scripture.
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Vagueness is part of the double-talk.
 
Why did Jesus died for the sins of all unbelievers?

The Devil thinks he owns them, and that they will always do as he pleases them to do.

When God cut off that claim by purchasing all souls back to Himself on the Cross?
God can then look at the Devil and tell him...

You had nothing to do with their unbelief, as if they found you a better choice!
They did not cling to unbelief because they prefer you!

They simply do not want me, just like you did.
Matter of fact, most of them wish to distance themselves from you!

If God did not pay for the sins of the unbeliever?
It would look like that Satan is their owner.

God owns all souls!
The Cross made that absolutely clear!

Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine:
The soul that sins, it shall die.

Ezk 18:4​
 
HeIsHere said:
Pretty vague.

Anyway the idea of regeneration preceding belief

- based on the unproven idea that people are created by god (not the God of Scripture) to be unable to respond to the Truth and Power of the Gospel message

- so that this god then bestows regeneration/particular unique enabling on certain selected people in an random manner (since we do not know why he loves some, saves some and not others).

is clearly wrong and has yet to be proven via scripture.
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Do you pray for unsaved people?
 
Genez said:
You got that part right, good to see.

But why do TULIP Christians clear off the table what you just said, and tell us, that we had nothing to do with God's pick?
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It's not arbitrary, but it is arbitrary. You just don't understand.
 
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Kroogz said:
Doesn't it bother you that after 100's of posts, many BELIEVERS don't understand your beliefs?

I Can't imagine how confused the unbelievers are after you tell them what you believe.
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It's not me you don't understand. You don't understand God and scripture.

Do you pray for unbelievers?
 
reneweddaybyday said:
rolleyes ... your misinterpretation concerning what is written in Genesis 3:15 has been discussed already, Rufus.

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And I explained previously that Gen 3:21 doesn't tell the whole story. For one thing, the text doesn't say that A&E accepted God's provision by faith. The text only tells us what God provided for A&E; but it doesn't tell us how they responded. However...there is strong evidence later in the narrative that Eve acknowledged God and recognized that He was ultimately responsible for her bearing children. Plus Eve is called "the mother of all the living".

Bottom line: You are assuming that both A&E responded in faith, whereas the post-Fall account provides strong evidence of faith by Eve only! Good job at eisegesis! :rolleyes: I mean...Christ covered the sins of the entire world, right? He atoned for the sins of all mankind w/o exception, right? So...going by your logic and how you interpret v. 3:21 and carrying your logic over to the Cross then this must mean that the entire world is saved -- just like the entire world (A&E) was saved in Gen 3:21 ( cf. Jn 3:17).

Moreover, your interpretation of Gen 3:21 doesn't make sense in light of Gen 3:22-24 whereby God drove his enemy out from his Holy Presence. You will never find in scripture where the Heb term "garash" (Strong's 1644) is ever referred to in the context of God's redeemed people. The term is most frequently used in the context of God driving out his enemies, or the enemies of His chosen people, or God' enemies driving out His people from their presence. (See my 8076 from yesterday!) It makes no sense that God would drive out his friend Adam (who you are assuming was also reconciled to God). That would set quite a precedent in scripture. And I don't formulate doctrine on a single precedent.
 
sawdust said:
I'm not a Jew. My forefathers were not Abraham, Isaac and Jacob so you'll need to find another reason for us Gentiles.
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Your own words condemn you since you deny any connection whatsoever to Abraham's seed (offspring). And since Abraham isn't your spiritual father, then who is: Adam?
 
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