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Murdered Hamas hostage Itzik Elgarat tortured to death, autopsy reveals

The autopsy revealed that Itzik’s body arrived with extensive trauma, including multiple broken ribs, a fractured nose, and damaged toes – injuries suggesting brutal and sustained physical abuse


https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/a...sVcE5nGBsPX-wG465I_aem_OGl1dGO5os3bkZ6fL2r-hw


Any comments from the odd squad @CommodoreTeach, @HeIsHere, @ChristRoseFromTheDead

Sadly even his brother blames Israel more than Hamas. Still shows the brutality of the Hamas terrorists.
Terrible stuff . I saw a video the other day of them making a hostage dig his own grave and he looked just like the kids in gaza nothing but bones with some skin just a terrible war happening there terrible ideations and actions
 
My guess would be he suffered that trauma and was killed by IDF fire. Lots of hostages were killed by the IDF while bombing Hamas.

I think there is sufficient evidence that the government of Israel has not been particularly interested in truly negotiating

their release as they have consistently put up road blocks to a settling the hostage situation.

If they settle the hostage situation they can no longer justify the mass killing/starvation/ethnic cleansing of the remaining population.

They want that real estate for the resorts DT and Kushner have made it clear!!! :rolleyes:
Is that in the OT?
 
Terrible stuff . I saw a video the other day of them making a hostage dig his own grave and he looked just like the kids in gaza nothing but bones with some skin just a terrible war happening there terrible ideations and actions

I am sure it is pretty horrible to watch a sniper kill your child/mother/father/sibling trying to get food too?

You know Hamas has offered several times to release the hostages based on the reciprocal release of hostages, the Israeli government is not interested.
 
God looked down from heaven in osapm 14 and saw that man had become that way not that they always were
Man has ALWAYS been sinful after the fall!

Cmon guy. This is Christianity 101. And that others here agree that there were sinless humans post man's fall, aside from Jesus, is truly disturbing.

I am actually shocked at this revelation from people that have been here awhile. A baby Christian may get mixed up about that, so maybe I can just hope that's what you are.

Further. GOD DID NOT SAY THEY WERE SINLESS.
 
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I am sure it is pretty horrible to watch a sniper kill your child/mother/father/sibling trying to get food too?

You know Hamas has offered several times to release the hostages based on the reciprocal release of hostages, the Israeli government is not interested.
Ehh yeah I’m definately not at all thinking Hamas of the idf are good guys , I think some of the Palestinian people are not Hamas and don’t even want Hamas there . And I think a lot of isralites like those slaughtered on Oct 7 were actually peaceful and advocated for pakestinians they employed many on the kibbutz they attacked

They should never have taken the hostages to begin with or attacked the civilians . If Hamas and the idf just killed one another who cares really I wouldn’t bit the thing is both sides are killing innocent non involved people who haven’t done anything to them both sides are wrong .

that’s just where I stand on it just my own personal opinion . It’s an albatross one can see either side of it the pakestinians have been treated horribly by the west and modern day israel the governments.
Man has ALWAYS been sinful after the fall!

Cmon guy. This is Christianity 101. And that others here agree that there were sinless humans post man's fall, aside from Jesus, is truly disturbing.

I am actually shocked at this revelation from people that have been here awhile. A baby Christian may get mixed up about that, so maybe I can just hope that's what you are.

Further. GOD DID NOT SAY THEY WERE SINLESS.

alrighty
 
I sure do too went back and forth between West Virginia and Kentucky for a while but I haven’t been there since I was 13 bout 59 years or so . I really miss it I guess probably nostalgia for my youth

Wife and I went to kens creation museum, ment so many down to earth friendly faces there ....what a blessing.
Planning on going back soon. Just to explore Kentucky. The people there made are whole visit all the more worth while.
 
Wife and I went to kens creation museum, ment so many down to earth friendly faces there ....what a blessing.
Planning on going back soon. Just to explore Kentucky. The people there made are whole visit all the more worth while.
Yeah the people there were the best part when I was living there I really think of it as home even though it’s been so long
 
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I thought if any one was interested that we could discuss why Jesus is not believed by the the jews.
Not regarding the blindness mention in scripture but regarding God's word that was given to them.
To sharpen our swords to what is a very confusing and often misunderstood reasons.
I took the liberty to pick 5 scriptures from the Torah that are found in the New testament for comparison.
I would also like to explore how if we were witnessing to a jew how we would go about resolving the issues.
Now mind you these are God's words from beginning to end. After which if you have any scripture that are relevant please post.

Example

1 Corinthians 15:3 states that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures. Other verses that support this idea include 1 Peter 2:24 and Romans 5:8, which say that Christ bore our sins on the cross and died for us while we were still sinners.

Torah

Deu 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
 
I thought if any one was interested that we could discuss why Jesus is not believed by the the jews.
Not regarding the blindness mention in scripture but regarding God's word that was given to them.
To sharpen our swords to what is a very confusing and often misunderstood reasons.
I took the liberty to pick 5 scriptures from the Torah that are found in the New testament for comparison.
I would also like to explore how if we were witnessing to a jew how we would go about resolving the issues.
Now mind you these are God's words from beginning to end. After which if you have any scripture that are relevant please post.

Example

1 Corinthians 15:3 states that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures. Other verses that support this idea include 1 Peter 2:24 and Romans 5:8, which say that Christ bore our sins on the cross and died for us while we were still sinners.

Torah

Deu 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.


Can you start us off with some of your own answers? I'm unsure of how you want our responses to be like?

Other than that, it sounds interesting!


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Can you start us off with some of your own answers? I'm unsure of how you want our responses to be like?

Other than that, it sounds interesting!


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Well to tell you the truth i was hoping to glean on responses from you all. This is a study in which I have put together for understanding the Jewish mind. Further we cannot use Isaiah 53 which is not taught in most synagogues. So i suppose I would start with psalms 22
And ask who is the psalms talking about.
Believe it or not the relevance of these 2 things resolved has to do with revelation.......to be continued.
 
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Well to tell you the truth i was hoping to glean on responses from you all. This is a study in which I have put together for understanding the Jewish mind. Further we cannot use Isaiah 53 which is not taught in most synagogues. So i suppose I would start with psalms 22
And ask who is the psalms talking about.
Believe it or not the relevance of these 2 things resolved has to do with revelation.......to be continued.
Many Orthodox Jews were brought up with God in mind and nothing learnt about Jesus. I suppose it's because they rely on the OT Scripture before Jesus was manifested. Many like King David were 'in the Spirit' but of course didn't connect it to the anointing of Jesus.
 
We are told to give a answer to all that ask, and of course the great commission to the jew first then the Gentiles.
The Torah is central in there teaching. Which is taught at a young age . So my friends where do we go from here if this is presented?
Remember saints Jesus said not one jot or dash shall be removed until all is fulfilled.
Yeah .....hard one huh...wait till ya see #2.🤔🤔😬
 
Wife and I went to kens creation museum, ment so many down to earth friendly faces there ....what a blessing.
Planning on going back soon. Just to explore Kentucky. The people there made are whole visit all the more worth while.


Did you visit the Ark? I took my nephews there a few years back, they were amazed. I'm waiting to go back at Christmas, they have a live nativity and decorate for the season. It's free to go and see the decorations.
 
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We are told to give a answer to all that ask, and of course the great commission to the jew first then the Gentiles.
The Torah is central in there teaching. Which is taught at a young age . So my friends where do we go from here if this is presented?
Remember saints Jesus said not one jot or dash shall be removed until all is fulfilled.
Yeah .....hard one huh...wait till ya see #2.🤔🤔😬


I don't want to steal anyone's thunder. Can someone start a thread about this. Maybe we can pull this out of the dump and get something useful out of it. I'll be looking for it.
 
Did you visit the Ark? I took my nephews there a few years back, they were amazed. I'm waiting to go back at Christmas, they have a live nativity and decorate for the season. It's free to go and see the decorations.

I saw the Christmas display on web site love to see it in person. Ark was really great. The zoo we enjoyed too. All of it quite a experience.
 
I don't want to steal anyone's thunder. Can someone start a thread about this. Maybe we can pull this out of the dump and get something useful out of it. I'll be looking for it.

Well if this seems useless I will end it now....sorry just thought I'd show a bit of the Jewish mind set. And questions that I thought were worth searching out.
 
Well if this seems useless I will end it now....sorry just thought I'd show a bit of the Jewish mind set. And questions that I thought were worth searching out.


No, please don't end it. It does sound interesting!

Pose all the questions you want. You said there was a second question? But it would be nice to make sure you found replies that are satisfactory to your first question before moving on.


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