Actually the statement [only believers are elected] originated in a post by sawdust, see above. I accused you of saying this, and for that I apologize.
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Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Then I guess that I better watch out! Although I was not born in Germany, ancestry would probably show me to be 50% German. So, I may be prone to making a word out of 1/2 of a sentence.
... rip verses from the context in which the Author of Scripture has placed the verses and then re-writing Scripture is eisegesis ... no matter how much "bling" is included in the presentation.Exegesis and eisegesis are two conflicting approaches in Bible study. Exegesis is the exposition or explanation of a text based on a careful, objective analysis. The word exegesis literally means “to lead out of.” That means that the interpreter is led to his conclusions by following the text.
The opposite approach to Scripture is eisegesis, which is the interpretation of a passage based on a subjective, non-analytical reading. The word eisegesis literally means “to lead into,” which means the interpreter injects his own ideas into the text, making it mean whatever he wants.
Obviously, only exegesis does justice to the text. Eisegesis is a mishandling of the text and often leads to a misinterpretation. Exegesis is concerned with discovering the true meaning of the text, respecting its grammar, syntax, and setting. Eisegesis is concerned only with making a point, even at the expense of the meaning of words.
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I certainly try to be blind to the vile hatred you and Magenta have been spewing out but there comes a time when one has to stop trying to explain anything because one knows there is no thought for discussion behind such behaviour.
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A wise move, it will not change.
It is impossible to persuade people whose mind is captured by eisegesis.
Know why it is called eisegesis?
Because the people who think that way, are this way.
I'm right!
Because...
Eisegesis!
And, you'z Agesis, too!
I confess I didn't understand what you were getting at. Are you saying unbelievers are elected as well?
A couple comments:
#2 There is no statement re: God's anger in those verses.
#4 What more needs be said (or conjectured) re: [spiritual] death?
What happens to man's spirit or man's spirit/soul is all theory and debate. Men cannot even agree on whether man was body, spirit, soul or body spirit/soul.
'Well, my pastor says' is a phrase Paul was rooting out of Christian infancy in 50 something AD.
He failed to do so.
Then men created digital social media.
Specifically it's to make Disciples and Baptize. Anyone around us qualifies for that.
Yes but those Verses speak about God leading and directing which only relates to those already saved and obeying the Will of God.
God leading and directing the steps apply to those who follow God. You truly should sit in a Synagogue and listen to the proper translation of the Proverbs.There's not a thing in the passages I quoted that qualifies those statements to pertain only to saved people. In fact, how do you get that out of texts like Act 4:23-28; Rom 9:14-18; Dan 5:23; Prov 21:1; Jer 10:23, etc.
You should pray really hard to God to DIRECT YOUR STEPS by correcting your overworked, overwrought, hyperactive, underpaid, darkened imagination. Most of those passages simply use the generic, commonly understood term "man" or "man's" (as in mankind['s]).
Pathetic try!
Show me DIRECTLY anywhere Hagin is doctrinally incorrect.
Use a bible.
Not some haters opinion.
I must have missed something.
Where is the qoute of cv5 calling members "satan" and "heretics" for believing election ?
Those that turn from the faith ...what do you make of that?
EXACTLY like a wife leaves the husband (marriage covenant), or visa viz.
I 100% understand osas and the salvation covenant.
For anyone to break that covenant is foolish.
Jesus said If you deny me before men I will deny you before my father.
Ok, so what does osass make of that? You can just go ahead and do it because once you're saved you're always saved?
What does osas say of romans 11?
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off
