Israel.

[HeIsHere]

@CommodoreTeach @Yahshua @Needevidence

The very thing Paul preached against in his day is what we see today. From the book that @ChristRoseFromTheDead linked.
So very on point are this man's words and still here we are 100 years onward still fighting these lies.


"But it is well known that the one that was most fondly cherished, and that constituted the gravest menace to the truth of the gospel,

was the notion that the leading purpose of the mission of the coming Messiah would be the reconstitution of the Jewish nation and

its elevation to the highest pinnacle of earthly dominion and glory; for that fatuous doctrine was the

corner stone of orthodox Judaism in Paul's day; and because of his sturdy opposition to it he was persecuted, his enemies plotted to

take his life and he was sent a prisoner to Rome. No wonder that, during the term of his imprisonment there, he wrote to Titus his

plain-spoken warning against 'Jewish fables.'"
Phillip Mauro, 1920

 

[God-fearing]

Ignoring what scripture says to project prophecy fulfillment into the future is unbelief. John 19:36-37 literally says the Zechariah prophecy was fulfilled, yet you say it wasn't. smh

You know I tried to open up a dialog for us to compare and reason. To understand the objective points. Unfortunately it seems that you and others want nothing to do with that.
So I will stand as the foolish one to take God at his word and not subject it to my own understanding.
I cannot tell you how all that God has spoken will come to pass but one thing is clear either by the guided hands of men or by supernatural Devine intervention it will come to pass.
Who's to say that the gospels might or might not have shadows of future event. For Jesus did come for his own first. And the word of the Lord does not return void.
God is all about reconciliation no doubt I have no argument there. Could be a spiritual foreshadowing.

Faith comes by the word of God. But what is faith? Believing in God's word without evidence. So kudos to you and i also believe this will be done. Just not in that day. Why? You brought up prophecy. Prophecy is the evidence of that which was not seen.
According to Israel today this has not been fulfilled yet. And When it is fulfilled it won't be spiritual.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

You know I tried to open up a dialog for us to compare and reason. To understand the objective points. Unfortunately it seems that you and others want nothing to do with that.
So I will stand as the foolish one to take God at his word and not subject it to my own understanding.
I cannot tell you how all that God has spoken will come to pass but one thing is clear either by the guided hands of men or by supernatural Devine intervention it will come to pass.
Who's to say that the gospels might or might not have shadows of future event. For Jesus did come for his own first. And the word of the Lord does not return void.
God is all about reconciliation no doubt I have no argument there. Could be a spiritual foreshadowing.

Faith comes by the word of God. But what is faith? Believing in God's word without evidence. So kudos to you and i also believe this will be done. Just not in that day. Why? You brought up prophecy. Prophecy is the evidence of that which was not seen.
According to Israel today this has not been fulfilled yet. And When it is fulfilled it won't be spiritual.

You are constantly comparing spiritual things (scripture) with worldly things (worldly events seen with the eyes) and subsuming scripture to worldly events, which is why it's pointless and impossible to have a reasoned discussion with you.

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 1 Corinthians 2:12-13​

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

So the point is if you are constantly undermining the veracity of scripture by denying what it plainly says in order to force an interpretation based upon worldly events, then it's like arguing with an unbeliever.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

You know I tried to open up a dialog for us to compare and reason. To understand the objective points. Unfortunately it seems that you and others want nothing to do with that.

It seems that you want nothing to do with it. I provided scripture that explicitly states Zechariah 12:10 was fulfilled at Christ's crucufixion. That is the word of God. Yet the unbelief in you wouldn't let you affirm and acknowledge that truth. Instead you gave a roundabout deflection to avoid having to confront that glaring reality. Dispensationalism, unbelief is thy name!

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

This is what dispensensationalists remind me of.

It's rather odd to me that Christ rose, HeisH,RedCar, Yahshua are such supporters of Candice Cameron and Tucker who are both Catholics. I sure don't stand with the Catholic church, and more importantly, the Bible doesn't! They scream about cults and tell us how wrong we are while backing the Catholic church!? Unreal!

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

So the point is if you are constantly undermining the veracity of scripture by denying what it plainly says in order to force an interpretation based upon worldly events, then it's like arguing with an unbeliever.

No, you are. How can you be such a stickler for Biblical truth and back Catholics. They were the first to round Jews up and put them in a ghetto. They were the first to make them wear a badge of identity. They were the first to push the false blood libels. At least they repented of their hatred of the Jews.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

It seems that you want nothing to do with it. I provided scripture that explicitly states Zechariah 12:10 was fulfilled at Christ's crucufixion.

The time of the Gentiles ended 2000 yrs ago?? Jews are in their homeland and repented, believing in the Messiah? Just because you want to twist Scripture to your POV doesn't mean you're correct.

 

[PennEd]

t seems that you want nothing to do with it. I provided scripture that explicitly states Zechariah 12:10 was fulfilled at Christ's crucufixion.

This is patently absurd.

Geesh, why does anyone give heed to this nonsense.

Here is the WHOLE chapter in it's context. To try and say that these things have already happened is absolute foolishness. But it is the satanic fruit of Amillennialism.
For those perusing that may be confused, please read for yourself:

Zechariah 12

New King James Version

The Coming Deliverance of Judah
12 The [a]burden of the word of the Lord against Israel. Thus says the Lord, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: 2 “Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of [b]drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples, when they lay siege against Judah and Jerusalem. 3 And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it. 4 In that day,” says the Lord, “I will strike every horse with confusion, and its rider with madness; I will open My eyes on the house of Judah, and will strike every horse of the peoples with blindness. 5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, ‘The inhabitants of Jerusalem are my strength in the Lord of hosts, their God.’ 6 In that day I will make the governors of Judah like a firepan in the woodpile, and like a fiery torch in the sheaves; they shall devour all the surrounding peoples on the right hand and on the left, but Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place—Jerusalem.
7 “The Lord will save the tents of Judah first, so that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem shall not become greater than that of Judah. 8 In that day the Lord will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; the one who is feeble among them in that day shall be like David, and the house of David shall be like God, like the Angel of the Lord before them. 9 It shall be in that day that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
Mourning for the Pierced One
10 “And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. 11 In that day there shall be a great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning at Hadad Rimmon in the plain of [c]Megiddo. 12 And the land shall mourn, every family by itself: the family of the house of David by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself, and their wives by themselves; 13 the family of the house of Levi by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of Shimei by itself, and their wives by themselves; 14 all the families that remain, every family by itself, and their wives by themselves.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

This is patently absurd.

Geesh, why does anyone give heed to this nonsense.

Here is the WHOLE chapter in it's context. To try and say that these things have already happened is absolute foolishness. But it is the satanic fruit of Amillennialism.
For those perusing that may be confused, please read for yourself:

The apostle John wrote that the Roman piercing Christ with a spear was the fulfillment of Zechariah 12:10, yet people who claim to believe what the bible says insist that what John wrote is absurd nonsense. smh

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

The apostle John wrote that the Roman piercing Christ with a spear was the fulfillment of Zechariah 12:10, yet people who claim to believe what the bible plainly says insist that what John wrote is absurd nonsense. smh

No said that what John said was nonsense.

 

[PennEd]

The apostle John wrote that the Roman piercing Christ with a spear was the fulfillment of Zechariah 12:10,

No he didn't. You made that up.

You better p18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.ay heed to THESE words from John:

And they CERTAINLY didn't mourn Jesus's Crucifixion. They rejoiced!

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

No he didn't. You made that up.

And they CERTAINLY didn't mourn Jesus's Crucifixion. They rejoiced!

I quoted what John said and you say I made it up. smh. The dispensational spirit really scrambles peoples' brains

Christ's disciples did mourn in private, not publically like important worldly people would have been mourned.

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

No he didn't. You made that up.

You better p18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.ay heed to THESE words from John:

And they CERTAINLY didn't mourn Jesus's Crucifixion. They rejoiced!

No he didn't. You made that up.

You better p18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.ay heed to THESE words from John:

And they CERTAINLY didn't mourn Jesus's Crucifixion. They rejoiced!

I'm 100% positive true Israel mourned at the death of Jesus.

 

[HeIsHere]

I'm 100% positive true Israel mourned at the death of Jesus.

Amen!

 

[God-fearing]

It seems that you want nothing to do with it. I provided scripture that explicitly states Zechariah 12:10 was fulfilled at Christ's crucufixion. That is the word of God. Yet the unbelief in you wouldn't let you affirm and acknowledge that truth. Instead you gave a roundabout deflection to avoid having to confront that glaring reality. Dispensationalism, unbelief is thy name!

And as I said prophecy fulfillment is the evidence seen. Jesus came to fulfill not to teach us spiritually.
Read Hebrews 11 again very slowly.......Sarah going to have a baby while collecting senior social security was there a baby?
Abraham...takes his son to sacrifice.....no sacrifice....the lord will supply......did he?
Did the walls of Jericho fall? Ect ect ect.
Stop being so lame your better than that. I agreed on your observation to the possible but not in that time.
Need I remind you that even the Apostles asked about the restoration did Jesus say your right let's do it while I'm here ? No.
It's all in Gods timing not ours. Who's being stubborn now.
1939 till 1947 .....if some one siad hey...these people that are being slaughtered are going to have there own land back and become a prosperous nation they would of laughed and locked you up....did it happen? According to scripture one day?
Don't care what you think how it came about politics or other wise ....it happened.
Now the same as in our Lords day...what do we do with this nation. It all points to Christ. They hate you because they hate me.

 

[HeIsHere]

I quoted what John said and you say I made it up. smh. The dispensational spirit really scrambles peoples' brains

Christ's disciples did mourn in private, not publically like important worldly people would have been mourned.

Geo-politics more highly regarded than Truth.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

And as I said prophecy fulfillment is the evidence seen.

And John provided the evidence by witnessing that the Zechariah 12:10 prophecy was fulfilled when the Roman soldier stabbed Christ. Faith comes by hearing/reading the word of God, not seeing worldly things as you seem to base faith on. That's not the faith of Christ; that's a worldly faith of the devil.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Need I remind you that even the Apostles asked about the restoration did Jesus say your right let's do it while I'm here ? No.
It's all in Gods timing not ours. Who's being stubborn now.

The truth is you don't believe God's word. John said something and you disbelieve it because his witness undermines what you want to see with your own eyes.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Jesus came to fulfill not to teach us spiritually.

Jesus didn't come to teach us spiritually? Are you even a Christian?