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When you know The Almighty ways, and I mean truly know them, you'd see His hand isn't in their military conquests because at no point does any of it need to point to Him.

Amen.
Jesus took care of those who directly rejected Him in the first century.
 
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Not credible in the least because no army can approach Israel as long as it has nukes. This is why the armies of the kings of the east go no further than the Euphrates River. But once Israel is destroyed by nukes the lord will return with his resurrected holy ones to battle and destroy the armies come against them at Armageddon
Zechariah 12 focuses on the future deliverance of Jerusalem and the spiritual awakening of the Jewish people. It describes a future time when Jerusalem will be a source of trouble for its enemies, who will be defeated by God. A key element is the outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon the Jewish people, leading them to recognize and mourn for the one they pierced, referring to Jesus, and their subsequent repentance.

Looks like you have a death wish for Israel, against God's Word, as usual w/you. Did you write a make-believe Bible where you're getting these fairy tales?
 
Zechariah 12 focuses on the future deliverance of Jerusalem and the spiritual awakening of the Jewish people. It describes a future time when Jerusalem will be a source of trouble for its enemies, who will be defeated by God. A key element is the outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon the Jewish people, leading them to recognize and mourn for the one they pierced, referring to Jesus, and their subsequent repentance.

Looks like you have a death wish for Israel, against God's Word, as usual w/you. Did you write a make-believe Bible where you're getting these fairy tales?

So God punishes a future generation for something they had not part in?

Kinda like punishing present day white people for some who owned slaves in the past.

God does not work that way.
 
Not credible in the least because no army can approach Israel as long as it has nukes. This is why the armies of the kings of the east go no further than the Euphrates River. But once Israel is destroyed by nukes the lord will return with his resurrected holy ones to battle and destroy the armies come against them at Armageddon

Not even close my friend.if your referencing Jude that is a quote from the book of Enoch.

Rejoicing in Heaven
Rev 19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:

Rev 19:2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

Rev 19:3 And again they said, Alleluia. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.

Rev 19:4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.

Rev 19:5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.

The Marriage Supper of the Lamb
Rev 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

Rev 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

Rev 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

The Rider on a White Horse
Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Rev 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
The Thousand Years
Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The armies of God are considered angels, soldiers,.
 
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Zechariah 12 focuses on the future deliverance of Jerusalem and the spiritual awakening of the Jewish people. It describes a future time when Jerusalem will be a source of trouble for its enemies, who will be defeated by God. A key element is the outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon the Jewish people, leading them to recognize and mourn for the one they pierced, referring to Jesus, and their subsequent repentance.

Zechariah prophesied in the 6th centruy BC, and the holy spirit was poured out on Israel approximately 6 centuries later at Pentecost as he predicted. There was mourning in Jerusalem when Christ was killed, and it was done privately by his disciples, not publically as Zechariah 12 states. Futurists have this weird compulsion for ignoring past fulfillments and projecting everything into the future. I can only attribute this to unbelief.

And if you interpret the writings of Zechariah only literally, or even as verses occurring sequentially or in the same time period, then you will reach the wrong conclusions and be deceived.
 
Zechariah prophesied in the 6th centruy BC, and the holy spirit was poured out on Israel approximately 6 centuries later at Pentecost as he predicted. There was mourning in Jerusalem when Christ was killed, and it was done privately by his disciples, not publically as Zechariah 12 states. Futurists have this weird compulsion for ignoring past fulfillments and projecting everything into the future. I can only attribute this to unbelief.

And if you interpret the writings of Zechariah only literally, or even as verses occurring sequentially or in the same time period, then you will reach the wrong conclusions and be deceived.

Well, bible says as it will come. You believe it or not. God will protect Jerusalem, solong the earth will exists. He proved this in the past and he does it today and he will do it in future.
 
So God punishes a future generation for something they had not part in?

Kinda like punishing present day white people for some who owned slaves in the past.

God does not work that way.

Read your gospel. Why take that worldly understanding all the time.
Hint.....what was said by the pharisees when Jesus was before pilate?
 
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The Isaiah verses quoted by God-fearing is a prophecy that is fulfilled by spiritual Israel not the state of Israel.The land given to the Israelites in the OT was conditional and was unfulfilled by the people not holding unto their end of the covenant.
The state of Israel didn't fulfil that prophecy since they're unrepented.
You are wrong. God's covenant with Abraham included a nation and a land. That covenant was unconditional. God warned Israel that He would scatter them (Deuteronomy 28:64) and promised that He would bring them back.

I suggest that you read this article. https://www.oneforisrael.org/israel/1948-was-key/ It explains God's restoration of Israel.

"A nation born in one day." That refers to literal, physical Israel and it literally happened in 1948. Don't try to tell me that it was the church. Tell me the exact day that the church was founded. You can't. You know the exact day that Israel was founded.
 
Correct, this is the time Israel recognize Jesus as their Messiah.

That would be a remnant and they do not meet him on earth in Israel because scripture says those that are alive and remaining when he returns will ascend to meet him in the clouds with all of resurrected Israel he brings with him
 
"A nation born in one day." That refers to literal, physical Israel and it literally happened in 1948. Don't try to tell me that it was the church. Tell me the exact day that the church was founded. You can't. You know the exact day that Israel was founded.

It was on the day of Pentecost after the resurrection that the spiritual nation of Israel was born when it received the promised holy spirit.
 
Read your gospel. Why take that worldly understanding all the time.
Hint.....what was said by the pharisees when Jesus was before pilate?

My understanding is actually right on target by the very words of Christ Jesus and the Apostles.
Please tell me who is the one not believing the words of Jesus?


These are only some...................

This generation shall not pass
This generation will not pass away until all these things take place.” (Mk. 13:30)
“Who warned you to flee from the wrath about to come?” (Lk. 3:7)
The axe is already laid at the root of the trees. ” (Lk. 3:9)
“His winnowing fork is in His hand….” (Lk. 3:17)
“What, therefore, will the owner of the vineyard do to them? He will come and destroy these vine-growers and will give the vineyard to others.” …The scribes and the chief priests …understood that He spoke this parable against them.” (Lk. 20:15-16,19)
"These are days of vengeance, in order that all things which are written may be fulfilled.” (Lk. 21:22)
"This generation will not pass away until all things take place.” (Lk. 21:32)
“Daughters of Jerusalem, stop weeping for Me, but weep for yourselves and for your children. For behold, the days are coming when they will say, ‘Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bore, and the breasts that never nursed.’ Then they will begin to say to the mountains, ‘Fall on us,’ and to the hills, ‘Cover us.’” (Lk. 23:28-30; Compare Rev. 6:14-17)
“The end of all things is at hand; therefore, be of sound judgment and sober spirit for the purpose of prayer.” (I Peter 4:7)
“It is the last hour.” (I Jn. 2:18)

Yes it is true, people do not like having their formula changed even when it means being disobedient to the very words of Christ......
nope they prefer those of Tim Lahaye.
 
Not credible in the least because no army can approach Israel as long as it has nukes. This is why the armies of the kings of the east go no further than the Euphrates River. But once Israel is destroyed by nukes the lord will return with his resurrected holy ones to battle and destroy the armies come against them at Armageddon
Israel will not be destroyed by nukes, more tripe propaganda. Armageddon is in Israel and the Bible does not explicitly say Israel will be completely destroyed before Armageddon. Instead, it suggests that Israel will be on the verge of destruction, leading to a point where a believing remnant will be saved by the return of Jesus Christ. Liberty University explains that "Jesus will return to planet earth in order to rescue the believing Jewish remnant that is on the verge of being destroyed during the Campaign of Armageddon".
It's a losing cause making up your own fantasies to suit your bias, blatantly going against Scripture, but you haven't realized that yet.
 
It was on the day of Pentecost after the resurrection that the spiritual nation of Israel was born when it received the promised holy spirit.
I expected you to say that. It's not true. The disciples, apart from Judas, received the Holy Spirit before the day of Pentecost. (John 20:22) Those who are born again are the church. In order to be born again, you must receive Christ. (John 1:22). There was no particular day that the disciples were born again. Was it when they were first called? How about when Peter affirmed that Jesus was the Messiah? Maybe in John 6, when Peter declared that Jesus had the words of life?

After He rose from the dead, 120 gathered in the upper room. Were they not born again? If not, how could they have received the Holy Spirit? If they were born again, then they are the church.
 
Well, bible says as it will come. You believe it or not. God will protect Jerusalem, solong the earth will exists. He proved this in the past and he does it today and he will do it in future.

I just heard that Germany is going to stop sending arms to Israel... just breaking but could be true.
But the word is they do not want do not want to be party to another genocide. thankfully they are realizing one was more than enough.

Germany must not have gotten the memo about protecting Jerusalem, looks like God and the USA will continue on, I guess God will have to send the drones, tanks, bombs and munitions down from the sky or something. :unsure:

But the real test will be when American soldiers leave in uniforms and come back in body bags, then we shall how long the fervor to protect Jerusalem lasts.

The whole thing is horrible all due to human greed and blackmail.
 
Israel will not be destroyed by nukes, more tripe propaganda. Armageddon is in Israel and the Bible does not explicitly say Israel will be completely destroyed before Armageddon. Instead, it suggests that Israel will be on the verge of destruction, leading to a point where a believing remnant will be saved by the return of Jesus Christ. Liberty University explains that "Jesus will return to planet earth in order to rescue the believing Jewish remnant that is on the verge of being destroyed during the Campaign of Armageddon".
It's a losing cause making up your own fantasies to suit your bias, blatantly going against Scripture, but you haven't realized that yet.

Well at least we do not go on book tours, make movies and make tons of money with manufactured last days hysteria.
 
Israel will not be destroyed by nukes, more tripe propaganda. Armageddon is in Israel and the Bible does not explicitly say Israel will be completely destroyed before Armageddon. Instead, it suggests that Israel will be on the verge of destruction, leading to a point where a believing remnant will be saved by the return of Jesus Christ. Liberty University explains that "Jesus will return to planet earth in order to rescue the believing Jewish remnant that is on the verge of being destroyed during the Campaign of Armageddon".
It's a losing cause making up your own fantasies to suit your bias, blatantly going against Scripture, but you haven't realized that yet.

Unbiblical nonsense. None of the lord's people will be on earth when the bowls of wrath are poured out, which precedes Armageddon. Paul clearly stated that those believers who are alive on earth when Christ returns will meet him in the clouds, not on earth.

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
 
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