President Trump gives Ukraine to Russia.

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President Trump has done another U-Turn on Russia. He plans to give Ukraine to Russia in return for the same promises that Putin broke twice before. I find it hard to reconcile Mr Trump's attitude to Putin while he is an ardent supporter of Israel. The cynic in me says that there are no Ukrainian votes in America while the Jewish vote is significant. However, Mr Trump can't run for office again, so that also makes no sense.

This kind of appeasement is exactly what led to WW2. Far from being known as the champion of world peace, Mr Trump may just have set in motion the movement toward WW3. The only good news is that Ukraine is almost certain to reject the deal, as they should.

For all the good that Mr Trump has done, he is not infallible. He has proven susceptible to the undoubted charm and cleverness of Vladimir Putin. Only God can make America great again, as Psalm 146:3 tells us.
 
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Everything scripture said would happen, will indeed happen.
We know He will use anyone at anytime to do His will, lets not give up on the President He raised up for such a time as this. We may even get NATO membership from what is left of Ukraine?
 
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President Trump has done another U-Turn on Russia. He plans to give Ukraine to Russia in return for the same promises that Putin broke twice before. I find it hard to reconcile Mr Trump's attitude to Putin while he is an ardent supporter of Israel. The cynic in me says that there are no Ukrainian votes in America while the Jewish vote is significant. However, Mr Trump can't run for office again, so that also makes no sense.

This kind of appeasement is exactly what led to WW2. Far from being known as the champion of world peace, Mr Trump may just have set in motion the movement toward WW3. The only good news is that Ukraine is almost certain to reject the deal, as they should.

For all the good that Mr Trump has done, he is not infallible. He has proven susceptible to the undoubted charm and cleverness of Vladimir Putin. Only God can make America great again, as Psalm 146:3 tells us.

Donald isn't suggesting that Ukraine be handed over to Russia; only territories that are already controlled by Russia. Zelensky has already rejected the proposal. What the Donald essentially wants Ukraine to do is say, okay, we admit we'll never get out territory back so here, Russia, you win. But everyone knows Russia won't stop there.
 
Trump should not be a student of Chamberlain. His advisors should have been giving him a heads up. Clearly they haven’t or he didn’t listen to them. Setting up a meeting with Putin in Alaska is not a good move. The Russian government can make a propaganda statement about Alaska being part of Russia until 1867. In Putin years that is about three weeks.
 
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Trump should not be a student of Chamberlain. His advisors should have been giving him a heads up. Clearly they haven’t or he didn’t listen to them. Setting up a meeting with Putin in Alaska is not a good move. The Russian government can make a propaganda statement about Alaska being part of Russia until 1867. In Putin years that is about three weeks.

Similar to many of the kings in OT Israel he doesn't like hearing the words of the Seer's and instead fires them and heaps advisers around himself speaking wonderful words about him and his kingdom.
 
Donald isn't suggesting that Ukraine be handed over to Russia; only territories that are already controlled by Russia. Zelensky has already rejected the proposal. What the Donald essentially wants Ukraine to do is say, okay, we admit we'll never get out territory back so here, Russia, you win. But everyone knows Russia won't stop there.
Are you saying you want the US to go to war with Russia so that Ukraine can get back the Eastern portion of Ukraine that Russia occupies?
 
What i don't understand is why is Trump meeting with Putin about Ukraine's land and not want Zelenskyy there, Seems like a LITTLE common sense would tell Trump that this is not a meeting of good faith.IMO, it will just be a waste of time.

I wonder if Trump supporters worry about how this is making Trump look weak when it comes to Vladimir Putin.
 
Dan 4:34 And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation:
Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

No power can rule unless God allows it.

I believe America has a dual purpose to start the separation process between those that love the truth and those who do not.

And to start the process that will change the course of the world causing them to establish a world that is not the operation of God but exalts people.

Which God is allowing so He can end sin on earth for He will not force them.

She allows the Gospel to be preached in the nation and the world.

Has somewhat of a moral base.

But she allows the pursuit of money, fleshy pleasures, and worldliness, that ensnares people.

She allows the occult to be practiced there even Satanism.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The new age agenda.

The new age agenda interprets the Bible according to the occult and evolution, and people are going to evolve to be spiritual, and greater, and Jesus became an ascended master among others, and there is no personal God, but they honor the God of forces the power of nature, and the New Age Christ is the next world teacher.

The time will come that people will not want to hear the truth of the Bible but want to hear it according to the new age.

The new age is an American plan.

The United Nations supports new age organizations.

Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

Daniel had a vision of 4 kingdoms, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and the Roman Empire.

The Roman Empire does not lose her dominion until Jesus puts down the world.

Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece will never have physical dominion again but their ways are still on earth.

Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

Rev 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
Rev 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
Rev 18:9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
Rev 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

Some people believe America is not in the Bible but this is America.

Babylon will never have physical dominion again so this is Babylon in spirit.

Which America resurrected the Babylonian system which she represents the occult, human religion, the kingdom of man, which the new age and the beast kingdom are all about.

Which the new age agenda is an American plan and the key to why the beast system happens.

Which she lived deliciously and in pleasure and is a sinful nation loving the ways of the flesh.

She did trade with the world prospering the world.

Which the world trade center is in New York.

The religious system of Babylon was primarily polytheistic, involving the worship of numerous deities with the main God Murdok which king Nebuchadnezzar acknowledged the God of the Jews the main God.

Which America allows all religions to be practiced there with the God of the Bible the main God.

The majority of the Jewish population lived in ancient Babylon.

It was the home to most of the world’s Jews even in the time of Christ.

Today, the largest population of Jewish people is found in the United States.

Babylon was the critical factor of the world's economy where today it is America.

If the USA vanished today it would decimate the world’s economy and bankrupt every nation on earth, instantly.

The USA is the big promoter of international trade and promotes imports plus free trade.

Iraq plays no such role in the world economy.

These scriptures do not describe Iraq at the end time who is modern day Babylon.

It is America who has the Babylonian spirit for Babylon will never have physical dominion again which Iraq does not.

The top leaders of the Republicans and Democrats are actually working together which is the Hegel System which they set up 2 opposing forces and then they harmonize them together with a balance between them which they believe is a better system than either system alone and it brings the people together.

Which on the back of the dollar bill, Announcing the conception of a new order of the ages, and out of many, one.

America and Russia were working together the whole time as the 2 opposing forces of the Hegel System.

Which the one world government will be a balance between democracy and communism, and the unified religious system a balance between atheism and spirituality, the new age christianity which they believe they are going to evolve to be spiritual, and greater.

WW1, League of Nations, WW2, United Nations, a set up to get the nations governments to work for peace on earth.

The Ukraine war a set up to get the people of the world to be on board for a one world government.

As soon as Israel and Hamas started fighting the nations started spewing out threats, and warnings, dividing themselves choosing sides, as a scare tactic, and to set the stage for the New Age Christ to negotiate peace in the Middle East resulting in a peace treaty for the world.

North Korea and America, Taiwan and China, a set up, and any other conflicts a set up.

Controlled conflict brings about controlled change.

Alice Bailey the biggest prophet of the new age said there is an outer circle and inner circle of the occult and the inner circle is the true church.

She was married to a Freemason who agreed with her occult teachings and theosophy.

Pope Leo XIV claims to be a Jesuit which they are connected with Freemasonry and he is from America.

Since the Roman Empire does not lose her dominion until Jesus puts down the world the Pope and Vatican will embrace the new age interpretation of the Bible.

Giving support to the New Age Christ and influence in the world.
 
President Trump has done another U-Turn on Russia. He plans to give Ukraine to Russia in return for the same promises that Putin broke twice before. I find it hard to reconcile Mr Trump's attitude to Putin while he is an ardent supporter of Israel. The cynic in me says that there are no Ukrainian votes in America while the Jewish vote is significant. However, Mr Trump can't run for office again, so that also makes no sense.

This kind of appeasement is exactly what led to WW2. Far from being known as the champion of world peace, Mr Trump may just have set in motion the movement toward WW3. The only good news is that Ukraine is almost certain to reject the deal, as they should.

For all the good that Mr Trump has done, he is not infallible. He has proven susceptible to the undoubted charm and cleverness of Vladimir Putin. Only God can make America great again, as Psalm 146:3 tells us.
Ukraine isn't Trumps to give.
 
President Trump has done another U-Turn on Russia. He plans to give Ukraine to Russia in return for the same promises that Putin broke twice before. I find it hard to reconcile Mr Trump's attitude to Putin while he is an ardent supporter of Israel. The cynic in me says that there are no Ukrainian votes in America while the Jewish vote is significant. However, Mr Trump can't run for office again, so that also makes no sense.

This kind of appeasement is exactly what led to WW2. Far from being known as the champion of world peace, Mr Trump may just have set in motion the movement toward WW3. The only good news is that Ukraine is almost certain to reject the deal, as they should.

For all the good that Mr Trump has done, he is not infallible. He has proven susceptible to the undoubted charm and cleverness of Vladimir Putin. Only God can make America great again, as Psalm 146:3 tells us.

Ukraine has always been messed up. My grandparents escaped when kids for a reason.
Putin is horrible, but zelensky is as well. I trust putin more than zelensky.

Overall usa needs to stay out of it. It's not our war and we shouldn't be involved. Ukraine should have signed a peace treaty with Russia. That's on them.
 
They did, they gave the nukes back to Russia on the promise Russia would not invade.
 
Donald isn't suggesting that Ukraine be handed over to Russia; only territories that are already controlled by Russia. Zelensky has already rejected the proposal. What the Donald essentially wants Ukraine to do is say, okay, we admit we'll never get out territory back so here, Russia, you win. But everyone knows Russia won't stop there.
Did I miss your reply? I was asking (post #6) if you want the US to go to war with Russia concerning Ukraine?
 
Donald isn't suggesting that Ukraine be handed over to Russia; only territories that are already controlled by Russia. Zelensky has already rejected the proposal. What the Donald essentially wants Ukraine to do is say, okay, we admit we'll never get out territory back so here, Russia, you win. But everyone knows Russia won't stop there.
W E L L_S A I D.👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
 
Ukraine has always been messed up. My grandparents escaped when kids for a reason.
Putin is horrible, but zelensky is as well. I trust putin more than zelensky.

Overall usa needs to stay out of it. It's not our war and we shouldn't be involved. Ukraine should have signed a peace treaty with Russia. That's on them.
I agree that America should stay out of it. But Putin has lied continually. Ukraine is not the same place as it was when you grandparents lived there. No doubt Ukraine is no less messed up than America or any other Western nation.

How can you sign a peace deal with someone who vows to take your whole country? It would take Ukraine back to the bad old days of the USSR. Trust Putin? Zelensky did that and Putin invaded Ukraine, in spite of his assurances. Why would anyone trust Putin again?
 
Ukraine has always been messed up. My grandparents escaped when kids for a reason.
Putin is horrible, but zelensky is as well. I trust putin more than zelensky.

Overall usa needs to stay out of it. It's not our war and we shouldn't be involved. Ukraine should have signed a peace treaty with Russia. That's on them.

What you see is correct, but it does not feed the bottomless pit of the hungry military machine.
So what is reasonable is not what is done, and this happens over and over again.
 
What i don't understand is why is Trump meeting with Putin about Ukraine's land and not want Zelenskyy there, Seems like a LITTLE common sense would tell Trump that this is not a meeting of good faith.IMO, it will just be a waste of time.

I wonder if Trump supporters worry about how this is making Trump look weak when it comes to Vladimir Putin.

Because Ukraine is the showground where the two powers are throwing their weight around.
I mean really, do you have any intelligence about how the real world works?
 
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That's what the leaked F.S.B. files say anyway, That Kremlin intel. thinks China is waiting for us to wear them down another year or so before they invade.