That's confession, not repentance. To repent means to change your mind. If you believe the Gospel (consider it true and trustworthy) and then repent (change your thinking), you have changed your mind in the wrong direction.
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That's confession, not repentance. To repent means to change your mind. If you believe the Gospel (consider it true and trustworthy) and then repent (change your thinking), you have changed your mind in the wrong direction.
When it comes to being a word of salvation, the Gospel is for the alive spiritually who can hear it with spiritual ears.
I understand repentance as accepting the Holy Spirit's conviction, and the Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin and righteousness and judgment (John 16:8). Is this another instance where the world applies only to the elect?
I guess we see it a little differnt. I see confession as an in depth form of repentance. Repentance is asking for forgiveness of your sins. Confession is acknowledging a particular sin you have committed with a more in depth understanding of how and why you thought it was a sin.
Ex. Repentance "please forgive me for my sins"
Confession "today I chased after a woman with lust in my heart knowing it is not what you want from me"
Is essance repentance is what happens when you get on your knees that first time. Confession is what happens when you are further along in the salvation process.
To be fair to @Cameron143 I'm reposting this admission.
It is clear what much of his views are and where they come from. From my readings I've seen at least 3 of the 5 flower letters in his content.
cc: @HeIsHere @cv5 @Pilgrimshope and whoever may be interested.
They are in similar agreement with the first letter. Just differnt ways of saying the same thing. Other than that when I was looking for a church after about 3 years of reading for myself. That is the one that closet resembled what was forming in my mind. I did eventually settle on a non reformed baptist church.
Amen!
The explanation in your post is how I see it as well, and scriptural of course
..... I drew out this particular statement because I think it is so very important and true.There's a lot of confusion in the A vs. T views as I'm sure you know. A - All men being sinful is far from the T - total depravity corpse nonsense.
Thank you, yes I think it became evident with the statement "Jesus did not die for everyone's sins" or something along those lines.
There is another thread about how Baptist churches have been overtaken by Reformed doctrine and I noticed this about 20
years ago or so, and began to look into it, that is how I was slowly indoctrinated.
I found the shift can be found on the redefinition of faith as part of the gift in Ephesians 2:8
which is prohibited by the grammar of the verse but that did not stop them from pushing it through the seminaries.
Anyone who agrees that saving faith/initial faith in Christ Jesus is part of the gift, I think is within the Reformed doctrine.
It seems a lot of this change, over the years, can be attributed to John Piper and of course John MacArthur and probably others, who have had a profound impact on spreading parts of Reformed thinking across the the churches in North America.
Maybe they need to hear these verses. I think they make the order clear.
Matthew 21:32
For John came to you in the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the harlots believed him; and even when you saw it, you did not afterward repent and believe him.
Mark 1:15
and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent, and believe in the gospel.”
Yes one would think.
But if it does not fit "the system" there is usually some ready made answer for every and all objections.
This is an interesting one.
The grammar definitely favors the gift being the whole statement "saved by grace through faith" but this in itself does not preclude faith being a gift if this is clear in other Scriptures.
So, it becomes a bigger discussion than Eph2:8, which is why I like seeing what was being discussed a bit ago re: the various ways to translate pistis and pisteuō and just what is involved in Faith.
It's also why I was watching to see if the discussion would go into the fall and Dichotomy vs. Trichotomy in regard to the human spirit, what faculties fallen man has and doesn't have, and what constructs like "spiritual death" even mean and then if it has been pushed too far by some.
The canned answers are always a problem, especially when combined with a lack of ability and/or desire to actually get deep into Scripture in context and rather to turn to ad hominem and other such methods. Trying to work against it takes one captive to riding on the merry-go-round going in circles as these threads well prove.
And you were dead in the trespasses and sins. Eph. 2:1 ESV
God's Word is nonsense? Well, it is to those who are dead in trespasses and sins.
Sometimes, not always the actual Greek word is important.
It is not feeling sorry for sins.
Justin Martyr translated metanoia as paenitentia which came to mean penance or acts of penance that had to be done if one hoped to obtain grace.
In the 16th century, William Tyndale, when translating the Bible into English, chose the word "repent" to translate metanoia, aiming to capture the sense of turning away from sin and turning towards God, rather than the limited sense of "doing penance
(Gemini)
I think though it does not really capture the meaning of "metanoia" since in English there is no direct word for word translation.
Explain "dead" and all of what you think is in Paul's thinking when he wrote this.
If they are alive spiritually then they have first responded positively to the Gospel message as the personal requirement/condition set by God.
He chose sovereignly. The reason for the choice lies within God Himself.
Many say that God looked into the future, saw who would receive Him, and chose on this basis. That's an easy thing to believe. It fits well with many people's idea of who God is. And I would be inclined to believe this if it weren't for verses such as Romans 8:29 which speak not of what God foreknew, but whom He foreknew.
True repentance is a change of mind set because one can ask for it yes but unless there is a change in heart it is just words. a person who has surrendered themselves is one who has true repentance I can ask for forgiveness but I would not have done so without a change in my heart