To me repentance is asking for forgiveness of your sins.
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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To me repentance is asking for forgiveness of your sins.
Yes it is but would not a change of heart be needed to want to repent?
More of your conflation. But you deny it (dishonesty). However, we are not blind.
The Bible states that God "grants repentance" (Acts 11:18, 2 Timothy 2:25).
I see repent as more of an act in my mind. When you ask for forgiveness it is because you know those are the steps. If I am saying that right. You believe and accept Jesus as your lord and savior then you repent of your sins. True repentance is a step in the believing process. Even a non believer could ask for forgiveness a change of heart isint neccessary to ask something of someone. So repentance is just an early step in the process of salvation that starts with believing. This is sort of like a chicken or the egg problem here.
Repentance is not required. Only a winning ticket at the pre-birth lottery.
That's why they never talk about it. Actually they talk circles around it
Yeah belief of the gospel agreed
. But my point in asking you that was to try to understand what you do believe . I was actually asking because if someone wasn’t chosen tbey wouldn’t have The ability of belief .
so wouldn’t the actual necessaty be being chosen ? It was just a legitimate ask I wanted to see what your answer to it would be.
Can I rephrase juet as a generality ?
If someone isn’t chosen they aren’t capable of believing ? And if that’s so , then wouldn’t what’s needed to be saved be being chosen by god to be saved and he’s gonna do everything else?
From our perspective, we are making choices. From God's perspective, everything is going as planned.
Yes. Except deciding what colour of socks to wear or what to have for lunch has zero bearing on the eternal fate
of our soul. According to what Scripture very plainly says, man's will is not free. It is enslaved. Jesus sets us free.
have you ever noticed who it was that responded Jesus ? And who stayed away and murmured ?
“Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.
And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.”
Luke 15:1-2
“And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at meat in the Pharisee's house, brought an alabaster box of ointment, and stood at his feet behind him weeping, and began to wash his feet with tears, and did wipe them with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet, and anointed them with the ointment.
Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it, he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner.”
Luke 7:37-39
Why do you suppose the sinners flocked to Jesus message ? But the self righteous stayed away ?
That’s definately part of the process.
“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.”
1 John 1:9-10 NIV
If you want to really be moved by gods word into repentance study this type of thing a bit and pray about it ask the lord about it not first listen to Paul here to the church
“Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; and walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
Ephesians 5:1-7 KJV
Really consider that Paul has written this to the church to spir them to repentance and also that he repeatedly taught it in his writings
“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: ( all sinful deeds and actions ) of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
Galatians 5:19-21 KJV
This type of thing is meant to change our perception that sin is no big deal or that what we do doesn’t count or won’t matter in the end . Paul is exhorting us to repentance .
rhere are things we can’t change but his word can change our minds and hearts
Thanks for clarifying I’d never heard either term in 72 years lol
“it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.”
1 Corinthians 15:44
“I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.”
1 Corinthians 15:50 NIV
I do believe that before creation began that God chose to have a people for Himself. And those He has chosen will in their lifetimes hear the gospel and respond in faith. The Bible refers to them as wheat. There are also those who were sown by the evil one in the Lord's field. They are tares. They are indistinguishable from the wheat at this point. And that's why the gospel is shared throughout the world so that those who are wheat will hear it and respond in faith. The tares will not so respond.
That’s why Jesus came and preached the gospel
“I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
Luke 5:32 KJV
to grant repentance to believers
“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
Luke 13:3 KJV
But we often reject the truth
“In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.””
Acts 17:30-31 NIV
“Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right.”
Acts 10:34-35
“Let the wicked forsake their ways and the unrighteous their thoughts. Let them turn to the Lord, and he will have mercy on them, and to our God, for he will freely pardon.”
Isaiah 55:7 NIV
Jesus came to call us to repentance and offer us remission of sins to all who believe in his name
“He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.”
Luke 24:46-47 NIV
awe have to accept the gospel because it holds that message of repentance and remission of sins that’s the gift of god the gospel that’s where faith comes from repentance comes from salvation comes from its fo owned and fully sufficient to save
its gods work sent to all promising salvstion
i appreciate you answering
“I do believe that before creation began that God chose to have a people for Himself.”
ok based upon what ? I mean what did he chcoose them based upon ?
remember god has foreknowledge
Also did god choose israel to be his people at any point ? And did they have any choice in the outcome?
Maybe they need to hear these verses. I think they make the order clear.
Matthew 21:32
For John came to you in the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the harlots believed him; and even when you saw it, you did not afterward repent and believe him.
Mark 1:15
and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent, and believe in the gospel.”