Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Cameron143]

Once again, another cop out. You constantly refuse to explain anything in detail then wonder why people misunderstand what you are saying.

I have no problem explaining, but you choose to be rude and make insinuations. I never find a discussion with you edifying.
Grace and peace.

 

[sawdust]

@Pilgrimshope

I just realised it was Rufus' post that mucked up the quoting system. Sorry, I thought it was your post.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I think I failed math class haha. But Jesus number 1 command said to love God with all you heart-mind-soul. Matt-22-37 that's 3 parts no matter how you dice it.

Yeah amen !!what’s your point ? He says love god and love one another which is like the first commandment … I’m not sure what your point is but I agree Jesus said the greatest commandment is to love god with all we are

but also there’s this

“If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭4:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Pilgrimshope]

@Pilgrimshope

I just realised it was Rufus' post that mucked up the quoting system. Sorry, I thought it was your post.

Lol. No worries it happens to all of us sometimes I’ve done that too

 

[Cameron143]

mmhm tbey are wiser in thier own mind so they reject it believing it to be foolishness bit someone else might receive it as the power of god to save thier souls from impending doom because it doesn’t seem like foolishness to them they believe it they grab hold of the Hope set before them

The natural fallen man always finds the gospel to be foolishness until God changes his heart.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The natural fallen man always finds the gospel to be foolishness until God changes his heart.

I see…..

 

[Jackson129]

Yeah amen !!what’s your point ? He says love god and love one another which is like the first commandment … I’m not sure what your point is but I agree Jesus said the greatest commandment is to love god with all we are

but also there’s this

“If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭4:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I was referring to the question about dichotomy vs trichotomy. And how heart mind and soul are three different things and so support trichotomy. If nothing else today im learning how to spell random words lol

 

[studier]

I think I failed math class haha. But Jesus number 1 command said to love God with all you heart-mind-soul. Matt-22-37 that's 3 parts no matter how you dice it.

Good math, but the issue is body, spirit & soul vs. body & soul/spirit vs. body & soul (w/o spirit).

 

[Jackson129]

Good math, but the issue is body, spirit & soul vs. body & soul/spirit vs. body & soul (w/o spirit).

Maybe heart mind soul = spirit soul body you just have to find the connection. Even though I believe he was an athiest Freud said Id, ego and super ego. If you read about them they sound similar. A non believers words that match biblical terms.
Anyways just a random thought

 

[Cameron143]

He died for them in the sence to condemn all non believers to having no excuse and all believers to have a way to be reconciled. That is the whole world. That is everyone in it.

Man is guilty before God because of creation and conscience...Romans 1. Jesus didn't have to pay for their sins for them to be guilty before God. They were born under the condemnation of God. They fell in Adam.

 

[sawdust]

I have no problem explaining, but you choose to be rude and make insinuations. I never find a discussion with you edifying.
Grace and peace.

If you have no problem explaining then why don't you do it? Instead, you would rather blame me for your perceptions.

If (maybe you are, maybe you're not) you're sitting in a corner sulking because your feelings are hurt and I tell you to grow up and be a man? That is not being rude, that is being honest and truthful.

If you don't like it then stop responding before you start. I find my discussion with you quite frustrating because of your lack of transparency and constant misunderstanding of what I say even when I explain in detail. You don't deal with the topics straight, instead you jump off into side notes eg. I say the soul is given at birth and you jump off to abortion. I either ignore your question or I'm forced to explain about something that has no bearing on what I said except as some tangent that is not warranted.

I try to understand you and I have given you everything I can so you understand me but it seems it does not work. Only one thing left to do.

grace and peace.

 

[studier]

I was referring to the question about dichotomy vs trichotomy. And how heart mind and soul are three different things and so support trichotomy. If nothing else today im learning how to spell random words lol

Learning s/b fun! I enjoy it too.

Trichotomy & Dichotomy are theological words devised in the discussion of whether or not fallen man has a human spirit anymore. The discussion includes some different ways of considering the human spirit which is why I also listed soul/spirit.

 

[studier]

Maybe heart mind soul = spirit soul body you just have to find the connection. Even though I believe he was an athiest Freud said Id, ego and super ego. If you read about them they sound similar. A non believers words that match biblical terms.
Anyways just a random thought

You're tapping into the overall discussion of just how to classify and coordinate the human spirit with other parts and faculties of man.

 

[Jackson129]

Man is guilty before God because of creation and conscience...Romans 1. Jesus didn't have to pay for their sins for them to be guilty before God. They were born under the condemnation of God. They fell in Adam.

Im talking about the church age. That is what age Jesus death covers. The fullness of the Gentiles in my opinion is when we begin to approach the time when the gospel will be preached in every language and nation. So when you say no one has an excuse means everyone has heard.

 

[studier]

Maybe heart mind soul = spirit soul body you just have to find the connection. Even though I believe he was an athiest Freud said Id, ego and super ego. If you read about them they sound similar. A non believers words that match biblical terms.
Anyways just a random thought

Forgot to mention something about the last part of your post. I've found it very interesting that there does seem to be an "I" underlying discussions that relate to the spirit, soul, mind, heart, etc. I have to be focused on the study to best be picking it up. It could also be a rhetorical device.

 

[Genez]

You are correct that man is without excuse. I don't believe it is true that Jesus died for every single person who ever lived.

You sure have me confused there, fella!
I guess a young'in like you, never got to this part yet?

He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours ​

but also for the sins of the whole world." 1 John 2:2​

Why the heck ya think that John would want to lie about some'thin like that fer!?

I know! I know! .....​

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That Cameron guy will show us his spin, and ever'thin will be all fine and dandy!​

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So honor us, sir, with your wisdom.

He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours ​

but also for the sins of the whole world." ​

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.​

 

[sawdust]

Maybe heart mind soul = spirit soul body you just have to find the connection. Even though I believe he was an athiest Freud said Id, ego and super ego. If you read about them they sound similar. A non believers words that match biblical terms.
Anyways just a random thought

Functions of the soul:
Conciousness (of self)
Awareness (of others)
Mentality (thinking in all it's forms, ie, reason, imagination, problem solving)
Emotion
Volition
Conscience

To love the Lord with all your heart (hold Him in the place of what you value most), mind (in all your thinking with understanding) and all your soul (not my will but thine, with your emotions and holding the Word as the preeminent place in your life above all else)

ps. keep in mind our souls are created in the image and likeness of God so has a fuller capacity for life than say the soul of an animal.

 

[sawdust]

You sure have me confused there, fella!
I guess a young'in like you, never got to this part yet?

He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours ​

but also for the sins of the whole world." 1 John 2:2​

Why the heck ya think that John would want to lie about some'thin like that fer!?

I know! I know! .....​

​

That Cameron guy will show us his spin, and ever'thin will be all fine and dandy!​

​

So honor us, sir, with your wisdom.

He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours ​

but also for the sins of the whole world." ​

​

.​

Don't bother, they just tell you the "whole world" doesn't mean the "whole world". They never explain why it doesn't except maybe give some unrelated verse where world happens to be used in a limited sense.

 

[studier]

Don't bother, they just tell you the "whole world" doesn't mean the "whole world". They never explain why it doesn't except maybe give some unrelated verse where world happens to be used in a limited sense.

That adjective "whole' is interesting to try to explain around, to say nothing about "our [sins] only but also..."

cc: @Genez

 

[Cameron143]

Im talking about the church age. That is what age Jesus death covers. The fullness of the Gentiles in my opinion is when we begin to approach the time when the gospel will be preached in every language and nation. So when you say no one has an excuse means everyone has heard.

Jesus' death covers every believer of all ages. The fulness of the Gentiles is at the end of the church age. And people are without excuse because of creation and conscience...Romans 1:19-20.