Baptist is not Reformed

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John146

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Baptists (ana-Baptists) were never part of the reformed movement. Why are many Baptist churches being overtaken by Reformed Pastors?

1. Too many seminaries with Reformed views
2. True Baptist churches not doing their homework on hiring
3. Immature Baptist churches that don't know the difference nor care

I've also noticed when reformed Pastors take over Baptist churches, the "Baptist" is usually taken out of the title.

Any thoughts?
 
John146 said:
Baptists (ana-Baptists) were never part of the reformed movement. Why are many Baptist churches being overtaken by Reformed Pastors?

1. Too many seminaries with Reformed views
2. True Baptist churches not doing their homework on hiring
3. Immature Baptist churches that don't know the difference nor care

I've also noticed when reformed Pastors take over Baptist churches, the "Baptist" is usually taken out of the title.

Any thoughts?
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Can no longer know what is taught inside by the sign outside anymore.
There are very few true Baptist churches anymore.
 
John146 said:
Baptists (ana-Baptists) were never part of the reformed movement. Why are many Baptist churches being overtaken by Reformed Pastors?

1. Too many seminaries with Reformed views
2. True Baptist churches not doing their homework on hiring
3. Immature Baptist churches that don't know the difference nor care

I've also noticed when reformed Pastors take over Baptist churches, the "Baptist" is usually taken out of the title.

Any thoughts?
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Yes I have heard a few pastors address this, they call it "stealth Calvinism."

https://www.beyondthefundamentals.com/stealth_cal_01_a_playbook.html
(not endorsing, just for information purposes)

Very challenging in my immediate area to find a Baptist church that does not adhere to and teach Reformed doctrine once you step inside.
 
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Every day we see more and more of the old line churches changing their teaching, becoming very liberal, even adopting the wok agenda.
Baptist love to point this out, while ignoring what is happening within Baptize churches.
I am a life lone Baptist, but many who ware the name now, I will not associate with.
They are as much of the falling away and those they condemn.
 
Howdy said:
Every day we see more and more of the old line churches changing their teaching, becoming very liberal, even adopting the wok agenda.
Baptist love to point this out, while ignoring what is happening within Baptize churches.
I am a life lone Baptist, but many who ware the name now, I will not associate with.
They are as much of the falling away and those they condemn.
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Would you happen to share a statement of faith from your Baptist Church with me? From a website or somewhere else?
Here's one example here: Statement of Faith | Capitol Hill Baptist
I happen to agree with a lot of what the Baptist Church believes in and i wanted to ask for your thoughts on this.

Thank you.
 
Eli1 said:
Would you happen to share a statement of faith from your Baptist Church with me? From a website or somewhere else?
Here's one example here: Statement of Faith | Capitol Hill Baptist
I happen to agree with a lot of what the Baptist Church believes in and i wanted to ask for your thoughts on this.

Thank you.
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American Baptist Association.
Book store located in Texarkana Tex.
The website list all the churches in the association as well as other info.
There is no denominational headquarters.
Each church is independent and self governing, they just associate together.
There are some within this association I will not fellowship with.
 
Howdy said:
American Baptist Association.
Book store located in Texarkana Tex.
The website list all the churches in the association as well as other info.
There is no denominational headquarters.
Each church is independent and self governing, they just associate together.
There are some within this association I will not fellowship with.
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Is this the one: ABA | BELIEFS ?
I agree with almost everything there.
 
HeIsHere said:
Yes I have heard a few pastors address this, they call it "stealth Calvinism."

https://www.beyondthefundamentals.com/stealth_cal_01_a_playbook.html
(not endorsing, just for information purposes)

Very challenging in my immediate area to find a Baptist church that does not adhere to and teach Reformed doctrine once you step inside.
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An excerpt from the article:

Evangelism sounds wonderful. But the only reason that Calvinists “evangelize” is to convince other Christians that they are also Christian. Their lip-service to evangelism is for lateral legitimization only. They have an ornate cover story of needed to evangelize and even wanting to because they do not know who the elect are and the Gospel is “God’s ordained means of regeneration.” But Calvinists actually have no gospel. When they proclaim “the gospel,” it has the semblance of the Christian gospel: the death burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Cor. 15:1-4) and the power of God to salvation (Rom. 1:16). But “Gospel” means “good news.” In Calvinism, the death, burial and resurrection is not good news for those who are not “elect” (in the Augustinian sense). It’s also inconsequential information to the elect because their salvation was determined by “unconditional election” before the foundation of the world. The only good news in Calvinism is to find out that one has been “elected” (in the Augustinian sense). However, the discovery of one’s so-called “election” is NEVER mentioned in scripture as the message that constitutes “the gospel” or “the good news,” and what scripture puts forth as “the good news” (the death, burial, resurrection of Christ) isn’t good news at all to anyone. It’s just peripheral information.
 
Howdy said:
You got it.
No one is perfect!
Not referring to you, but to the ABA .
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Agreed.
Nobody is perfect but i'm happy to see original messages from the time of the Apostilles, survive to this day without too much distortion.
 
No wonder God prevents me from regularly attending any Baptist churches. I've tried several times over the years but something always happens to make me stop going to them.

God seems to like non-denominational churches for me.


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2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
No wonder God prevents me from regularly attending any Baptist churches. I've tried several times over the years but something always happens to make me stop going to them.

God seems to like non-denominational churches for me.


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Yes, it's getting harder and harder, but I have found a solid Baptist church that closely aligns itself with the original Baptist views (ana-Baptists, the remnant).
 
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John146 said:
An excerpt from the article:

Evangelism sounds wonderful. But the only reason that Calvinists “evangelize” is to convince other Christians that they are also Christian. Their lip-service to evangelism is for lateral legitimization only. They have an ornate cover story of needed to evangelize and even wanting to because they do not know who the elect are and the Gospel is “God’s ordained means of regeneration.” But Calvinists actually have no gospel. When they proclaim “the gospel,” it has the semblance of the Christian gospel: the death burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Cor. 15:1-4) and the power of God to salvation (Rom. 1:16). But “Gospel” means “good news.” In Calvinism, the death, burial and resurrection is not good news for those who are not “elect” (in the Augustinian sense). It’s also inconsequential information to the elect because their salvation was determined by “unconditional election” before the foundation of the world. The only good news in Calvinism is to find out that one has been “elected” (in the Augustinian sense). However, the discovery of one’s so-called “election” is NEVER mentioned in scripture as the message that constitutes “the gospel” or “the good news,” and what scripture puts forth as “the good news” (the death, burial, resurrection of Christ) isn’t good news at all to anyone. It’s just peripheral information.
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We see evidence of this doctrine here on CC, as well.
So I do believe there is truth to it.
As well, the author if I am correct was a former member of a Reformed Church.
 
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2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
No wonder God prevents me from regularly attending any Baptist churches. I've tried several times over the years but something always happens to make me stop going to them.

God seems to like non-denominational churches for me.


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Don't stop going to see a doctor because of the rise of bad doctors. Find a good one and go. Nor, should a doctor remove the title "Dr." from the name because of the rise of bad doctors. Blessings!
 
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