JtB was said to be filled with the Holy Spirit from his mother's womb.
Luke 1:15 for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He shall never take wine or
strong drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even from his mother’s womb.
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Luke 1:15 for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He shall never take wine or
strong drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even from his mother’s womb.
Heavenly birth is not the same as natural birth and when one is born again it does not function like fleshly birth where we are born into sin vs born into life.
I don't think many know that there is such a thing as maturity or even goals in the Christian Life.
Along the way I also through RBT's teaching, living out my own early growth, and observing others who were not getting solid teaching, came to recognize that many were living under discipline not being aware of it and not knowing the way out.
Many were living worldly lifestyles, professing Christ Titus1:16, having their church-oriented social lives and their once per week injection of "worshipping" singing songs and for many it was just a big singles & social entertainment club.
One on one or hearing this or that it seemed evident the reality was they were in turmoil and IMO under discipline with little renewing of mind and understanding to process them out of it. Many had no clue what 1John1 was or had been taught that it was some pre-salvation concept that they did once.
Amen and Amen!
Your posts are always filled with hope, a desire for good for all people, desiring that they seek out the one true God.
People can and do seek truth and this is Biblical.
People build doctrines out of singles lines in scripture and the writings were never meant to be treated that way,
This notion of "total inability" needs to be eradicated as extremely harmful to the body of Christ and for Christianity as a faith.
I believe his position is that a person will only not believe unless they receive direct divine, unique, intervention >>> regenerated first and then belief.
Belief will not occur unless it is preceded by regeneration.
It is truly amazing how often God speaks of His elect, and of His remnant, and of His chosen, and of His people, and of His saints....
Sort of makes you wonder, are they given such titles because they are favored in some way? If not, then why is it mentioned it so often?
Nah! If God only chose some, that would not be fair!
Sort of makes you wonder, are they given such titles because they are favored in some way? If not, then why is it mentioned it so often?
Nah! If God only chose some, that would not be fair!
Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ - John 3:3–7 (ESV)
Jesus makes that comparison.
@HeIsHere
Unfortunately men by nature dont seek the True God scripture says Rom 3:11
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Moreno wrote and I quote:
By Grace Alone (3) | godsonlygospel
Unfortunately men by nature dont seek the True God scripture says Rom 3:11
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Moreno wrote and I quote:
By Grace Alone (3) | godsonlygospel
After they left Egypt, they could no longer return. God brought them out of Egypt and led them by a cloud during the day and God gave them light at night (Ex 13:21).
1 Corinthians 10:1-6 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
They were "baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea" ... the cloud covered them before they reach the sea ... they could not go back.
Same with born again believers ... we cannot go back to the old sinful lifestyle ... we should read and study those things of which God would not have us ignorant.
1 Corinthians 10:
1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
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we blew past this point pages ago, brightfame52 ... all agree that God reaches out to mankind first ... through exhibiting His eternal power and Godhead in His creation ... through the Scriptures He has given us so that we may know Him ... through faithful believers who preach the gospel of Christ which is the power of God unto salvation to those who believe.
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"Later on I was told of Calvinism, and was asked if I believed it's doctrines. I found that I did, but had a big problem with the concept of Christ dying only for the elect, and not for every individual. Study followed, and I quickly became convinced that Christ indeed had laid down His life for the elect, those whom the Father had given Him."
Yes an unbiased objective source.
Thank you.
Thanks for the link to godsonlygospel. I will be reading through his teaching and thoughts.
Man is dead to God naturally, reaching out for a dead man is worthless.
Grace (enabling power, not inherent in fallen man, comes from God).
That grace power functions as a divine life support of an otherwise dead soul.
Grace temporarily injects "spiritual perspicacity" into that spiritually dead one,
taking up the slack because of lacking a human spirit, which then allows that dead one
to see and grasp what is needed to be known to make him aware of why he needs salvation.
Remember...
Without grace, there can be no salvation!
Grace is not simply God’s favor, as so many have been taught to believe.
But grace is divine enabling power!
Paul speaks of this provisional power when Paul discussed
how God's grace power was sufficient for Paul's weaknesses!
Right. One must firstly BELIEVE God's Word, then by an act of volition CHOOSE to drink the cup of betrothal aka apply the Blood to the door posts aka enter the straight gate aka eat of the Tree of Life.
Spiritually dead.
God can give a spiritual transfusion (grace of the Holy Spirit) to make that otherwise dead one to become
aware of what God wants to be made known.
More accurately inferior exegesis coupled with heaps of denial, deflection, monotonous sloganeering. Then smothered with a smokescreen of endlessly repetitive rabbit trail questions.